Covenant and New Covenant theology

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Paul is talking about forgiveness, atonement. I would like to ask you one simple question, please don't do as others on this forum, and refuse to answer.

According to the Holy scriptures, "What was the only way for sins to be forgiven from Moses to John the Baptist"?

I will wait for your answer, and thank you for the discussion.

This was the only question you directed to me in your reply correct? Hope I didn't miss any of the other questions you may have.

I already stated

By the time Mount Sinai arrived, God commanded the nation Israel to follow the Law of Moses, while providing a system of animal sacrifices whenever they fail to follow it perfectly. As long as the nation kept offering burnt sacrifices and try to keep the Law, God sees that as faith in him too.

That instruction continue to apply to the nation Israel, when Jesus was with them in the 4 gospels.

As Peter would remind Israel in Acts 3:19-21, as well as 1 Peter 1:9, and 1 Peter 4:17-19, their sins will only be finally forgiven at the end when Jesus returns for the nation in his 2nd coming. In the meantime, those animal sacrifices will cover their sins.
 
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Romans to Philemon were written to the Body of Christ
Hebrews to Revelations were written to the nation Israel.

Learn to rightly divide the word of truth.
This unsupported assertion is just nonsense and is contrary to all Biblical scholarship that I have ever seen.

People who accuse others of not "rightly dividing" scripture, are those with beliefs set in concrete and anyone that opposes their precious beliefs, haven't understood what the Bible says. A very pretentious and arrogant attitude, that makes discussion with such people a fruitless exercise.
 
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This unsupported assertion is just nonsense and is contrary to all Biblical scholarship that I have ever seen.

People who accuse others of not "rightly dividing" scripture, are those with beliefs set in concrete and anyone that opposes their precious beliefs, haven't understood what the Bible says. A very pretentious and arrogant attitude, that makes discussion with such people a fruitless exercise.

I am just stating my belief, I don't insist that it is the truth nor condemn you if you don't share the same belief. You are free to disagree.
 
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What Law was to point the Jews to their Savior?
When I say "Law"....I'm not referring to a command...I mean the Law & Prophets...the ancient Hebrew Scriptures.

Galatians 3:24 ~ Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.
 
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I am just stating my belief, I don't insist that it is the truth nor condemn you if you don't share the same belief. You are free to disagree.
I do disagree with your beliefs, because the doctrine of the Church being taken off the earth and the Jews experiencing the Great Tribulation in the final period of this age, the Two Peoples, Two Promises theory, is simply not supported by scripture.
I know it is extensively taught as what many people think God plans to do, but if it isn't what the Bible actually says; why believe it?
 
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I do disagree with your beliefs, because the doctrine of the Church being taken off the earth and the Jews experiencing the Great Tribulation in the final period of this age, the Two Peoples, Two Promises theory, is simply not supported by scripture.
I know it is extensively taught as what many people think God plans to do, but if it isn't what the Bible actually says; why believe it?

When you discuss doctrine among Internet forums long enough, you will realized this, people rarely change their minds once they form doctrine clear enough for them to explain it in writing.

So "what the Bible actually says" differs depending on different people, we all interpret the Bible differently based on how we were taught by others and in churches.
 
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When you discuss doctrine among Internet forums long enough, you will realized this, people rarely change their minds once they form doctrine clear enough for them to explain it in writing.

So "what the Bible actually says" differs depending on different people, we all interpret the Bible differently based on how we were taught by others and in churches.
As I have been posting on many forums for over 10 years now, I know how right you are.
I view my discussions with you as me presenting Bible truths to just another person with set beliefs that I have no hope of changing.
But I keep on doing it as at the least, you have read the scriptures and just possibly the holy Spirit will open your eyes to understand the truths of God's Plans for our future.
It isn't me; I'm just a messenger, who will be proved right when the end times events take place, but God's Prophets who will be vindicated.

BTW, guojing; you are the most persistent and intransigent promotor of theories about Israel and the Church, I have seen yet. Most fade away when asked to prove their belief of 2P,2P.
[I know a little mandarin Chinese: jing, means light, or mirror. What is guo?]
 
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As I have been posting on many forums for over 10 years now, I know how right you are.
I view my discussions with you as me presenting Bible truths to just another person with set beliefs that I have no hope of changing.
But I keep on doing it as at the least, you have read the scriptures and just possibly the holy Spirit will open your eyes to understand the truths of God's Plans for our future.
It isn't me; I'm just a messenger, who will be proved right when the end times events take place, but God's Prophets who will be vindicated.

BTW, guojing; you are the most persistent and intransigent promotor of theories about Israel and the Church, I have seen yet. Most fade away when asked to prove their belief of 2P,2P.
[I know a little mandarin Chinese: jing, means light, or mirror. What is guo?]

For my case, I participate in forums more to understand how others form the doctrine that they have.

I also believe that, by putting what you believe, in clear exposition, you are the one that really learn the most. That is my philosophy in teaching too.

I think by now, I have quoted so much more from the Bible as I ever did before I started explaining doctrine, memorized where many verses are located, and I learn so much more about the content of both the OT and NT. ^_^

Guojing is the main character from the kungfu novel "Legend of the Condor Heroes", a popular Chinese novel by Jin Yong. Cantonese speakers will know him as Kwok Jing. Guo Jing - Wikipedia
 
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For my case, I participate in forums more to understand how others form the doctrine that they have.

I also believe that, by putting what you believe, in clear exposition, you are the one that really learn the most. That is my philosophy in teaching too.

I think by now, I have quoted so much more from the Bible as I ever did before I started explaining doctrine, memorized where many verses are located, and I learn so much more about the content of both the OT and NT.


Have you been able to see the errors in C.R. Stam's doctrine while participating of this forum, or will you continue to repeat his errors?

During the last ten years I have had to change what I once believed about the Bible because it came from men, and it did not agree with the scriptures.
How about you?


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

The New Covenant: Bob George

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Have you been able to see the errors in C.R. Stam's doctrine while participating of this forum, or will you continue to repeat his errors?

During the last ten years I have had to change what I once believed about the Bible because it came from men, and it did not agree with the scriptures.
How about you?


Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

The New Covenant: Bob George

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I did change my mind over cessationism vs continualism over the last few years. =)
 
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This was the only question you directed to me in your reply correct? Hope I didn't miss any of the other questions you may have.

I already stated

By the time Mount Sinai arrived, God commanded the nation Israel to follow the Law of Moses, while providing a system of animal sacrifices whenever they fail to follow it perfectly. As long as the nation kept offering burnt sacrifices and try to keep the Law, God sees that as faith in him too.

That instruction continue to apply to the nation Israel, when Jesus was with them in the 4 gospels.

As Peter would remind Israel in Acts 3:19-21, as well as 1 Peter 1:9, and 1 Peter 4:17-19, their sins will only be finally forgiven at the end when Jesus returns for the nation in his 2nd coming. In the meantime, those animal sacrifices will cover their sins.

I think you are making the same mistake the Pharisees made regarding the Covenant God made with Levi on Israel's behalf.

God "ADDED" to His Laws, Commandments, and Statutes a Covenant with Levi to provide for the forgiveness of sins which included sacrificial "works". A Covenant Abraham was not subject to, but the Children of Israel were. God didn't make this Covenant on Israel's behalf when HE brought them out of Egypt. But "ADDED" this Law, because of Transgressions.

Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

It was because they had built and worshiped another god that God "ADDED" the Law of atonement, by Covenant given exclusively to Levi.

Mal. 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. (Ex. 32:26, please read it)

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his (God's) mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

So what did this Same Christ do?

Heb. 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, (Levite Priests who were leading folks astray) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

It was the Covenant God made with Levi that the Christ promised to change in Jer. 31.

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

No more Levite Priests to have exclusive ownership of the Book of the Law. God Himself will provide for the administration of HIS Word. And what do you know, HIS Word is in almost every home in the world, on the web, in almost every store. Truly we need not seek out a Levite Priest to read God's Word for us. For we all shall know Him from the least to the greatest.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

No more Levite Priest to take an animal too. No more "Works of the Law" for justification of the flesh. God Himself provides for atonement.

But The Priests, who Jesus said were children of the devil, who defiled the Covenant God made with them, didn't believe their Priesthood was separate from God's Commandments, Statutes and Laws. They clumped the Laws which defined sin, with the Added Law which provided for the atonement of sins.

So then to them, keeping the Law of Moses meant bringing an animal to the Levite Priest for justification. To not follow these "works of the Law" was a sin against God according to them.

Paul spent much of the New Testament explaining that the flesh is not justified by these Priesthood "works of the law" of atonement.

"MANY" modern preachers also clump the Commandments, Statutes and Laws of God with the Added Levitical Priesthood as well. They preach falsely that if the Law regarding who could hold the office of the Priesthood changed, then the entire Law of God which defines Righteousness, Holy and Clean also changed. They falsely preach that if the slaughter of animals for the atonement of sins became obsolete, then all of God's Laws given in the OT have also become obsolete.

They don't consider that the Christ knew HE would take over the Priesthood "After those days" when HE Separated Levi from all the other peoples of the world, and gave him the Priesthood Covenant. These "works of the law" were always supposed to be temporary, but God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments are always eternal.

This is why Heb. 7-10, which speaks to the promised New Covenant, never mentions any other Law than the Priesthood given to Levi.

The preaching that there is no division between the Levitical Priesthood and God's definition of Righteousness, is a cleaver, subtle deception that has snared many. My hope is that someone might consider this and look into it themselves, as opposed to just believing the doctrines and traditions of religious men. A practice Jesus Himself warned of several times.
 
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They don't consider that the Christ knew HE would take over the Priesthood "After those days" when HE Separated Levi from all the other peoples of the world, and gave him the Priesthood Covenant. These "works of the law" were always supposed to be temporary, but God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments are always eternal.

This is why Heb. 7-10, which speaks to the promised New Covenant, never mentions any other Law than the Priesthood given to Levi.



Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18, but are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Sion in Hebrews 12:22-24.


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I think you are making the same mistake the Pharisees made regarding the Covenant God made with Levi on Israel's behalf.

God "ADDED" to His Laws, Commandments, and Statutes a Covenant with Levi to provide for the forgiveness of sins which included sacrificial "works". A Covenant Abraham was not subject to, but the Children of Israel were. God didn't make this Covenant on Israel's behalf when HE brought them out of Egypt. But "ADDED" this Law, because of Transgressions.

Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

It was because they had built and worshiped another god that God "ADDED" the Law of atonement, by Covenant given exclusively to Levi.

Mal. 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. (Ex. 32:26, please read it)

6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his (God's) mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

So what did this Same Christ do?

Heb. 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, (Levite Priests who were leading folks astray) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

It was the Covenant God made with Levi that the Christ promised to change in Jer. 31.

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

No more Levite Priests to have exclusive ownership of the Book of the Law. God Himself will provide for the administration of HIS Word. And what do you know, HIS Word is in almost every home in the world, on the web, in almost every store. Truly we need not seek out a Levite Priest to read God's Word for us. For we all shall know Him from the least to the greatest.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

No more Levite Priest to take an animal too. No more "Works of the Law" for justification of the flesh. God Himself provides for atonement.

But The Priests, who Jesus said were children of the devil, who defiled the Covenant God made with them, didn't believe their Priesthood was separate from God's Commandments, Statutes and Laws. They clumped the Laws which defined sin, with the Added Law which provided for the atonement of sins.

So then to them, keeping the Law of Moses meant bringing an animal to the Levite Priest for justification. To not follow these "works of the Law" was a sin against God according to them.

Paul spent much of the New Testament explaining that the flesh is not justified by these Priesthood "works of the law" of atonement.

"MANY" modern preachers also clump the Commandments, Statutes and Laws of God with the Added Levitical Priesthood as well. They preach falsely that if the Law regarding who could hold the office of the Priesthood changed, then the entire Law of God which defines Righteousness, Holy and Clean also changed. They falsely preach that if the slaughter of animals for the atonement of sins became obsolete, then all of God's Laws given in the OT have also become obsolete.

They don't consider that the Christ knew HE would take over the Priesthood "After those days" when HE Separated Levi from all the other peoples of the world, and gave him the Priesthood Covenant. These "works of the law" were always supposed to be temporary, but God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments are always eternal.

This is why Heb. 7-10, which speaks to the promised New Covenant, never mentions any other Law than the Priesthood given to Levi.

The preaching that there is no division between the Levitical Priesthood and God's definition of Righteousness, is a cleaver, subtle deception that has snared many. My hope is that someone might consider this and look into it themselves, as opposed to just believing the doctrines and traditions of religious men. A practice Jesus Himself warned of several times.

okay, exactly which point of mine are you disagreeing with?
 
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When I say "Law"....I'm not referring to a command...I mean the Law & Prophets...the ancient Hebrew Scriptures.

Galatians 3:24 ~ Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.

But Paul isn't taking about the Law and Prophets. He is talking about a Law which was "ADDED" because of Transgressions. A LAW ADDED till the SEED should Come. A Law of justification that Abraham didn't have.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Jesus was sinless, HE never transgressed even one of God's Commandments. Had HE broken God's Laws, HE would not have been able to "minister the Spirit". The entire reason why this man Jesus qualified to pay for my sins is because HE was obedient to God's Laws unto death.

So what are these "works of the Law" for justification that the Jews were still bewitching people with? Were they trying to get the New Converts to "Love the Lord with all their hearts? To "Love their neighbor as themselves"?

Of course not. These Jews were disobedient to God as Jesus Himself told us over and over. They were "children of the devil". So what "works of the Law" were these Jews still promoting?

Consider this.

Jesus forgave people their sins without having even once sprinkled blood on the alter. He never went inside the veil to the mercy seat. He forgave the sins of the people "apart from" the Works of the Law of atonement given by Covenant to Levi.

HE shed His own Blood once and for all.

But the Jews didn't believe this. They were still promoting these "works" of the Levitical Priesthood for atonement. A man could not become righteous without atonement. They were still seeking righteousness by the "works of the Law" of atonement. This Covenant with Levi is the LAW that was ADDED because of Transgression. It was a Temporary LAW from it's conception because the Christ that gave this Covenant to Levi knew HE would become the High Priest "After those days". So this "ADDED" Priesthood was to be in force "Till the SEED should Come" to whom the Priesthood "works" pointed. Once the Christ Came, there was no longer a Need for these "works of the Law", so they became obsolete.

The Mainstream preachers of Jesus time, refused to Separate this "ADDED" temporary Law from the eternal Commandments, Statutes and Laws God "ADDED" this Priesthood too. Modern religions do the same thing.

Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

No! These atonement "works" were added because of Transgressions.

23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

And this same Christ prophesied of a time when we would go back to this righteousness.

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Gal. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? (works of the Law) It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
 
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Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Look, I know I'm bucking popular religious traditions here. Traditions that many hold precious. So precious in fact, that they purposely omit any scripture which might bring their religious doctrines into question.

You have provided a perfect example of this. Many post this scriptures in support of the popular religious belief that God changed HIS entire Judgment, and changed His definition of Righteousness and all His Laws.

But had you included the next 3 verses, this belief is exposed as untrue. Because not only does the Hebrews author identify exactly the Law that changed, he also defines perfectly why it changed.

Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

God Separated Levi from all the peoples of the World, and from the inheritance of Israel, and Gave Him an exclusive Covenant on Israel's behalf. In this "ADDED" Law, no one but a Levite could become the High Priest of God. So for Jesus, from Judah, to become our High Priest, it became Necessary to change the Law which determines who can partake of the Priesthood of God.

It's right there in the verses you didn't post.


Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Absolutely. It doesn't matter what religious men say, what this religious franchise or that religious franchise preaches, let no man judge us in our obedience to God. Because these things are Shadows of events which have yet to be fulfilled. These are from the Christ, not religious man. As Paul also warns.

Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

We are not to let the "other voice" in the garden convince us to turn away from this same Christ.

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

See what happens when we consider "Every Word of God"?

We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18, but are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Sion in Hebrews 12:22-24.

Heb. 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Great scriptures, thank you for posting them.
 
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This Covenant with Levi is the LAW that was ADDED because of Transgression. It was a Temporary LAW from it's conception because the Christ that gave this Covenant to Levi knew HE would become the High Priest "After those days". So this "ADDED" Priesthood was to be in force "Till the SEED should Come" to whom the Priesthood "works" pointed. Once the Christ Came, there was no longer a Need for these "works of the Law", so they became obsolete.
Ah, okay. That makes sense. That clarifies a lot. Thank you.
 
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"MANY" modern preachers also clump the Commandments, Statutes and Laws of God with the Added Levitical Priesthood as well. They preach falsely that if the Law regarding who could hold the office of the Priesthood changed, then the entire Law of God which defines Righteousness, Holy and Clean also changed. They falsely preach that if the slaughter of animals for the atonement of sins became obsolete, then all of God's Laws given in the OT have also become obsolete
But wait.....are you implying that the only thing from the Mosaic Covenant that is obsolete is the Priesthood? Are you suggesting that it's a requirement to "keep the Sabbath holy"? Because Paul also contrasts the Law written on stone with the law written on hearts:

2 Corinthians 3:3 ~ You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
 
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Look, I know I'm bucking popular religious traditions here. Traditions that many hold precious. So precious in fact, that they purposely omit any scripture which might bring their religious doctrines into question.


Paul reveals the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant in Galatians 3:16-29.
Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.


In Galatians 4:24-31 Paul discusses two covenants, and compelled the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".


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okay, exactly which point of mine are you disagreeing with?

When Paul speaks of the "works or deeds of the law" for justification, he is speaking to the Levitical Priesthood atonement laws.

Rom. 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

It seems you were clumping the Covenant God made with Levi regarding atonement, with God's eternal Laws, Commandments, and Statutes God gave to Abraham, and then to his children. Treating them as the same Law.

The Mainstream Preachers of Paul's time were still promoting these Priesthood "Works" for atonement as necessary to become righteous. A man can't have sin on him and be righteous. The sin must first be forgiven. These Jews didn't believe Jesus became their prophesied High Priest. So they were still seeking righteousness by these Priesthood "works of the Law", and not by Faith in the Christ as this Law was intended to promote.

Paul is pointing out to them that Abraham was considered Righteous by God, yet not because he took an animal to the Levite Priest to perform sacrificial "works" in order to become righteous. This LAW was not "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham obeyed God's Laws, Statutes, and Commandments.
 
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When Paul speaks of the "works or deeds of the law" for justification, he is speaking to the Levitical Priesthood atonement laws.

Rom. 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

It seems you were clumping the Covenant God made with Levi regarding atonement, with God's eternal Laws, Commandments, and Statutes God gave to Abraham, and then to his children. Treating them as the same Law.

The Mainstream Preachers of Paul's time were still promoting these Priesthood "Works" for atonement as necessary to become righteous. A man can't have sin on him and be righteous. The sin must first be forgiven. These Jews didn't believe Jesus became their prophesied High Priest. So they were still seeking righteousness by these Priesthood "works of the Law", and not by Faith in the Christ as this Law was intended to promote.

Paul is pointing out to them that Abraham was considered Righteous by God, yet not because he took an animal to the Levite Priest to perform sacrificial "works" in order to become righteous. This LAW was not "ADDED" until 430 years after Abraham obeyed God's Laws, Statutes, and Commandments.

In the first place, I didn’t quote Paul in that answer to your question.

I quoted peter telling Israel in acts 3:19-21, when their sins will finally be remitted.
 
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