Any scriptural evidence that evangelized Gentiles are to keep the Sabbath?

[guevaraj]

Not sure of your point, because it’s clear that the old covenant has ended, being replaced with a new and better covenant. And the Decalogue WAS the old covenant, on two tables of stone. The two love commands replaced the old ten.

Brother, those that accept "the error of the lawless" want to love disobeying the ten commandments when God started to show us how to love with the ten commandments. The new covenant does not end the ten commandments but adds to them for a "surpassing glory" than the previous "glory" of the ten commandments. "Surpassing" means more than not less than the ten commandments.

Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! (2 Corinthians 3:7-11 NIV)​

United in our hope for the return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[klutedavid]

Oh, you are faith only, and no need to do good, we will go to heaven regardless?

By Grace only.

We are reconciled to the Father through Jesus Christ. That reconciliation is not something that we have a hand in.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Anyone who states that we are saved because of obedience to some set of commandments. Is in direct conflict with what Paul said above.

We are not saved as a result of our works.

Our obedience to God's commandments defines our reward.

1 John 3:23
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Acts 2:21
And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

If you disagree that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Then state that in clear language.

 

[klutedavid]

Revelations 22:12-14
12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

Read that verse again.

"and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work"

Someone is not listening.

We are not judged as I previously quoted and we are rewarded for our works.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Read that verse again.

"and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work"

Someone is not listening.

We are not judged as I previously quoted and we are rewarded for our works.

Matthew 7:21-23

 

[klutedavid]

Brother, we are now "circumcised of the heart". God told us it would change and now it has changed.

The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live. (Deuteronomy 30:6 NIV)​

Promised was above what has now come true below.

No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person's praise is not from other people, but from God. (Romans 2:29 NIV)​

"It is written" that those of us who have "come in" are "part" of "all Israel", no longer Gentiles but Israelites.

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. (Romans 11:25-31 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

There is a line that you should read before your quotation of Romans 11:25-31.

Romans 11:23
And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Your quotation is a conditional narration based on Israel actually believing in Jesus Christ. If they do not continue in unbelief!

 

[klutedavid]

Matthew 7:21-23

You might want to explain exactly how you understand, what is written in Matthew 7:21-23.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

Are these the words of Jesus?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You might want to explain exactly how you understand, what is written in Matthew 7:21-23.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

Are these the words of Jesus?

Love God and your neighbor...Torah

 

[Kenny'sID]

By Grace only.

We are reconciled to the Father through Jesus Christ. That reconciliation is not something that we have a hand in.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Anyone who states that we are saved because of obedience to some set of commandments. Is in direct conflict with what Paul said above.

We are not saved as a result of our works.

Our obedience to God's commandments defines our reward.

1 John 3:23
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Acts 2:21
And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

If you disagree that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Then state that in clear language.

So, what was the answer to my question? I didn't really see it among your reply.

 

[Aussie Pete]

We are saved by grace, but God clearly asks us to obey His law. Grace alone will not save you. God asks us us to "do". Why is there so many references in the bible on Gods law? This includes the 4th Commandment that is the only Commandment that references "Holy" and "Blessed". The only one that starts with the word "Remember" and yet every seems to think this is the one Commandment that was done away with. God wrote his Holy law on stone to be everlasting. This is not just the Lord's day it was also made for man Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

Gods law/commandments is repeated over and over. Take a look for yourself. If it wasn't that important to God, it would not be written in the Bible so many times. Here are just a few- I am not sure how it can get more clearer than these scriptures.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Mathew 5:19
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Mathew 19:17
So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.

2 John 1:6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

John 14:21
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

God requires obedience, but it's not slavish obedience to a set of rules. Lord Jesus demonstrated that often. If you want to keep the Sabbath you have to obey all the law, which is impossible. There is no temple for you to offer sacrifices. Feel free to live in the shadow (the law). I'll live in the light (grace and truth).

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

God requires obedience, but it's not slavish obedience to a set of rules. Lord Jesus demonstrated that often. If you want to keep the Sabbath you have to obey all the law, which is impossible. There is no temple for you to offer sacrifices. Feel free to live in the shadow (the law). I'll live in the light (grace and truth).

No one ever could keep the entire law so your point is moot. Also, parts of the law were still kept after the 1st Temple was destroyed, so again, your point is moot.

 

[Aussie Pete]

No one ever could keep the entire law so your point is moot. Also, parts of the law were still kept after the 1st Temple was destroyed, so again, your point is moot.

You are correct, and that is exactly my point.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God requires obedience, but it's not slavish obedience to a set of rules. Lord Jesus demonstrated that often. If you want to keep the Sabbath you have to obey all the law, which is impossible. There is no temple for you to offer sacrifices. Feel free to live in the shadow (the law). I'll live in the light (grace and truth).

Which part of the law can we not obey? There is nothing slavish about Gods law. If that's what God wanted he would have never gave us free will. What we cannot do on our own, He can and will if we ask Him. "live in the shadow (the law). I'll live in the light (grace and truth)" those are your words not Gods.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You are correct, and that is exactly my point.

Your point is you can't keep them so why try? God wants us to try. He will help you if you make an honest effort to.

 

[klutedavid]

Love God and your neighbor...Torah

We have to believe in the name of Jesus Christ. Rather than the generic term 'God'. Also, the love in the law was according to how you loved yourself. The new command of love was according to how Jesus loved us. That is, unconditional love.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

 

[klutedavid]

Which part of the law can we not obey? There is nothing slavish about Gods law. If that's what God wanted he would have never gave us free will. What we cannot do on our own, He can and will if we ask Him. "live in the shadow (the law). I'll live in the light (grace and truth)" those are your words not Gods.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Are you stating that to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Is not a commandment from God?

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ...

Is that a commandment or not?

 

[klutedavid]

Your point is you can't keep them so why try? God wants us to try. He will help you if you make an honest effort to.

All the law does is grant you the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:20
Because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

The ten words only reveal how much you fail to obey the law.

How many times do you need to be told. That is all the law is good for.

 

[klutedavid]

So, what was the answer to my question? I didn't really see it among your reply.

You may need glasses.

Here is what you asked.

'Oh, you are faith only, and no need to do good, we will go to heaven regardless?'

My answer, Grace only.

Without grace you have nothing.

 

[Kenny'sID]

You may need glasses.

Here is what you asked.

'Oh, you are faith only, and no need to do good, we will go to heaven regardless?'

My answer, Grace only.

Without grace you have nothing.

Then you are saying yes doing good is not necessary, as grace is sufficient?

Is there a reason you couldnt simply answer yes to my question? Assuming that is your answer, that is.

 

[RickReads]

Is there any evidence in the Bible indicating that evangelized Gentiles are expected to keep the Sabbath? If not, is there any scriptural evidence against it? Or are the Scriptures rather silent in this regard?

Colossians 2 King James Version (KJV)
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Bottom line is: you can keep or not keep. Sabbath keeping doesn`t save you.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You are correct, and that is exactly my point.

Well no, people could keep the law, just no one had to or could keep ALL of it. Also parts of the law were kept even though there was no Temple...