To Cease or to Continue, that is the Question

[Jesus is YHWH]

And this same Jesus said to his disciples:

John 14:12 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.

Yet Paul couldn't heal himself of his own infirmity.

And that promise was to His disciples.

 

[John Mullally]

and healing may be when we die and are with Christ. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

I am still waiting for your rationalization for why Matthew 8:17 does not apply.

Yet Paul couldn't heal himself of his own infirmity.

And that promise was to His disciples.

Still waiting....

 

[Guojing]

And this same Jesus said to his disciples:

John 14:12 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.

Yes, Peter's shadow healed many as he walked past. And when Paul needed signs to convince the Jews his apostleship was legitimate, he could send handkerchiefs to heal all kinds of diseases too.

So the real question is, "Do you think Jesus was speaking to you in John 14:12, or for those who will be preaching to Israel the gospel of the kingdom"?

If your answer is yes, as expected, then what about when he promised in Matthew 19:28 that "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

Is that promise also for you as well?

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

I am still waiting for your rationalization for why Matthew 8:17 does not apply.

Still waiting....

Simple Jesus healing diseases confirmed He was the promised Messiah. Those miracles confirmed who He was as the Messiah. They were the outwards sign whereas sin was the inward sign to the people. He forgave those He healed of their sins. Go now and sin no more.

That passage in Isaiah 53 is so misused and abused. The only groups I know of with that view are the Pentecostals/Charismatics , Snake Handlers etc.....

hope this helps !!!

 

[John Mullally]

Let me help you, Matthew 8:17 says that healing is a fulfillment of Isaiah 53. Redemption from sin is another application of Isaiah 53. It is not abuse to accept the clear interpretation of the Word of the Lord. If no one in your group believes Matthew 8:17, it is time to join another group. Although I would say that snake handling is not scriptural.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Let me help you, Matthew 8:17 says that healing is a fulfillment of Isaiah 53. Redemption from sin is another application. It is not abuse to accept the clear interpretation of the Word of the Lord. If no one in your group believes Matthew 8:17, it is time to join another group. Although I would say that snake handling is not scriptural.

and disease is a synonym for sin

 

[John Mullally]

and disease is a synonym for sin

Disease is related to sin because it began after the fall - but they are entirely two different things. Not all disease is caused by one's own sins - otherwise babys would never get sick.

It is obvious that Matthew 8:17 is talking about redemption from sickness.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Disease is related to sin because it began after the fall - but they are entirely two different things. Not all disease is caused by one's own sins - otherwise babys would never get sick.

It is obvious that Matthew 8:17 is talking about redemption from sickness.

yet all ones sins are forgiven past present and future but why are believers sick with cancer, heart disease,blindness, leukemia etc..... yet never get physically healed ?

Are you claiming God heals everyone but its the believers fault why they are not healed form their sicknesses ?

 

[John Mullally]

yet all ones sins are forgiven past present and future but why are believers sick with cancer, heart disease,blindness, leukemia etc..... yet never get physically healed ?

Are you claiming God heals everyone but its the believers fault why they are not healed form their sicknesses ?

We walk by faith for our healing, just as we walk by faith for our forgiveness. As you yourself asserted by quoting James 5:14 which includes a "will recover" portion - it may take a while.

2 Corinthians 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

We walk by faith for our healing, just as we walk by faith for our forgiveness. As you yourself asserted by quoting James 5:14 which includes a "will recover" portion - it may take a while.

2 Corinthians 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.

so someone born blind lacks faith for healing

It wasn't Gods will for them to be blind correct ?

 

[John Mullally]

so someone born blind lacks faith for healing

It wasn't Gods will for them to be blind correct ?

I am not getting you with the "so someone born blind lacks faith for healing".

Concerned being born blind - I am sure you have read John 9. John 9 is one of many applications of Jesus destroying the works of the devil. The church is the body of Christ, so we should be in that business as well.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

I am not getting you with the "so someone born blind lacks faith for healing".

Concerned being born blind - I am sure you have read John 9. John 9 is one of many applications of Jesus destroying the works of the devil. The church is the body of Christ, so we should be in that business as well.

Exodus 4:11
11 The Lord said to him, "Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes him mute or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?

 

[John Mullally]

yet all ones sins are forgiven past present and future but why are believers sick with cancer, heart disease,blindness, leukemia etc..... yet never get physically healed ?

Are you claiming God heals everyone but its the believers fault why they are not healed form their sicknesses ?

1 John 1:9 indicates that sin is a problem that believers need to address on an ongoing basis. If salvation included forgiveness of future sins, then why is 1 John 1:9 in the Bible? Why does Jesus in Revelations implore some local churches to return their first love? Check your theology.

 

[Francis Drake]

and healing may be when we die and are with Christ. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Claiming that someone has been healed when they've actually died is one of the biggest frauds the church perpetrates on grieving family members.

Obviously, it's a comfort to tell people their loved one is now with the Lord, but don't pretend it's an honest answer to prayers for healing of a sick or wounded body.
This is especially true when it's a child that should have their whole life ahead of them.

Alongside all setting people free spiritually, from demons etc. Jesus constantly demonstrated that he healed the physical body, and when healing is talked about in scripture, it means healing the physical body.
There are other scriptures about wounded spirits, but that's a different subject.

Ultimately, nowhere do we see scripture claiming that a person is healed when he's just died. That's just a practice of con merchant Christians

You can usually tell its a lie when the body starts to stink after a day or two.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Claiming that someone has been healed when they've actually died is one of the biggest frauds the church perpetrates on grieving family members.

Obviously, it's a comfort to tell people their loved one is now with the Lord, but don't pretend it's an honest answer to prayers for healing of a sick or wounded body.

Alongside all setting people free spiritually, from demons etc. Jesus constantly demonstrated that he healed the physical body, and when healing is talked about in scripture, it means healing the physical body.
There are other scriptures about wounded spirits, but that's a different subject.

Ultimately, nowhere do we see scripture claiming that a person is healed when he's just died. That's just a practice of con merchant Christians

You can usually tell its a lie when the body starts to stink after a day or two.

and they get a new body in the Resurrection. to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

the biggest lie is leading someone to believe God will heal them of their terminal illness.

We are dying from sin, sickness and disease from birth.

That is Bible 101.

That tells me ones mind is on earthly things, this life, this world is not our home. We are foreigners in this world.

Jesus healing's were prophesied as the Messiah and were proof of His claims.

 

[John Mullally]

Exodus 4:11
11 The Lord said to him, "Who has made man's mouth? Or who makes him mute or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?

Here goes that Apostle John sounding off like a prosperity preacher.

3 John 2:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

and they get a new body in the Resurrection. to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

the biggest lie is leading someone to believe God will heal them of their terminal illness.

We are dying from sin, sickness and disease from birth.

That is Bible 101.

Here goes that Apostle John sounding off like a prosperity preacher:

3 John 2:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

by all means believe in the health and wealth, name it claim it prosperity false doctrines thats your choice.

If I get sick its Gods will, simple as that. Nothings happens outside of Gods will for a believer.

You guys can have your false teachers like hinn and copeland. They are not from God.

 

[John Mullally]

If I get sick its Gods will, simple as that.

Does that mean you have changed your mind and have decided to throw out James 5:14 that you recently quoted on here? You would not want to pray against God's Will.

 

[Francis Drake]

Yet Paul couldn't heal himself of his own infirmity.

That was a demonic attack, a messenger of Satan. Nowhere does it say Paul didn't get healed. It's a lesson in how that healing took place, through deliverance from demons.

2Cor12v7..........Therefore, that I should not become conceited, a thorn in my flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan, that he might buffet me, so that I should not become conceited.

Paul was a theological scholar, and the above is obviously a reference to the OT.-
Numbers33v55“ ‘But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, those you allow to remain will become barbs in your eyes and thorns in your flesh. They will give you trouble in the land where you will live. 56And then I will do to you what I plan to do to them.’ ”

As can be seen, it was the responsibility of the Israelites to clear their new home of the enemy, and not to whine at God to do it for them. If they didn't get off their butts and fight, God just left them under the thumb of their enemies.
Likewise Christians today when it comes to demonic attacks.

Back to Paul's problems.
8Three times I begged the Lord for this, that it might depart from me. 9And He said to me, “My grace suffices you, for the power is perfected in weakness.”
This is entirely consistent with the OT and it took Paul three failed attempts to persuade God before he realised it.
The grace of God simply refers to the almighty spiritual power we have as sons of the king of kings. It has nothing to do with our personal prowess or training. Even a child can do it, as young David showed with Goliath, and as I have seen when small children cast demons out of people.

Therefore will I boast rather most gladly in my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10Therefore I take pleasure in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, and difficulties for Christ; for when I might be weak, then I am strong.

And it's the same today, as I have found in over 40 years of casting demons out of Christians.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Does that mean you have changed your mind and have decided to throw out James 5:14 that you recently quoted on here? You would not want to pray against God's Will.

I'm against faith healers, and the individual gift of healing not the elders praying over the sick. Does God still heal? yes.

Personally I would rather die of sickness and be with the Lord than be here. This world is not my home and I'm just passing through.

hope this helps !!!