Is the Day of the Lord exactly 1000 years as Premils claim?

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When you say "Of course it does!" I assume you reference my comment about Jeremish 31. If that is the case then explain the unfulfilled parts of Jeremish 31 which describes a period of time when everyone in the world knows the Lord.

In the case of the New Covenant, Thankfully, what we have today is just an earnest payment of the New Covenant (see Ephesians 1) and we are waiting to recieve the rest of the inheritence.Hebrews 10, good job proving we are no longer under the Law. None of that addresses unfulfilled Bible prophecy.
The New Covenant itself has some unfulfilled provisions and some of that is addressed in prophecies.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Bible prophecy must be fulfilled.

Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6? You serious? They are two different events.

Not so! I think you have just let your Premil mask fall. It is only Premils that deny the finished work of the cross. Nothing could be more grievous than diluting the complete work that Christ achieved on the cross for man's sin. This is what false doctrine produces - a denying of other crucial truths.

There is nothing temporal or incomplete about the cross. The giving of the Holy Spirit is the earnest security.

Ephesians 4:30 says, “And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

Ephesians 1:13 declares,after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”

The Holy Spirit is here described as “that holy Spirit of promise.”

The word “earnest” here relates to a security down payment. It is taken from the Greek word arrhabon (ar-hrab-ohn’), which is from a Hebrew origin [meaning a pledge in advance as security for the rest.

You have heard of earnest money. It is a portion of something, given or done in advance as a promise of the remainder.

The WordWeb dictionary defines the noun "earnest" as: “Something of value given by one person to another to bind a contract.”
 
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Not so! I think you have just let your Premil mask fall. It is only Premils that deny the finished work of the cross. Nothing could be more grievous than diluting the complete work that Christ achieved on the cross for man's sin. This is what false doctrine produces - a denying of other crucial truths.

There is nothing temporal or incomplete about the cross. The giving of the Holy Spirit is the earnest security.

Ephesians 4:30 says, “And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

Ephesians 1:13 declares,after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”

The Holy Spirit is here described as “that holy Spirit of promise.”

The word “earnest” here relates to a security down payment. It is taken from the Greek word arrhabon (ar-hrab-ohn’), which is from a Hebrew origin [meaning a pledge in advance as security for the rest.

You have heard of earnest money. It is a portion of something, given or done in advance as a promise of the remainder.

The WordWeb dictionary defines the noun "earnest" as: “Something of value given by one person to another to bind a contract.”

Did you read what I said :doh: I said I would be considered your so called premil before I put anything else up and I talked about Ephesians 1. That fact that we only have an earnest puts the New Covenant in a state comparable to a signed contract that hasn`t been fully implemented.

It proves that God isn`t done with the old earth yet. That`s why it is necessary for there to be another age after this one before this earth is dissolved.
 
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First, I also believe everything the prophets have declared will come to pass. But the issue is, whether it is in a spiritual way or in a natural physical way, which is the ultimate bone of contention.

Second:

Idealism simply refers to one's view of Revelation. It is that it is not chronological but rather a series of intra-Advent recaps.
Postrib: I believe the tribulation is ongoing in the intra-Advent but will intensify near the end.
Amil is: when Jesus comes that is it!

Thirdly, I was trying to give you a general outline of the centrality of Christ and the introduction of His spiritual kingdom at the First Advent in Amil thinking, not a physical kingdom as the Pharisees anticipated at the First Advent and Premils anticipate at the second coming. Both miss the meaning of prophecy after prophecy by forcing their mistaken theological beliefs and a hyper-literalist meaning on them that the Holy Spirit never intended.

With Premils, they not only invent an additional age to that which Jesus and the NT recognized, but they then conveniently dump prophecy after prophecy into this supposed future age. This is problematic. This is seen when the OT prophet mentions where it relates to. Because Premil lacks any corroboration in Scripture for a future 1,000 years’ age after the second coming, it invents 2 “last days” periods to allow Premil to fit. Mark 1 now, and Mark 2 after the second coming. Premils also invent 2 new heavens and new earths. Mark 1 they relate to their alleged future millennium and is sin-cursed and corrupt. Mark 2 is perfect and incorrupt and they equate it to 1,000 years+ after this.

Last days


Let us start with the subject of "the last days."

Isaiah 2:2-4 says, speaking of the Lord’s first Advent, “And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Micah 4:1-3 parallels this teaching, saying, “in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.”

Is this spiritually speaking of the intra-Advent period or is it talking about some new age in-between this evil age and the age to come?

The correlation between Isaiah’s vision and that of Micah is undoubted and remarkable.

But what is these prophecies all about?

The whole thrust of these passages surrounds a new anticipated day when Messiah would come and usher in true peace. Of course, many trip up with passages like this with their literalist mind-set. They fail to see that peace with God is not some purely abstract earthly thing. It would be wrong to understand or interpret the prophetic words in both of these texts in a natural literal carnal sense. It is not referring to the cessation of physical violence. The termination of war or military conflict does not constitute true peace in God’s eyes.

The last days

The NT assists us in locating this period. We do not need to speculate.

Christ’s earthly ministry ushered in the period of the ‘last days’. Hebrews 1:1-2 declares, “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son.”

1 Peter 1:18-20 also confirm the fact that says, “Christ … was manifest in these last times for you.”

The ‘last days’ commenced with the earthly ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ and will terminate with His glorious Second Coming. Hebrews 9:26 says, “now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin.”

In Acts 2:16-21 Peter shows that the last days were active and ongoing at Pentecost, saying, this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh.”

John testified in I John 2:18 that he was actually in the last days: Little children, it is the last time.”

1 Corinthians 10:11 says, “the ends of the world are come.

Speaking of his day, James 5:1-3 says, Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.”

These passages demonstrate that we are in the end times since Christ’s first Advent and that the last days don’t relate to another age after Christ’s appearing, as Premillennialism imagines. The “last days” clearly relate to the intra-Advent period and find their conclusion at the “last day” – Christ’s Coming. I see the “last day” (singular) of the “last days” (plural) as the all-consummating appearing of Christ, which witnesses the total destruction of the world/wicked and a general resurrection / judgement. I believe Scripture shows that the “last days” (plural) terminate at the “last day” (singular) with the raising and judging of both the righteous (John 6:39-44, 54, 11:23-24) and the wicked (John 12:48). In all these references, the wording in the original for “last day” is always the same – eschatee heemara. The Greek word eschatee used here comes from the root word eschatos, from where we get our word English eschatology, and simply means end, last, farthest or final.

The reality is: Scripture shows that the last days relate to the intra-Advent period and Christ's heavenly reign upon a heavenly throne over the nations. It described the enlightenment of the nations, which has been ongoing for 2000 years. Amils believe that the last days were ushered in with the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ and will see their consummation on the last day – at Christ’s one final future Coming. They see the intra-Advent period as covering redemptive history.


Peace in the kingdom

Hatred and turmoil are a thing that lies hidden within the heart. This is what Christ came to address and heal. These predictions are talking about a peace that accompanies the acceptance of Christ (the Messiah) as Lord and Savior. It is a spiritual peace. It is a spiritual peace that chance a heart from hatred to love. The peace we are looking at comes with the Prince of peace and is manifested through His kingdom. The king and the kingdom cannot in any way be divorced.

A few chapters after Isaiah 2:2 in Isaiah 9:6-7 we get further detail on what this new period would usher in: “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."

Prophesying of Christ the Old Testament prophet declared in Micah 5:2 & 5: “thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting ... And this man shall be the peace.”

The Old Testament prophets were constantly looking for Messiah and the true peace that He would introduce. Regardless of the success of Israel’s leaders (kings, judges, priest) they were imperfect and simply preparatory to the Coming perfect King who was the eternal personification of peace.

Zacharias prophesied in Luke 1:76-79 of Christ, And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.”

Zechariah 9:9-10 predicted: “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass … and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.”

The prophets recognised that this “peace” was not simply an ethnic thing pertaining exclusively to natural Israel but was a spiritual thing that would affect all nations. This is what Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3 is speaking of. We learn: “the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.” What is more we don’t need to speculate about the time-period in view, the text confirms: in the last days it shall come to pass.”

This passage vividly shows salvation going out to the nations of the world after the cross. It shows the establishment of the kingdom of God (described here as “the mountain of the Lord's house”), above all other kingdoms of the earth (described here as mountains) and smaller ethnic groups (described here as hills).

Isaiah 57:19-21 predicts in tandem with Isaiah 2 and Micah 4:1 reference the promised peace for all nations that attends entering the kingdom: “Peace, peace to him that is far off (the Gentiles), and to him that is near (the Jews), saith the LORD; and I will heal him. But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt. There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.”

This is talking about the great commission!!!

Isaiah receives a symbolic vision 500 yrs before Christ of an approaching new order of peace. Isaiah described the blessing that this new order would bring and the scale of its influence. Interestingly (and graciously for us) it was a new arrangement that would embrace “all nation.” Gentiles would be brought unto an equal footing with Jews in regard to the Gospel opportunity.

Ephesians 2:13-15 confirms this, saying: “now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.”

The nations have been united in peace through the Prince of peace, and His shed blood on Calvary.

Colossians 1:19-20: “For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him.”

Christ is our peace - now! A major difficulty I have with Premillennialism is that it postpones so much current blessing and projects it into a supposed period in the future that (I believe) will never be. It therefore totally nullifies countless ongoing fulfilments. This is a disturbing factor engrained within the doctrine. This passage under review is a case-in-point.

Because Christ is peace, He imparts that peace to us upon salvation. When we receive Him we receive peace. We get the full package. Jesus said in John 16:33, in me ye might have peace.” Colossians 3:15 consequently instructs us: let the peace of God rule in your hearts.”

Many that live in nations that would be viewed in an earthly sense as peaceful or free are in reality filled with strife, hatred and turmoil. Scripture makes it clear: There is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked (Isaiah 48:22). Conversely, Scripture after Scripture repeatedly depicts entry into the kingdom of God and a relationship with Christ as man’s only true peace. In fact Romans 14:17 tells us "the kingdom of God is ... peace."

Peace only comes through salvation. Jesus said in that wonderful passage in John 14:27 during His earthly ministry, “Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” If someone is redeemed then they have entered into the peace of God through the Prince of Peace. Here was the fulfilment of this reading in operation. Here was the “Prince of Peace” in operation. Peace is not merely a future hope, it is a present reality. It’s an intimate relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. Philippians 4:7 says, the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.”

The redeemed of all nations that come into the kingdom of God no longer “lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." They have experienced true peace and have been reconciled unto a holy God. As a consequence, their weapons of war have been made redundant; they now operate with the tools of peace. Former enemies are miraculously reconciled “in Christ” through the blood of Jesus. The prince of peace has affected a supernatural change by way of conversion. Out goes the old and in comes the new. What was once used to destroy others has been supernaturally changed to bless others. Ancient enemies are unified within God’s great spiritual kingdom. They enter into heaven's peace.

Conclusion

Isaiah 2 and Micah 4 fit perfectly with the Amillennial concept of the kingdom but totally contradicts the Premillennial idea. Firstly, there are no wicked in our kingdom and there are no physical wars involved or allowed in our kingdom. It is a spiritual kingdom that is inhabited solely by God’s people and who eternally enters into the peace of God.

Ok, I think I understand you well enough to address these contentions now. Bear with me, I have a hard time keeping up with cut and paste
 
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Christ may be reigning in Heaven, but not on the earth, but if His rule is to be confined to Heaven, then why does John tell us that His reign is also coming to earth?

Which earth?

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, the New Heavens and the New Earth comes on the day of the Lord, when He comes as a thief.

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Which earth?

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, the New Heavens and the New Earth comes on the day of the Lord, when He comes as a thief.

In Bible prophecy there are sometimes time jumps inbetween Individual prophecies and you cannot make doctrine based on a single verse when multiple scriptures address same topic. Peter is presenting incomplete information (not unusual in prophecy) and he had incomplete knowledge because he did not have the information given in the book of Revelation. When you look at all prophecies dealing with this period of time it becomes clear,

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Peter, his own words. He clearly believed in the times of restitution, which is the period of time that must come after this age. What Peter didn`t know (pre- book of Revelation) is that the times of restitution will not start until after the " times of the Gentiles" is ended.
 
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so after God's reign of 1000 years, satan is back on the job the world is just back to "normal" again?

If by normal you mean in a state of rebellion then yes. That`s what the text says, u have issue with that?
 
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What Peter didn`t know (pre- book of Revelation) is that the times of restitution will not start until after the " times of the Gentiles" is ended.

Based on the words of Christ below, the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled at the future Second Coming of Christ.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


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You said,

"First, I also believe everything the prophets have declared will come to pass. But the issue is, whether it is in a spiritual way or in a natural physical way, which is the ultimate bone of contention.
Second:
Idealism simply refers to one's view of Revelation. It is that it is not chronological but rather a series of intra-Advent recaps.
Postrib: I believe the tribulation is ongoing in the intra-Advent but will intensify near the end.
Amil is: when Jesus comes that is it!"

"intra-Advent" is another term I could not find a definition for but it sounds like you mean what the Bible calls the times of the Gentiles. And when you say prophecy is fulfilled in a "spiritual way" you put yourself into disagreement with what God said about prophecy,

9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:


When you say spiritual way you mean you will imagine prophecy to mean whatever you want it to. But God said prophecies are a declaration of things not yet done which makes a literal fulfillment necessary.
 
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Based on the words of Christ below, the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled at the future Second Coming of Christ.

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


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I had trouble phrasing that correctly and I see now that my comment is very flawed. Regardless, there seems to be missing elements in Peters knowledge because he clearly understood that the times of restitution must occur before old earth is dissolved.

Peter in Acts 3,

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
 
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Something else I find interesting, when a nuke is exploded it sets the atmosphere on fire and melts elements in it, it also will roll clouds quite fitting the Biblical description of both type of phenomenon.

So my thought is that the end of this age will foreshawdow the real end of old earth just as first century events foreshawdow the end of this age and created Preterism.

That is my theory anyway although I feel it is a pretty solid theory.
 
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Yeah. Why let him out?

Really beautiful question and I appriciate you baiting me with these. Anyway, at that future period of time, the people of the world have lived under the government of King Jesus which will give the world enforced righteousness. These people will get their opportunity to make bad choices, to test them. That`s why.
 
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My comments in ( )

(This is the second serction of your post)

Last days

Let us start with the subject of "the last days."

(Do, lets)

Isaiah 2:2-4 says, speaking of the Lord’s first Advent, “And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Micah 4:1-3 parallels this teaching, saying, “in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.”

Is this spiritually speaking of the intra-Advent period or is it talking about some new age in-between this evil age and the age to come?

The correlation between Isaiah’s vision and that of Micah is undoubted and remarkable.

But what is these prophecies all about?

The whole thrust of these passages surrounds a new anticipated day when Messiah would come and usher in true peace. Of course, many trip up with passages like this with their literalist mind-set. They fail to see that peace with God is not some purely abstract earthly thing. It would be wrong to understand or interpret the prophetic words in both of these texts in a natural literal carnal sense. It is not referring to the cessation of physical violence. The termination of war or military conflict does not constitute true peace in God’s eyes.


( These Bible Passages describe a period of time when God rules the world from Jerusalem and lives in the Mountains above Jerusalem. The passages decribe this period of time as part of an age called last days in scripture.Your interpretation of those passages aren`t anything I see a need to comment on.)
 
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Did you read what I said :doh: I said I would be considered your so called premil before I put anything else up and I talked about Ephesians 1. That fact that we only have an earnest puts the New Covenant in a state comparable to a signed contract that hasn`t been fully implemented.

It proves that God isn`t done with the old earth yet. That`s why it is necessary for there to be another age after this one before this earth is dissolved.

The new covenant was made on man's behalf. Christ did not redeem the earth.
 
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Really beautiful question and I appriciate you baiting me with these. Anyway, at that future period of time, the people of the world have lived under the government of King Jesus which will give the world enforced righteousness. These people will get their opportunity to make bad choices, to test them. That's why.

That's a bummer. I did not know our salvation will expire and we will have to renew it by getting tested again.

Also, how dumb can satan be? There is this book that has written stuff about him so far long ago and he is still going to do it - in other words prove it? Unless he has too.
 
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(This is the second serction of your post)

Last days

Let us start with the subject of "the last days."

(Do, lets)

Isaiah 2:2-4 says, speaking of the Lord’s first Advent, “And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Micah 4:1-3 parallels this teaching, saying, “in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.”

Is this spiritually speaking of the intra-Advent period or is it talking about some new age in-between this evil age and the age to come?

The correlation between Isaiah’s vision and that of Micah is undoubted and remarkable.

But what is these prophecies all about?

The whole thrust of these passages surrounds a new anticipated day when Messiah would come and usher in true peace. Of course, many trip up with passages like this with their literalist mind-set. They fail to see that peace with God is not some purely abstract earthly thing. It would be wrong to understand or interpret the prophetic words in both of these texts in a natural literal carnal sense. It is not referring to the cessation of physical violence. The termination of war or military conflict does not constitute true peace in God’s eyes.


( These Bible Passages describe a period of time when God rules the world from Jerusalem and lives in the Mountains above Jerusalem. The passages decribe this period of time as part of an age called last days in scripture.Your interpretation of those passages aren`t anything I see a need to comment on.)

That is the difference between those who invent an additional age in between this age and the age to come and those who accept the 2 ages that Christ and the NT writers taught. Also you invent an additional last days period after the last day. That is ridiculous.

My advice is: let Bible speak for itself instead of trying to force your doctrine in where it doesn't fit.
 
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That's a bummer. I did not know our salvation will expire and we will have to renew it by getting tested again.

Also, how dumb can satan be? There is this book that has written stuff about him so far long ago and he is still going to do it - in other words prove it? Unless he has too.

??? You were doing so well with your questions but this post makes no sense.
 
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That is the difference between those who invent an additional age in between this age and the age to come and those who accept the 2 ages that Christ and the NT writers taught. Also you invent an additional last days period after the last day. That is ridiculous.

My advice is: let Bible speak for itself instead of trying to force your doctrine in where it doesn't fit.

I have no idea what you mean apart from the fact that you seem to deny that Jesus will rule the earth.
 
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