Grapes in the Early Spring

[Mr. M]

New wines simply haven't been aged as long.

So the fact that it is more inebriating isn't important to the narrative?

 

[Mr. M]

How would one understand the parable; if he couldn't understand the self evident truth?

What is this self-evident truth? That old wine is better? [literal]
Okay, then what is the lesson of the parable?

 

[HARK!]

So the fact that it is more inebriating isn't important to the narrative?

Actually aged wines tend to have a higher alcohol content.

Wines, with a lower alcohol content, tend not to keep as well.

 

[HARK!]

What is this self-evident truth? That old wine is better? [literal]
Okay, then what is the lesson of the parable?

The axiom is on topic.

If you can explain how the parable is on topic; I'd be interested in your perspective.

 

[Mr. M]

Actually aged wines tend to have a higher alcohol content.

Wines, with a lower alcohol content, tend not to keep as well.

So if the disciples asked, "explain this parable to us" what is the lesson to gain from the axiom?
For that matter, if parables are based on self evident truths, why did the disciples routinely
request an explanation?

 

[Mr. M]

(CLV) Lk 5:39
And not one, drinking the old, immediately is wanting the fresh, for he is saying, `The old is mellower.'"

You posted it amigo, you can explain how it is off topic.

 

[Mr. M]

Actually aged wines tend to have a higher alcohol content.

Wines, with a lower alcohol content, tend not to keep as well.

γλεῦκος gleûkos, glyoo'-kos; akin to G1099; sweet wine, i.e. (properly) must (fresh juice), but used of the more saccharine (and therefore highly inebriating) fermented wine:—new wine.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

New wines simply haven't been aged as long.

(CLV) Lk 5:39
And not one, drinking the old, immediately is wanting the fresh, for he is saying, `The old is mellower.'"

New is still fermenting in the bottle, old is aged and more mellow

 

[Mr. M]

New is still fermenting in the bottle, old is aged and more mellow

And which is more inebriating, considering the accusation at Pentecost?
Acts 2:13. Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

 

[HARK!]

γλεῦκος gleûkos, glyoo'-kos; akin to G1099; sweet wine, i.e. (properly) must (fresh juice), but used of the more saccharine (and therefore highly inebriating) fermented wine:—new wine.

Does a wine's age affect its level of alcohol?

No, it doesn’t. A wine’s alcohol percentage is determined during the fermentation process, when sugar is converted to alcohol. Once the fermentation process is over, the alcohol level remains constant.

But the way that the alcohol is perceived can seem to change over time. As phenolic compounds link and some of the wine’s primary flavors fade (and its secondary flavors become more prominent), there might be different points in the wine’s aging process in which the alcohol seems more or less pronounced.

—Dr. Vinny

Does a wine's age affect its level of alcohol? | Wine Spectator

 

[Mr. M]

Once the fermentation process is over, the alcohol level remains constant.

New wine is still in the fermentation process. More effervescent.

 

[HARK!]

And which is more inebriating, considering the accusation at Pentecost?
Acts 2:13. Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Again, aged wines tend to have a higher alcohol content; because the higher the alcohol content, the better they tend to keep.

 

[Mr. M]

Again, aged wines tend to have a higher alcohol content; because the higher the alcohol content, the better they tend to keep.

Does a wine's age affect its level of alcohol?

No, it doesn’t. A wine’s alcohol percentage is determined during the fermentation process, when sugar is converted to alcohol. Once the fermentation process is over, the alcohol level remains constant.

I must be getting inebriated, because this sounds like a direct contradiction. I just wanted the spiritual
lesson of His parable. Apparently that was off topic. Must be time for me to bid adieu.
(The Truth is in the signature.)

 

[HARK!]

I must be getting inebriated, because this sounds like a direct contradiction.

In other words dry wines age better. If you age a sweet wine; it's more likely to grow something that you didn't intend to grow in it; while it's being aged.

Sweet wines are sweet; because all of the sugar in the wine has not been converted to alcohol.

 

[HARK!]

New is still fermenting in the bottle, old is aged and more mellow

If it is fermenting in the bottle (secondary fermentation) it's producing a sparkling wine. I don't think that they had pressurized bottles back in those days.

 

[HARK!]

Wow! This is weird. I used to brew my own beer; and this defies everything I've learned from books, and through networking with other home brewers:

The Ancient Greeks and Romans were aware of the potential of aged wines. In Greece, early examples of dried "straw wines" were noted for their ability to age due to their high sugar contents.

Aging of wine - Wikipedia

Straw wine, or raisin wine, is a wine made from grapes that have been dried to concentrate their juice. The result is similar to that of the ice wine process, but is a much older process and suitable for warm climates. The technique dates back to pre-Classical times with wines becoming fashionable in Roman times and in late Medieval/Renaissance Europe when wines such as Malmsey ('Malvasia' originally from Greece) and Candia (from Crete) were highly sought after.

Straw wine - Wikipedia

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

And which is more inebriating, considering the accusation at Pentecost?
Acts 2:13. Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

What does that matter, they both have alcohol.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

So the fact that it is more inebriating isn't important to the narrative?

How can that be when they are still not finished fermenting? maybe it is the bubbles

 

[Mr. M]

You can decline my advice all you like. It does not change the facts that alcohol is far more destructive than sugar. When was a family killed by a person eating too much sugar and then driving? Do cops have sugar breathalyzer tests? Many cases of sexual misconduct is linked to alcohol and not sugar.

How does this apply to the time of Christ, and the last Supper that the OP is discussing?

 

[Mr. M]

But you do realize alcohol is another level of destruction than say sugar consumption. I never heard any stories of anyone dying from having too much sugar, but I heard tons of times out of my life of someone dying or ruining their life because of alcohol.

Anyone could mention the plague of child obesity in America and adolescent diabetes, which of course
is affecting and killing people years before they will be old enough to drink or drive.