On record press statement by person who claims to be recipient of Hunter email--Joe involved

[tall73]

This is, at best, a side-issue.
Clutch your pearls all you want.
This doesn’t rise to the level that the elder Biden need do anything.

It is not a side issue if the Bidens were taking payments from China through this company.

Or do you mean that you accept that they were doing so, but you are alleging I have false outrage over such actions?

 

[SimplyMe]

We have no way to know if there is an ongoing investigation because of FBI policy.

And while we know the FBI had involved the laptop, likely in a money laundering scheme, we don't know who that involved.

The justice system was not set up to make election decisions. And it can take quite a while.

The issue to me is that now two people claiming to be business partners indicate problematic dealing, involving Joe Biden, or at least his name.

Joe's team has been reluctant to say they are not Hunter's emails.

The documents turned over to the committee may shed more light. But I am not sure it will matter much in the long run to the election. With a good amount of early voting most minds are already made up.

What it may, unfortunately mean, is ongoing investigations under a Biden or Trump administration.

Yes, a subpoena was issued by the grand jury and the FBI served it -- so the FBI turned the laptop over to the federal prosecutor who called the Grand Jury. Presumably, the prosecutor disclosed the information contained in the laptop to the Grand Jury looking for an indictment. My question is, where are those indictments? Indictments (charges against a person) are not secret -- if they have an indictment then they are allegedly ready to take the case to court.

Of course, it is now 10 months later, since the grand jury subpoenaed the laptop, so it seems odd that there have been no indictments. Granted, there are other reasons why the FBI might still be investigating. It just seems odd, since the Grand Jury subpoenaed the laptop, that they have not indicted anyone (and indictments would be public as the FBI would be looking to make arrests).

 

[SimplyMe]

Emails, people saying they are valid, matching up dates to know records etc. is presenting evidence that people have to make a decision about.

It might help if Joe said that the emails were not legitimate.

Except how would Joe know, as he was not someone copied on the emails? It seems like Joe has denied what he can so far, based on what it is alleged he may have done.

And, as I've mentioned in another post, the best way to create a disinformation campaign is to mix things in that are true. So, for example, say that Hunter's emails had been hacked; the hackers could easily then add in a couple of fake emails and, better yet, add a couple of lines into innocuous emails that now make them look corrupt. At that point -- particularly when there are thousands of emails -- they initially look like they are legitimate, preventing the target (or recipient of a given email) from outright saying they are fakes.

 

[Pommer]

It is not a side issue if the Bidens were taking payments from China through this company.

That “if” is carrying a lot of weight there.

 

[Triumvirate]

The drip, drip of this is obviously intentional.

Put out a report with little evidence, then get news coverage by it being downplayed due to little evidence. Then slowly drip out more evidence over time. You get multiple narratives in one, the media is bad, people disregard crimes by one party, etc. and then catch them in misrepresentations based on the initial flimsy data.

That may also be partly why the Biden campaign is not responding.

It could also be one drip because it's a nothingburger. And given the incredibly dicey circumstances in which this information was apparently obtained, and given that this is basically BUT HER EMAILS v2.0 - there is not really much to respond to here. Without some very solid verification, which currently hasn't been done, there is nothing to be gained from responding to what looks like obvious misinformation.

 

[7thKeeper]

It could also be one drip because it's a nothingburger. And given the incredibly dicey circumstances in which this information was apparently obtained, and given that this is basically BUT HER EMAILS v2.0 - there is not really much to respond to here. Without some very solid verification, which currently hasn't been done, there is nothing to be gained from responding to what looks like obvious misinformation.

Don't worry, I'm sure Rudy Giuliani is on it right now. I just saw a picture of him in an interview with a female reporter and it looked like he was fishing some hard verification out of his pants.

 

[Triumvirate]

Don't worry, I'm sure Rudy Giuliani is on it right now. I just saw a picture of him in an interview with a female reporter and it looked like he was fishing some hard verification out of his pants.

After a long, arduous day I too like to repeatedly tuck in my shirt

(though in private, obviously, I'm not a degenerate)

 

[rambot]

As a sidebar, I'm wondering, even if these payments were being made, in what kinda ways have the chinese benefited from a relationship with Biden that they would not have otherwise had?

If I think about Russia, all I can think about is how much their foreign policy has had significant improvements by each of Trump's actions. Like, really weird consider America's history with Russia.

 

[tall73]

Yes, a subpoena was issued by the grand jury and the FBI served it -- so the FBI turned the laptop over to the federal prosecutor who called the Grand Jury. Presumably, the prosecutor disclosed the information contained in the laptop to the Grand Jury looking for an indictment. My question is, where are those indictments? Indictments (charges against a person) are not secret -- if they have an indictment then they are allegedly ready to take the case to court.

Of course, it is now 10 months later, since the grand jury subpoenaed the laptop, so it seems odd that there have been no indictments. Granted, there are other reasons why the FBI might still be investigating. It just seems odd, since the Grand Jury subpoenaed the laptop, that they have not indicted anyone (and indictments would be public as the FBI would be looking to make arrests).

There may have been indictments. But if we don't know everyone involved we would have no idea.

One of Hunter's business associates is already in jail, and recently turned over his emails.

 

[Tanj]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/10/22/08/34433482-8866713-image-a-65_1603351101279.jpg

An empty shell company from DE that has never been used.
An email domain (nazent.com) that doesn't exist.
A person (Tony Bobulinksi) who's only net presence apart from this thing is a court case
An Affadavit in which Tony spends the entire 3rd paragraph letting people know what his relatives do for a living, in which he swears to the precise contents of an email he received years ago.
An email found on a laptop (I dare anyone here to go onto their laptop hard drive (not their email client) and find a 2 year old email).
Someone who, we are finding out for the very first time, calls his father "the big guy" and "my chairman".

This whole thing is a crock of half baked nonsense being drip fed 2 weeks before the election because Emails! Investigation! worked for your unimaginator-in-chief 4 years ago so he reckons it will work for him now.

 

[tall73]

Except how would Joe know, as he was not someone copied on the emails? It seems like Joe has denied what he can so far, based on what it is alleged he may have done.

He could ask Hunter.
He could ask his grand daughter about the alleged text message.
Or he was completely up to date because Hunter was giving a portion to him as some of the information alleges.

And, as I've mentioned in another post, the best way to create a disinformation campaign is to mix things in that are true. So, for example, say that Hunter's emails had been hacked; the hackers could easily then add in a couple of fake emails and, better yet, add a couple of lines into innocuous emails that now make them look corrupt. At that point -- particularly when there are thousands of emails -- they initially look like they are legitimate, preventing the target (or recipient of a given email) from outright saying they are fakes.

You mentioned that before. But you didn't address Fox news verifying that a person copied verified it was legitimate. And you didn't discuss the now on record person who is pictured as on the email saying it is verified.

 

[keith99]

Except how would Joe know, as he was not someone copied on the emails? It seems like Joe has denied what he can so far, based on what it is alleged he may have done.

And if he denied any more than he has the same people who are now asking why he has not denied it would be saying that his denials show he has some inside information about it.

The the Trumpanzees fling their filth at an empty room.

 

[tall73]

An empty shell company from DE that has never been used.
An email domain (nazent.com) that doesn't exist.
A person (Tony Bobulinksi) who's only net presence apart from this thing is a court case
An Affadavit in which Tony spends the entire 3rd paragraph letting people know what his relatives do for a living, in which he swears to the precise contents of an email he received years ago.
An email found on a laptop (I dare anyone here to go onto their laptop hard drive (not their email client) and find a 2 year old email).
Someone who, we are finding out for the very first time, calls his father "the big guy" and "my chairman".

This whole thing is a crock of half baked nonsense being drip fed 2 weeks before the election because Emails! Investigation! worked for your unimaginator-in-chief 4 years ago so he reckons it will work for him now.

It would be a lot more impactful if Joe said the emails were not legitimate.

So far the information is matching up with what is known, and there are two people making a claim.

So please be clear what you are claiming. Is this Tony guy non-existent? Or is he just lying?

Are the photos of Hunter fabricated?

Is the former associate of Hunter who is in jail and claiming he is a fall guy for Hunter real?

 

[tall73]

That “if” is carrying a lot of weight there.

Of course. Just like "if" Trump paid off an adult star, when it looked like he did. And then we found out he did.

Your solution appears to be to ignore the possibility. But the more people coming forward the harder it is to ignore.

 

[Triumvirate]

Of course. Just like "if" Trump paid off an adult star, when it looked like he did. And then we found out he did.

Your solution appears to be to ignore the possibility. But the more people coming forward the harder it is to ignore.

Boy you sure are making a compelling case not to vote for Hunter Biden for President

Such massive importance

 

[tall73]

It could also be one drip because it's a nothingburger. And given the incredibly dicey circumstances in which this information was apparently obtained, and given that this is basically BUT HER EMAILS v2.0 - there is not really much to respond to here. Without some very solid verification, which currently hasn't been done, there is nothing to be gained from responding to what looks like obvious misinformation.

Yeah, I am pretty sure it is not that hard to say they are not real emails if they are not real emails.

If someone made fake emails and claimed I was doing these things, I would sure say it was not true. They still have the burden of proof in the end. But this is about perception.

 

[Tanj]

It would be a lot more impactful if Joe said the emails were not legitimate.

No it wouldn't. He is neither the sender nor receiver of this 2 year old email. How could he possibly with any certainty confirm or deny it's existence?

So far the information is matching up with what is known

No, really? An affadavit written by a 5 year old matches other bogus nonsense? Say it isn't so!

So please be clear what you are claiming. Is this Tony guy non-existent? Or is he just lying?

Yes.

Are the photos of Hunter fabricated?

HOW ARE THEY RELEVANT?????? They have nothing to do with Joe Biden or his run for presidency.

Is the former associate of Hunter who is in jail and claiming he is a fall guy for Hunter real?

What's he in jail for? Oh, right, fraud. On indigenous peoples. Yeah, there's a convincing witness.

 

[Triumvirate]

Yeah, I am pretty sure it is not that hard to say they are not real emails if they are not real emails.

If someone made fake emails and claimed I was doing these things, I would sure say it was not true. They still have the burden of proof in the end. But this is about perception.

Alternatively, the best thing you can do with obvious misinformation is ignore it and talk about something else.

I mean, come on, BUT HER EMAILS 2.0? Are y'all so incompetent you couldn't make something else up?

 

[tall73]

Boy you sure are making a compelling case not to vote for Hunter Biden for President

Such massive importance

The allegation is that Joe is involved, not just Hunter.

This is not about the election to my thinking, because I think it will not make a huge impact on that. I am not voting for either and am voting third party.

But this likely isn't going away after the election. And if there is a connection to various nations we need to know that, just as we need to know it with Trump.

 

[Pommer]

Of course. Just like "if" Trump paid off an adult star, when it looked like he did. And then we found out he did.

Your solution appears to be to ignore the possibility. But the more people coming forward the harder it is to ignore.

I already voted for Biden/Harris so this all is so much fluff for me.