Any scriptural evidence that evangelized Gentiles are to keep the Sabbath?

[LoveGodsWord]

Colossians 2 King James Version (KJV)
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Bottom line is: you can keep or not keep. Sabbath keeping doesn`t save you.

There is no mention of Gods 4th commandment in these scriptures. What sabbaths do you think these scriptures in Colossians 2 are talking about? Did you know that under the ceremonial MOSAIC laws there are many kinds of annual sabbaths in the old testament that can fall on any day of the week?

So is it.......

1. The sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8
2. The sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32
3. The sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?
4. The sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36
5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39
6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week
7. The sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2
8. The Sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54

Can you show me where Colossians 2 is talking about God's 10 commandments?
Yep no where. Happy to show where Paul is quoting from in the Old testament if your interested, just let me know.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

We have to believe in the name of Jesus Christ. Rather than the generic term 'God'. Also, the love in the law was according to how you loved yourself. The new command of love was according to how Jesus loved us. That is, unconditional love.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

Was Yeshua not God? Do unto others as you would have them do to you...everything Yeshua said had a parallel in Torah

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

There is no mention of Gods 4th commandment in these scriptures. What sabbaths do you think these scriptures in Colossians 2 are talking about? Did you know that under the ceremonial MOSAIC laws there are many kinds of annual sabbaths in the old testament that can fall on any day of the wee?

So is it.......

1. The sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8
2. The sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32
3. The sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?
4. The sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36
5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39
6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week
7. The sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2
8. The Sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54

Can you show me where Colossians 2 is talking about God's 10 commandments?
Yep no where. Happy to show where Paul is quoting from in the Old testament if your interested, just let me know.

As in today...Yom Kippur

 

[LoveGodsWord]

As in today...Yom Kippur

Absolutely, these are the shadows of things to come.

God bless bro Yesh

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Absolutely, these are the shadows of things to come.

God bless bro Yesh

Todah LGW, to you also! G'mar Chatima Tovah!

 

[RickReads]

There is no mention of Gods 4th commandment in these scriptures. What sabbaths do you think these scriptures in Colossians 2 are talking about? Did you know that under the ceremonial MOSAIC laws there are many kinds of annual sabbaths in the old testament that can fall on any day of the week?

So is it.......

1. The sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8
2. The sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32
3. The sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?
4. The sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36
5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39
6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week
7. The sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2
8. The Sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54

Can you show me where Colossians 2 is talking about God's 10 commandments?
Yep no where. Happy to show where Paul is quoting from in the Old testament if your interested, just let me know.

I don`t think the two verses I used are quotes from the old testament so I don`t understand what you are trying to say here.

 

[klutedavid]

Was Yeshua not God? Do unto others as you would have them do to you...everything Yeshua said had a parallel in Torah

You were commanded to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Show me that command in the Torah.

Jesus said not to divorce except for immorality. Show me that commandment in the Torah.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I don`t think the two verses I used are quotes from the old testament so I don`t understand what you are trying to say here.

Paul is quoting from the Old testament scriptures when quoting Colossians 2:16 and as posted earlier there are many annual sabbaths of the old testament that are not related to God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandment. That is why I posted the scripture examples earlier to show that Colossians 2 is not a reference to God's 10 commandments.

 

[JohnT]

Here we go, again. Same song, second verse:

In the second coming God will be judging every man according to his works. There will be two choices for each of us- eternal life or death.

Follow their idea of "salvation" (meaning works-righteousness), or you go to hell. You see, they imply in statements like that, that they are the ONLY ones who know the way to heaven; Jesus is optional.

Not that I didn't believe, but not following Him the way we are supposed to. I used to think the the narrow gate was really not that narrow, but now I think the scripture is exactly as it reads Mathew 7:13-14 NKJV 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

In other words, only our church knows how to get into heaven is that NOT a statement of hubris?

God cast Lucifer out of Heaven. I do not think He is going to have lukewarm Christians in heaven. You have to believe in Him, love Him with all your heart and obey, which includes Gods laws.

In other words, we not only judge the "quality of Christians on earth at this present age", but we plan to do so in heaven, and we will condemn you for not following our laws in heaven.

Exodus 20:8-11 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The 4th commandment is the only one that uses the word Holy. It's the only one the Lord blessed. The only one that begins with Remember.

Back to verse 3 of the same song. "You must go to church on Saturday to be saved"

For those who are so adamant about Sabbath being "done away with" why don't you give it a try? What do you have to lose?

In other words, "taking the strychnine of law mongering is a good thing because it REALLY will cause you no harm."

imge, I do not hate you. It is not personal. What I am doing is taking your words, and demonstrating that your church actually strangles its adherents into keeping the rules of EGW, and of your church into believing that you guys have the keys to get into heaven. In that way, you are no different than the Roman Catholic Church, or the LDS church.

Each of them believe that their rites or "endowments" have the "magical authority" to keep people out of hell. Unfortunately, what you guys collectively cannot comprehend is that by definition if the LDS system of endowments is wrong because they are a system of works to enter heaven, then so also is the Roman system likewise wrong. Both involve using a system of works to merit eternal life.

But logically, if one says that ANY system of works-righteousness is wrong, then ALL systems of works righteousness are equally wrong. It cannot be that the rites or endowments of the Roman Catholic Church LDS church, are sufficiently "magical" that they give certain privileges to one group, but are ineffectual with the other group. Just because the participants have use different words and symbols to essentially accomplish the same goal: heaven, but the consistency argument requires proof to make the "magic words and acts" efficacious in this place, but not in that place. Thus, those insisting on any sort of works righteousness are no better than the naked Emperor believing in his very fine clothes. In reality, all they are left with is the banal hope of " being naked and I hope it works..."

It is simply a matter of consistency, and by your church's insistence on keeping your church's "rules and laws" to gain entrance into heaven, y'all are being highly inconsistent as well as being spiritually blind according to what Paul wrote:

2 Corinthians 4:
2 But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God's word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone's conscience in the sight of God.
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing.
4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.​

I truly hope that you can see the consistency of argument that I presented and start to wonder what is it about obeying Ellen and her rules that gives you a more sure foundation than what the LDS and the RCC have.

Respectfully, I say there really is no difference among the three religions claiming that "Through our ceremonies, We know the way into heaven but other churches do not know that."

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Here we go, again. Same song, second verse:


Follow their idea of "salvation" (meaning works-righteousness), or you go to hell. You see, they imply in statements like that, that they are the ONLY ones who know the way to heaven; Jesus is optional.



In other words, only our church knows how to get into heaven is that NOT a statement of hubris?



In other words, we not only judge the "quality of Christians on earth at this present age", but we plan to do so in heaven, and we will condemn you for not following our laws in heaven.



Back to verse 3 of the same song. "You must go to church on Saturday to be saved"



In other words, "taking the strychnine of law mongering is a good thing because it REALLY will cause you no harm."

imge, I do not hate you. It is not personal. What I am doing is taking your words, and demonstrating that your church actually strangles its adherents into keeping the rules of EGW, and of your church into believing that you guys have the keys to get into heaven. In that way, you are no different than the Roman Catholic Church, or the LDS church.

Each of them believe that their rites or "endowments" have the "magical authority" to keep people out of hell. Unfortunately, what you guys collectively cannot comprehend is that by definition if the LDS system of endowments is wrong because they are a system of works to enter heaven, then so also is the Roman system likewise wrong. Both involve using a system of works to merit eternal life.

But logically, if one says that ANY system of works-righteousness is wrong, then ALL systems of works righteousness are equally wrong. It cannot be that the rites or endowments of the Roman Catholic Church LDS church, are sufficiently "magical" that they give certain privileges to one group, but are ineffectual with the other group. Just because the participants have use different words and symbols to essentially accomplish the same goal: heaven, but the consistency argument requires proof to make the "magic words and acts" efficacious in this place, but not in that place. Thus, those insisting on any sort of works righteousness are no better than the naked Emperor believing in his very fine clothes. In reality, all they are left with is the banal hope of " being naked and I hope it works..."

It is simply a matter of consistency, and by your church's insistence on keeping your church's "rules and laws" to gain entrance into heaven, y'all are being highly inconsistent as well as being spiritually blind according to what Paul wrote:

2 Corinthians 4:
2 But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God's word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone's conscience in the sight of God.
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing.
4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.​

I truly hope that you can see the consistency of argument that I presented and start to wonder what is it about obeying Ellen and her rules that gives you a more sure foundation than what the LDS and the RCC have.

Respectfully, I say there really is no difference among the three religions claiming that "Through our ceremonies, We know the way into heaven but other churches do not know that."

Actually everything you have posted here is not what anyone has said whatsoever.

 

[klutedavid]

There is no mention of Gods 4th commandment in these scriptures. What sabbaths do you think these scriptures in Colossians 2 are talking about? Did you know that under the ceremonial MOSAIC laws there are many kinds of annual sabbaths in the old testament that can fall on any day of the week?

So is it.......

1. The sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8
2. The sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32
3. The sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?
4. The sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36
5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39
6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week
7. The sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2
8. The Sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54

Can you show me where Colossians 2 is talking about God's 10 commandments?
Yep no where. Happy to show where Paul is quoting from in the Old testament if your interested, just let me know.

What was that post all about?

Here is what you wrote.

3.

The sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?

Here is what the text states.

Leviticus 23:24-25
“Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘In the seventh month on the first of the month you shall have a rest, a reminder by blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. You shall not do any laborious work, but you shall present an offering by fire to the Lord.’”

There is no mention of the word Sabbath in that quotation from Leviticus. The first of the month is the new moon day and that is a rest day.

So why do you refer to a "sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets" when the text does not mention a seventh day?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What was that post all about?

Here is what you wrote.
Here is what the text states.

Leviticus 23:24-25
“Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘In the seventh month on the first of the month you shall have a rest, a reminder by blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. You shall not do any laborious work, but you shall present an offering by fire to the Lord.’”

There is no mention of the word Sabbath in that quotation from Leviticus. The first of the month is the new moon day and that is a rest day.

So why do you refer to a "sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets" when the text does not mention a seventh day?

Some of these texts state specifically sabbath. Holy convocation is a a day of rest where no weekly work is to be done same as σάββατον sabbaton in the Greek in Colossians 2:16 means a day of rest.

Feast of unleavened bread

LEVITICUS 23:6-8
[6], And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread to the LORD: seven days you must eat unleavened bread. [7], In the first day you shall have an holy convocation: you shall do no servile work therein. [8], But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: you shall do no servile work therein.

Feast of trumpets

LEVITICUS 23:24-35 [24], Speak to the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall you have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.[25], You shall do no servile work therein: but you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD.

These ceremonial annual sabbaths can fall on any day of the week and are only once a year applied strictly to the feast days.

Great day of Atonement

LEVITICUS 23:27-32
[27], Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation to you; and you shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire to the LORD.
[28], And you shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
[29], For whatever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
[30], And whatever soul it be that does any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
[31], You shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
[32], It shall be to you a sabbath of rest, and you shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even to even, shall you celebrate your sabbath.

You have the other scriptures no need to post any more here as there are too many.

The annual ceremonial sabbaths are not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. God's 4th commandment is a weekly Sabbath and unlike the annual sabbaths connected to the feast days is a memorial of creation and a celebration of God as the creator of heaven and earth which God commands his people to keep as a Holy day of rest and one of God's 10 commandments *Exodus 20:8-11 that give is the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7.

Hope this helps

 

[chad kincham]

The commandments in the law or the commandments that Jesus gave?

One set of commandments are old commandments and the other set of commandments are new commandments.

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Decalogue means ten. Which covenant had ten commands?

That’s kinda obvious, methinks.

 

[RickReads]

Paul is quoting from the Old testament scriptures when quoting Colossians 2:16 and as posted earlier there are many annual sabbaths of the old testament that are not related to God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandment. That is why I posted the scripture examples earlier to show that Colossians 2 is not a reference to God's 10 commandments.

Hence my confusion about your point. I did not address the ten commandments or say anything about them. On Colossians 2:16 Paul is talking about all day keeping and is talking about the various laws that pertain to day keeping. It is not a direct quote of any OT verse, rather it is a statement on topics from the OT. You are trying to say that the sabbath from the 4th commandment is not one of those topics and I will disagree with that view.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hence my confusion about your point. I did not address the ten commandments or say anything about them. On Colossians 2:16 Paul is talking about all day keeping and is talking about the various laws that pertain to day keeping. It is not a direct quote of any OT verse, rather it is a statement on topics from the OT. You are trying to say that the sabbath from the 4th commandment is not one of those topics and I will disagree with that view.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Actually no Paul is saying no such thing. Colossians 2:16-17 is not in reference to God's 4th commandment. Colossians 2 in fact is not talking about any of God's 10 commandments or God's 4th commandment which is one of the ten commandments. It is talking about the annual shadow sabbaths in the feast days from the old covenant that were shadows of things to come.

There is also no mention of God's 4th commandment Sabbath in HEBREWS 14 which is talking about eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other days, and judging others not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination with God.

Happy to discuss the scripture details if your interested.

 

[RickReads]

Actually no Paul is saying no such thing. Colossians 2:16-17 is in reference to God's 4th commandment? Colossians 2:16-17 is not talking about any of God's 10 commandments or God's 4th commandment which is one of the ten commandments. It is talking about the annual shadow sabbaths in the feast days from the old covenant that were shadows of things to come. There is also no mention of God's 4th commandment Sabbath in HEBREWS 14 which is talking about eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other days, and judging others not what days God esteems. The things that men esteem are an abomination with God.

If you read my remark you should know I said nothing about the 10 commandments. The sabbath of the 4th commandment is a day that predates Moses by quite a bit. The Sabbath and the ten commandments are different issues and I was posting a verse about day keeping. You are pretty much trying to put addons to what I said.

This is my Sabbath-> "For we which have believed do enter into rest"

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If you read my remark you should know I said nothing about the 10 commandments. The sabbath of the 4th commandment is a day that predates Moses by quite a bit. The Sabbath and the ten commandments are different issues and I was posting a verse about day keeping. You are pretty much trying to put addons to what I said. This is my Sabbath-> "For we which have believed do enter into rest"

Not really, as the Sabbath is God's 4th commandment and one of God's 10 commandments given by God at Mt Sinai *EXODUS 20:8-11 which was made by God at creation *GENESIS 2:1-3 for all mankind *MARk 2:27 which JESUS is Lord *MARK 2:28. You can read about all the 10 commandments that were spoken and written with the finger of God here *EXODUS 20:1-17. Each one of them are repeated in the new covenant scriptures. Their role is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and if we knowingly break anyone of them when God gives us a knowledge of what his truth is, we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11; ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:30-31; JAMES 4:17. According to the scriptures, no one enters into God's rest of HEBREWS 4 by not believing and following what God's Word says. This is what both HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 is talking about. Happy to share more about this if your interested?

 

[RickReads]

Not really, as the Sabbath is one of God's 10 commandments

Yes it is, but as I continue to try to explain to you -> I was not talking about the ten commandments nor did I mention the ten commandments in my initial remarks. You need the ten commandments in order to try and make your position work. But the ten commandments will not save me anymore then they did the rich man who had kept them from his youth.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes it is, but as I continue to try to explain to you -> I was not talking about the ten commandments nor did I mention the ten commandments in my initial remarks. You need the ten commandments in order to try and make your position work. But the ten commandments will not save me anymore then they did the rich man who had kept them from his youth.

I do not understand how your argument makes any sense perhaps you can explain it a little more, as God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to the scriptures *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7. You do know that JESUS was showing the rich young ruler that he was not keeping God's commandments right? He loved his money and riches more than God and went away sorrowful as he was not willing to give it all away to the poor and come and follow JESUS. No one has ever said anywhere to you that the 10 commandments save people. So this is an argument no one is making and so if we are in agreement here what is your argument? We are saved by God's grace through faith and not of ourselves and not of works lest any man should boast.

 

[RickReads]

I do not understand how your argument makes any sense, as God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. You do know that JESUS was showing the rich young ruler was not keeping God's commandments right? He loved his money and riches more than God. No one has ever said anywhere to you that the 10 commandments save people. So this is an argument no one is making and so if we are in agreement here what is your argument?

I have no arguement apart from saying I did not inject the ten commandments into this, you did. There are actually 613 commandments and they do not prevent the rich man from having his riches. He had done nothing wrong. It was unbelief that prevented him from obeying Jesus.
Sabbath keeping is an issue that predates the ten commandments which is why it is also a different issue then Law keeping.