Is the Pope Catholic....?

[Inkfingers]

Not any more, seeing as he is promoting mortal sin by equating homosexual couples with actual family...

"Homosexual people have the right to be in a family.... What we have to have is a civil union law; that way they are legally covered." Pope Francis endorses same-sex civil unions for the first time as pontiff

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

This makes no sense per Catholic theology and for the Pope to encourage civil unions in the way cynical lay Catholics did back when Homosexuality was up for debate is almost unfathomable to me. Are even Church leaders going to use the faulty logic of "while I'm personally against it, in the civil space I am for it." How far does the Pope want to go? It's insanity.

You cannot advocate two contradictory positions and now we see clearly in what direction Francis would take the Catholic Church, acceptance and embracing of homosexuality.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

There are many, many more activities listed in the Bible as sinful. Why are the self-appointed (as opposed to God) judges not criticizing that behavior?

We didn't self-appoint ourselves in condemning homosexuality. God did. You either accept that judgement or you don't.

 

[Inkfingers]

[STAFF EDITED DELETED QUOTE]

It's not the loving.

It's the acts that are shameful. Romans 1:26-27

 

[Leaf473]

Not any more, seeing as he is promoting mortal sin by equating homosexual couples with actual family...

"Homosexual people have the right to be in a family.... What we have to have is a civil union law; that way they are legally covered." Pope Francis endorses same-sex civil unions for the first time as pontiff

Not any more, seeing as he is promoting mortal sin by equating homosexual couples with actual family...

"Homosexual people have the right to be in a family.... What we have to have is a civil union law; that way they are legally covered." Pope Francis endorses same-sex civil unions for the first time as pontiff

As I understand the situation, some of those who self-identify as Catholics say there has not been a pope for many decades, since Vatican 2 or some other time.

I think the Catholic position is that only the church can properly interpret scriptures, and that the church operating as a whole cannot be in error.

I think in practice that comes down to if there is a consensus among the bishops and elders of the church that Francis is the Pope, then he is, as far as the Catholic church is concerned.

 

[dzheremi]

As if everyone didn't see this coming from 500 miles away. (Technically, 6000+ miles away from me, but you get my point.)

Luckily, these Popes are still Catholic

It's a shame about Pope Francis, though. I knew something was off several years ago when after his election, an atheist friend of mine who happened to work at a local Catholic private school (not doing anything religion-related; just watching over their afterschool program) excitedly asked me when I thought Pope Francis would legalize gay marriage in the RCC. At the time I said "Never", because I know what past Roman Popes have said about this issue, but it appears my friend was more right than I was. Lord have mercy.

 

[NerdGirl]

I just want to say that there can be inappropriate types of love, not just actions.

 

[( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

Here's one for y'all to try on for size. You tell me which ones of these the 'catholic' church falls into.

"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer."

 

[Jipsah]

What do those who oppose same-gender loving relationships actually oppose? Is there something wrong with two people of the same gender loving each other? (Love your neighbor as yourself!)

Are we to equate sexual behavior with "love"? Dang, there's a whole lotta "love" to be had in sleazie parts of town, isn't there?

Do people really go around spying on the behavior of others, particularly in the intimacy of their own home? Do they also spy on non-LGBTQ people?

Good defense of the zeitgeist there. Call me crazy, but I think love is actually different from sexual atraction. "Love" as used in the Bible doesn't seem to be directly linked to the desire to do the horizontal bop with someone.

There are many, many more activities listed in the Bible as sinful. Why are the self-appointed (as opposed to God) judges not criticizing that behavior?

Because it's always a lot more fun trying to yank splinters out of other people's eyes. But just deciding that other guys sins aren't necessarily worse than mine doesn't justify just deciding that sin doesn't matter any more.

Again, we are directed to love God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength and to love our neighbors as ourselves.

we're not going to legislate anyone into the Kingdom of God, but we're not doing anyone any favors by letting on like sin (either mine or theirs) is OK.

 

[pescador]

Are we to equate sexual behavior with "love"? Dang, there's a whole lotta "love" to be had in sleazie parts of town, isn't there?


Good defense of the zeitgeist there. Call me crazy, but I think love is actually different from sexual atraction. "Love" as used in the Bible doesn't seem to be directly linked to the desire to do the horizontal bop with someone.

Because it's always a lot more fun trying to yank splinters out of other people's eyes. But just deciding that other guys sins aren't necessarily worse than mine doesn't justify just deciding that sin doesn't matter any more.

we're not going to legislate anyone into the Kingdom of God, but we're not doing anyone any favors by letting on like sin (either mine or theirs) is OK.

It's interesting that you and others ignore the multitude of sins that Paul wrote about in Romans, such as "envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice... gossip, slander, God-hating, insolence, arrogance and boasting ...ways of doing evil; disobeying their parents; no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy" [edited for punctuation] and focus on the one sin ad nauseum.

At least the Pope is more enlightened than his legalistic, judgmental critics.

I'm intentionally ignoring tragic statements such as "Are we to equate sexual behavior with "love"? and "Dang, there's a whole lotta "love" to be had in sleazie parts of town, isn't there?" and such terms as "do the horizontal bop" (really??)

Is this where your faith leads you?? Or is this part of the canon of the Anglican church??

Finally, there is one thing that we can agree upon: "I think love is actually different from sexual atraction [sic]".

 

[dzheremi]

It's interesting that you and others ignore the multitude of sins that Paul wrote about in Romans, such as "envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice... gossip, slander, God-hating, insolence, arrogance and boasting ...ways of doing evil; disobeying their parents; no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy" [edited for punctuation] and focus on the one sin ad nauseum.

Couldn't it just as forcefully be argued that this is "the one sin" that the world itself focuses on ad nauseum? I don't recall ever seeing any murder(er) pride parades, gossip pride parades, slander pride parades, etc.

 

[pescador]

Couldn't it just as forcefully be argued that this is "the one sin" that the world itself focuses on ad nauseum? I don't recall ever seeing any murder(er) pride parades, gossip pride parades, slander pride parades, etc.

Yes, it is the one sin that the world(?) focuses on ad nauseum, even though that is a huge exaggeration. I'm sick of hearing about it!!

 

[Basil the Great]

The Pope is still Catholic, unless or until he is excommunicated, and such an event is extremely unlikely.

 

[dzheremi]

Yes, it is the one sin that the world(?)

You know...the world:

focuses on ad nauseum, even though that is a huge exaggeration.

Is it, though? Is it really?

globalpride2020.org claims that 57+ million people around the world participated in the first global pride event back in July, including partners they list like Baltic Pride Latvia, Russian anti-Christian 'punk' darlings P-Riot, and various political elites like U.S. presidential candidate Joe Biden, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Crown Princess Mary of Denmark, and others.

Sure seems like a lot of the world (or at least the western world...though they do include a "thank you" in Turkish on their website...I guess including a shnorhakalut’yun, shlomo, efcharistó, or spas dikim together with that might be the wrong kind of solidarity and/or resistance) is focused on this for something that's supposedly "a huge exaggeration", and considering that this is just one day out of several other days (or weeks) that the LGBT coalition can claim as their own (though to be fair, most of these are strictly U.S.-focused), just looking at the one internationally-focused day doesn't even paint a full picture of how much time, money, and calendar space is devoted to this "huge exaggeration".

I'm sick of hearing about it!!

That makes two of us, then.

 

[ralfyman]

It's always been a difficult aspect for Christians, i.e., to condemn but also love "the least of my brethren."

 

[pescador]

It's always been a difficult aspect for Christians, i.e., to condemn but also love "the least of my brethren."

Where does it say that Christians are to condemn anyone? We're supposed to love our neighbor as ourselves; condemnation is up to God.

 

[lismore]

You cannot advocate two contradictory positions

"We don't 'pray to Mary' we 'ask Mary to pray for us' "

Contradictory positions sometimes seem to work quite well

 

[pescador]

"We don't 'pray to Mary' we 'ask Mary to pray for us' "

Contradictory positions sometimes seem to work quite well

Oh! There's a real (technical) difference there! You don't 'pray to Mary'? What is prayer but asking?

 

[lismore]

Oh! There's a real (technical) difference there! You don't 'pray to Mary'? What is prayer but asking?

Well we're outside the box and we can see that. But ask a Catholic......................

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I think in practice that comes down to if there is a consensus among the bishops and elders of the church that Francis is the Pope, then he is, as far as the Catholic church is concerned.

I was thinking the same thing.