Any scriptural evidence that evangelized Gentiles are to keep the Sabbath?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Such wording would have shifted the focus from Shabbat being a gift that a man can take a rest into something for the people (not the individual). The question whether the Shabbat was a law for gentiles was not at stake at the occasion when Jesus said so.

I disagree. He said it was made for man (Adam). He was specific. He could have said for us (Jews), for you (Jews), Israel, etc...You are picking and choosing what fits your narrative. Because he also said marriage was from the beginning...

 

[Bob S]

it is all Torah...why are you trying to separate Yeshua from Torah? Again, if you steal from your neighbor you do NOT love them...why is that so hard for you to understand?

I completely understand that anything wrong we do to anyone is not loving them, but that doesn't change the fact that the ten do not tell us to love. I can keep from stealing from someone out of fear or because of duty

Is it so hard to SEE with your own eyes that there is not one word in the ten telling us to love. The word is not used. Thou shalt nots do not equal love.

 

[clefty]

Never the less there are no words in the ten that tells us to love.

or to breathe...eat...digest that food...

some things are understood as the MANUFACTURER DEFAULT SETTINGS and FACTORY INSTALLED...even done by those NOT at Sinai...imagine that...

it is understood (in Faith by those drawn by the Father) DO these things and we will LIVE...and not just in this life...is WHY we love and are grateful for what He provided for His own...and not of our own doing...

to fall into REAL LOVE...it's like in our biology...being reborn...or nature...dead to our old selves alive in Him...in our instinct now...circumcised heart Christlike "inner Jew" mind...almost a habit...

Loving Him is like we were MADE IN HIS IMAGE or something...

Even the command about parents tells us to honor our parents, but it doesn't say to love them.

you are so right and sound exactly like someone NOT IN LOVE...

Everyone of the ten can be done out of fear or duty.

yup...NOT in love are you...I have known teenagers desperate to rearrange their work schedule to BE WITH the one they love...ALL DAY...DOING WHAT THE OTHER WANTED...not a burden...lol

ok ok...but yes...they however were in LOVE...ya dig?

As to the Ten being His character, that is a very short sided description of God.

said by one NOT keeping them...or IN LOVE...I myself have thrilled to see just the shoe of my lover...or the toy of my child...or even the rod of discipline NOT spared by my father...

You go on vacation based on the brochure? You expect it to contain the whole experience?

Your NOT keeping the Law is like judging ANYTHING without actually trying it...

Even in a secular relationship revelation is progressive...understanding with experience and appreciation with TIME...remember your first love? what day did was agreed upon to meet...did you show up the next day? "Oh it don't matter...every day is fine...any day too..."

about Love...here's a hint:

Rev2:3 Without growing weary, you have persevered and endured many things for the sake of My name. 4But I have this against you: You have abandoned your first love. 5Therefore, keep in mind how far you have fallen. Repent and perform the deeds you did at first. But if you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.…

Happily this church did NOT counterfeit His love...but hated the works of Nicolaitans those idolaters who also rationalized "His Way is NOT enough...or NOT for Me"

 

[klutedavid]

yet it is still Torah...love your neighbor

Love your neighbor is not one of the ten commandments?

 

[klutedavid]

He preached and was sent to Jews. However, just as in Judaism at the time, gentiles could enter into covenant. There were ger toshav and ger tzedek as well as a court of the gentiles in the Temple.

The Gentiles by birth are not the chosen people of Israel. Jews were descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Even if a Gentile lives in Israel and converts to the God of Israel. That Gentile does not have full citizenship, cannot enter the temple.

A Gentile convert was restricted to the court of the Gentiles. Gentiles cannot ever become a Levite priest. Gentiles are never considered to be under the law of Moses. God gave the law to Israel and to no other nation.

Exodus 19:6
And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel.

YHWH was not speaking to the Gentile nations.

The law was the federal law of the nation of Israel.

 

[klutedavid]

it was written later, it was oral law...it is still Torah

Can you support from scripture the concept of oral law before Exodus? Obviously, you need to ignore the commandments given to Noah and Abraham.

 

[klutedavid]

I think all of Gods laws should be taken literally ... I mean after all He did write them down on tablets of stone with His own finger.

The laws that God wrote on the tablets was immensely expanded by Jesus. Please refer to Matthew 5 for the upgrade to the law.

Matthew 5:21-22
“You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

Well does that look like 'thou shall not murder'?

Certainly not.

You cannot say that someone is under the ten commandment.
Because Jesus enlarged the law beyond recognition in Matthew 5. It would be dishonest to tell someone that they need to obey the ten commandments.

 

[eleos1954]

The laws that God wrote on the tablets was immensely expanded by Jesus. Please refer to Matthew 5 for the upgrade to the law.

Matthew 5:21-22
“You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

Well does that look like 'thou shall not murder'?

Certainly not.

You cannot say that someone is under the ten commandment.
Because Jesus enlarged the law beyond recognition in Matthew 5. It would be dishonest to tell someone that they need to obey the ten commandments.

Jesus taught from the OT .... everything Jesus taught (in much more detail) relates back to the 10 one way or another.

Our relationship with God (1 thru 4) ... our relationship with each other (5-10)

Because Jesus enlarged the law beyond recognition in Matthew 5.

Yes, thanks for making my point .... Jesus magnified the law (the 10) gave us much much more detail about the law.

 

[klutedavid]

And this is where your argument falls to pieces. How is Exodus 20:2 alone in your view listed as a commandment when it is clearly not a commandment ? - Exodus 20:2 alone is clearly not a commandment so why have you listed it as one of God's 10 commandments? As posted earlier you have provided no evidence to claim that Exodus 20:2 is a commandment because it simply reads...

Exodus 20:2 I am the Lord your God. BTW there are no numbered verses or chapters in any of the Hebrew or Greek scrolls. These were added in by the translators. Therefore my argument is about content not numbers. I am only using the verse numbers to point to the Spoken and written Word of God to point out within the content what are God's commandments found in Exodus 20:2-17 which is the spoken Word of God. It is also this same content (not numbers) that also clearly state that there are ten commandments in Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13 and Deuteronomy 10:4. This is also shown in the Hebrew word meanings used. My evidence is in scripture content. Where is your evidence? You have not provided any and neither can you claim that Exodus 20:2 is a commandment because it is not one. Is it the spoken Word of God? Sure is. Is it a commandment to do anything? - Nope! The commandments in the spoken and written Word of God in Exodus 20:2-17 are found in the scripture content of Exodus 20 here.

1. I am the Lord your God. You shall have no other gods before me. v2-3
2. You shall not make to you any graven image or bow down to them... v4-6
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain v7
4. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy... v8-11
5. Honor your father and your mother v12
6. You shall not kill v13
7. You shall not steal v14
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor v15
9. You shall not steal v16
10. You shall not covet... v17

As posted earlier my conversation with you has never been about numbers but scripture content. For some reason you choose not to see this. Yet they are God's Word not mine. Tell me which one of the scriptures being referred to above are not a commandment from God? You cannot answer me can you. Yet these are God's Words not mine. Yet you cannot disagree with me that Exodus 20:2 is not a commandment therefore you have no claim to it being one and no evidence that it is a commandment.

Something to pray about.

What?

1. I am the Lord your God. You shall have no other gods before me. v2-3
2. You shall not make to you any graven image or bow down to them... v4-6
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain v7
4. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy... v8-11
5. Honor your father and your mother v12
6. You shall not kill v13
7. You shall not steal v14
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor v15
9. You shall not steal v16
10. You shall not covet... v17

Talk about misleading the general public.

You have completely failed to declare the ten commandments.

You omitted the law against adultery.

Exodus 20:14
You shall not commit adultery.

To even print that text (Exodus 20:14) would be a serious error in itself. Because Jesus greatly added to that commandment.

Matthew 5:27-28
You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Use the upgrade and no longer print from Exodus 20, it is misleading to do so.

 

[klutedavid]

Jesus taught from the OT .... everything Jesus taught (in much more detail) relates back to the 10 one way or another.

Our relationship with God (1 thru 4) ... our relationship with each other (5-10)



Yes, thanks for making my point .... Jesus magnified the law (the 10) gave us much much more detail about the law.

You omitted the following.

Matthew 5:31-32
“It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Is that a commandment?

Will you obey Jesus?

Sure looks like Jesus rewrote the law.

 

[clefty]

Is it so hard to SEE with your own eyes that there is not one word in the ten telling us to love. The word is not used. Thou shalt nots do not equal love.

It was NOT written "thou shalt not" look up how Young's translation has it at: "thou dost not"...

closer to the original DESCRIPTION of a people which are His...MADE IN HIS IMAGE

and WHY dost we STILL not even now? Because we love Him and what He did for us...

The Law is not a rule book on how to earn or get the reward inheritance Promise but like an owner's manual to maintain and maximize your reward:

NOW that you finally realize you are Yah's bought with a price...you dost NOT want OTHER gods...
NOW that you have the One true IMAGE of God you DOST NOT make another and DOST NOT worship it or the True One another way
Now that you know Yah's name you DOST USE IT and not for naught
Now that you understand He is your Father thou dost honor
Now that you are His you dost not want to kill, commit adultery, steal, lie, covet because thou DOST not have corrupted or counterfeit SETTINGS your INSIDE IS RESET circumcised heart Christlike "inner Jew" mind...

Oh and thou DOST rest on the seventh day He made Holy after every six days of work...as He did...AND BECAUSE He did after making ALL for you...and made you to do so also...to DOST do AS He does...

I play tennis and not even that rule book says THOU SHALT LOVE TENNIS...lol

because some days it's hard to...lol...

 

[clefty]

You omitted the following.

Matthew 5:31-32
“It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Is that a commandment?

Will you obey Jesus?

Sure looks like Jesus rewrote the law.

Actually He RESTORED the original so what Yah joins together let no man separate...including Jews and Greeks He joined into a citizen of Israel...you know Israel at the time of Sinai was already full of those NOT of Jacob but ALSO receiving the living oracles from their Head...Husband...and saying "I DO"

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I completely understand that anything wrong we do to anyone is not loving them, but that doesn't change the fact that the ten do not tell us to love. I can keep from stealing from someone out of fear or because of duty

Is it so hard to SEE with your own eyes that there is not one word in the ten telling us to love. The word is not used. Thou shalt nots do not equal love.

God is love and He wrote them...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Love your neighbor is not one of the ten commandments?

Sure it is, it is the summation of the last 6...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Can you support from scripture the concept of oral law before Exodus? Obviously, you need to ignore the commandments given to Noah and Abraham.

God walked with...you don't think they spoke?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Exodus 20:14
You shall not commit adultery.

Thanks "You shall not steal" was written in the last post 2x. It was not intentional as God is my judge not you and it has been corrected. The rest of your post is irrelevant. The upgrades in Matthew 5 only magnifies what is written in God's 10 commandment, it does not make them less relevant.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The Gentiles by birth are not the chosen people of Israel. Jews were descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Even if a Gentile lives in Israel and converts to the God of Israel. That Gentile does not have full citizenship, cannot enter the temple.

A Gentile convert was restricted to the court of the Gentiles. Gentiles cannot ever become a Levite priest. Gentiles are never considered to be under the law of Moses. God gave the law to Israel and to no other nation.

Exodus 19:6
And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel.

YHWH was not speaking to the Gentile nations.

The law was the federal law of the nation of Israel.

The law is for the native born as well as the resident alien. Converts (Ger toshav and later Ger tzedek) would take on Torah in stages. It is a choice for the Ger. Also remember, there was a mixed multitude at Sinai. Yeshua even had converts in His background...

 

[eleos1954]

You omitted the following.

Matthew 5:31-32
“It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Is that a commandment?

Will you obey Jesus?

Sure looks like Jesus rewrote the law.

Thou shalt not commit adultery ... magnifying commandment 6 ... not doing away with it.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You omitted the following.

Matthew 5:31-32
“It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Is that a commandment?

Will you obey Jesus?

Sure looks like Jesus rewrote the law.

He did not re-write them since it was still based on the original. He just gave it a more stricter definition

 

[klutedavid]

God walked with...you don't think they spoke?

You will either support what you claimed about oral or not. I suspect you cannot support your theology with scripture.