Are Devoted Christians Leaving the local Church?

[Albion]

There are no verses saying women shouldn't work

No verses saying a woman cannot leave her parents home even if still single

no verses saying women can't study

no verses saying celibacy is wrong. Being a wife and mother is the highest calling for a woman but one isn't sinning by refusing it

God doesn't consider me a winner for not having desires for a p partner and c hildren. He knows am not suited to those roles because He made me

There were quite a few examples used in those posts, so I won't comment on each one. But, in short, some have no real Scriptural basis (as you said) but others do, and among the ones that are in the latter category, the evidence is fairly strong for some of them while with others it is not.

To summarily dismiss them all (and others that could be mentioned) as "manmade," or something like that, is wrong. We often witness it being done, however.

 

[Junia]

Sorry but the Quiverfull movement, although it is not bad or wrong per as is not a mandate for women to live by. I never wanted to be a mother. Please show me @Albion where in the Bible I am sinning against God by wanting a career and my own home with pets instead of children??

 

[Junia]

There were quite a few examples used in those posts, so I won't comment on each one. But, in short, some have no real Scriptural basis (as you said) but others do, and among the ones that are in the latter category, the evidence is fairly strong for some of them while with others it is not.

My point was to summarily dismiss them all (and others that could be mentioned) as "manmade," or something like that, is wrong. We often witness it being done, however.

So all women have to be wives and mothers then??? Even if that is true it isn't a salvation issue. Therefore it not a big deal...

 

[Junia]

There were quite a few examples used in those posts, so I won't comment on each one. But, in short, some have no real Scriptural basis (as you said) but others do, and among the ones that are in the latter category, the evidence is fairly strong for some of them while with others it is not.

To summarily dismiss them all (and others that could be mentioned) as "manmade," or something like that, is wrong. We often witness it being done, however.

Sorry but I have never wanted children and would not be a good mother.. If God has an issue with that then am sorry but Jesus blood covers all my sins so I will be forgiven for using birth control when I marry

 

[Albion]

You'll have to address what I actually wrote if you want a reply.

 

[Junia]

Sorry but I have never wanted children and would not be a good mother.. If God has an issue with that then am sorry but Jesus blood covers all my sins so I will be forgiven for using birth control when I marry

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IF I marry. I might just stay in welfare so I can keep my own home. I like living alone I have good friends and neighbours around me who I can share Jesus with

 

[Junia]

You'll have to address what I actually wrote if you want a reply.

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I did! I quoted what you said about refusing children and marriage being a sin

show me where the Bible verse is about refusing to marry and bearing children being sins. Then try to explain to me how it applies today when women leave home at 18 to get their own places to live

 

[Junia]

You'll have to address what I actually wrote if you want a reply.

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Unreasonable to expect someone with both physical and cognitive issues to type out e within you said on this issue. I use quotes because typing and scrolling through v difficult for me at moment

 

[Junia]

You'll have to address what I actually wrote if you want a reply.

Just tell me why bible says a woman refusing to marry and have children is a sin.... Also why it applies to today....I see no verses in bible saying this

 

[Junia]

I am sorry but your God is not a God of love if he expects me to cause myself health issues mentally and physically through popping out babies.....also if he expects me as a survivor of sexual abuse and domestic violence to marry a man when the thought of it sends me into a panic

Sorry but Jesus took all our sins away and as a child of God we are not under the law. The Amish can d what they want but I am Christian not Amish so it doesn't apply to me

 

[Albion]

I did! I quoted what you said about refusing children and marriage being a sine

I didn't say anything about refusing children and marriage being a sin. Or not a sin.

 

[Junia]

You'll have to address what I actually wrote if you want a reply.

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Well even if those are in God's word, we live under grace now not the law.... I am not conceding myself with all that. Our job as believers is to preach the Gospel, love God love our neighbour etc. Those last two fulfil all the laws anyway. If we just healthier two God is pleased with us...

I eat pork
I worship on a Sunday
I keep Christmas , sort of
I cut my hair and wear jewellery and make up

Most Christians are like me....if these things were that important to God only a handful of people would be saved. But Bible describes many witnesses in heaven worshipping around the throne of God.

am sorry but if you are born again you are accepted by Jesus and these gender and marriage things are non issues

 

[Junia]

I didn't say anything about refusing children and marriage being a sin. Or not a sin.

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Ok, you didn't say it was a sin in so many words

you did say that the issue of voluntary childlessness was addressed in the Bible but it isn't
only the story of Onan and that was in a cultural context of the times.

 

[Junia]

I didn't say anything about refusing children and marriage being a sin. Or not a sin.

Because neither of them are sins

Jesus chose to be celibate

Paul was either widowed or divorced but he chose not to remarry

Both of them weren't sinning by choosing celibacy or rejecting having children

So then... Why can't i, as a woman make the same choice???

 

[Junia]

I didn't say anything about refusing children and marriage being a sin. Or not a sin.

Adam and Eve and also Noah and his family were the only ones in the Bible who were told to be fruitful nd multiply....

There are verses which speak very highly of women being mothers and I agree with them. I believe a woman called to be a mum has a vocation, and a very special reaponsibility. I expect she will receive more. Rewards in heaven than ladies like myself BUT...it still doesn't mean my own path in life is wrong. Maybe second best. But not really a serious sin


if he wanted me to have a large family, God could have made me neurotypical and able bodied. He didnt. am not mad at him for that. He has a plan for my life.

Sterilisation and non abortificent ways of planning or preventing a family were not around in bible times so that Why they not mentioned. so I wouldn't even begin to say they are wrong or right. Otherwise we are adding to God's commandments and His Word by saying so.

I think a lot of things are unaddressed in the Word because they are issues which aren't a black right or wrong issue and it isbfor left up to the individual

God does still speak personal revelations to us about what we should do in our own lives too but that is between the individual and God. What God commands one person He may not command for another. E.g. Jesus told the rich man to give all his money away to the poor.

 

[Junia]

I believe in prophecy in th Church but there are many false ones today so I choose to listen to why God says to me personaly. There are women who have been told by God to give up painting their nails or weaving their hair etc that is fine for them but I don't consider it equal to revelation from the Logos Word of God which tells us all what we need to know about the fundamentals of Christian living.

Jesus told the rich man to sell ALL he had to the poor. Hee told the Israelites to tithe and give sin offerings. He tells the rest of us that we have been saved by Jesus and to give freely as we are led to..... context is everything

 

[Junia]

There were quite a few examples used in those posts, so I won't comment on each one. But, in short, some have no real Scriptural basis (as you said) but others do, and among the ones that are in the latter category, the evidence is fairly strong for some of them while with others it is not.

To summarily dismiss them all (and others that could be mentioned) as "manmade," or something like that, is wrong. We often witness it being done, however.

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Thanks

Yeah I asked Jesus about these issues some months ago and He told me to not worry about the future and that He knows am not ready to marry yet and just to focus on my healing and walk with Him, that He is my peace and not a harsh taskmaster who places heavy burdens on His children. He also told me He would use me even where I am at. He wants me to have trust in Him and much joy

 

[Junia]

He wants that for all of us. To rest in Him and take one day at a time.

 

[HappyHope]

Wives should obey their husbands is a command. And husbands love their wives.... But the rest of it isn't written for all believers for all times.[/QUOTE

That movement sounds way off. Glad you broke out of it.

 

[HappyHope]

At moment am recovering from serious illness and due to disabilities I have I am limited in what I can do jobsite so am on welfare.

But if I were able bodied I would have to either get a job or marry

Prayers for your recovery. I'm glad you have found a measure of support. Marriage is definitely not supposed to be a meal ticket.

My mom developed a disability in her early 20s and received government assistance through social security early. We had free lunches in school. My dad was not one to pay child support and my mom was not one to make him. In fact, she babysat his kids with his second wife/ex-wife until the day she died. They only sometimes paid her. It made me so sick. She was so vulnerable and refused my help to get her out of that unjust situation. Nothing wrong with accepting help. Nothing. Get better!