Clarence Larkin Charts

[Timtofly]

Ive just been going through the Larkin Youtube. No doubt about his talent. Pity about the theology.

As for Israel being a nation again, there were others who also expected that. The big difference was that they believed, and still do, that the Jews are being positioned for a revival back to Messiah. Dispensationalists however, place Jews in an elite position during the millennium. It is based on race and anti New Testament.

Not any more than Revelation 7 declaring 12 established tribes. It is location, location, location. It is not based on the church and the spiritual covenant. If amil would step back and see that God is not finished with the physical earth, and that God has a remnant from every nation on earth via the harvest of the sheep and the wheat. The wheat makes up all those from every nation that God chose to live in the Lord's Day. The spiritual covenant is about Paradise. The physical covenant is with earthly Jerusalem.

It is not about race nor really Adam's descendants after the Second Coming. It is the Lord's Day for God to do as He pleases.

 

[Timtofly]

Is futurism today proud of its apostate heritage?

Is amil proud of removing a Lord's Day from history?

 

[jgr]

Is amil proud of removing a Lord's Day from history?

Mark 2:27.

What was removed?

 

[jgr]

100% of all Christians were at one time in their lives - non-Christians. And not one person is a Christian by happen stance, because no one comes to God unless God draws them, John 6:44. God has a time table for the Jews, en masse, to come to believe in Jesus - according to His Divine Will.

Israel the nation, is the nation God identifies by being blood descendants of Jacob. And since it was God who stated the miracle of a nation borne in a single day - God is the One who determined who Israel, the people of making up the descendants of Jacob, are. Let God do the thinking, and we doing the praise and the praying.

Genesis 17
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

Those weren't blood descendants of Jacob.

But they were fully members of the nation of Israel.

Because God identified and identifies His Chosen People by faith and obedience.

And nothing else.

 

[Timtofly]

Mark 2:27.

What was removed?

Spiritual understanding. Amil do not have a monopoly on the spiritual. In fact they go against all that is spiritual, by not including the physical as part of the spiritual. And applying the next Millennium to the present physical condition does not help. It muddies what is spiritual with a false physical condition. Mark 2:27 refutes your claim on what a Sabbath is. The first Lord's Day was 1000 years of spiritual and physical existence. It was allowed just for the sons of God to multiple and have dominion over the earth.

Sin and corruptible flesh ruined the Sabbath. In Exodus the command was, "thou shalt work 6 days". Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. After 6k years, will be the physical Sabbath of 1000 years. The same 1000 physical years and a day in heaven as the original Sabbath was 1000 years on earth and a day in heaven. Calling the next physical 1000 years, anything other than what God has planned it to be does not make spiritual sense. Amil do not have to interject their own fix to God's creation. They are forcing the Sabbath to be something it is not. The only fix was the day of Atonement. The church will be presented to God by the Lamb as complete and whole at the 6th seal. The final harvest will complete the punishment placed on Adam's descendants. This prepares the way for the final Sabbath. I agree,
27 And he said to them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
28 Wherefore the Son of man is Lord, even of the Sabbath.

The Lord's Day gives the Lord reign over the Sabbath to do as God pleases. Humans have no say, nor really any logical, spiritual or physical reasons why there will not be a Sabbath. It is not about the covenant made on Mt Sinai. It is all about the covenant with Adam and Abraham. Sin would come to an end, and Abraham was promised a physical peace among the Nations of the earth. Not for those dead in the past. The promise of Sabbath is for current humans living this very moment.

 

[BABerean2]

Israel the nation, is the nation God identifies by being blood descendants of Jacob.

And the fulfillment of that nation is found below in the first verse of the New Testament.

Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.


Do you think Paul was confused in the verses below?

1Ti_1:4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.


Why do you insist on ignoring Paul's instructions in the two verses above?

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[Douggg]

Genesis 17
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

Those weren't blood descendants of Jacob.

But they were fully members of the nation of Israel.

Because God identified and identifies His Chosen People by faith and obedience.

And nothing else.

Genesis 17:12 is that circumcision started with Abraham, not Jacob. Jacob, who's name was changed to Israel was Abraham's grandson.

And since it is God who brought the dry bones of Israel back to life and made them a nation again in one day - it is God who determines who is a Jew or not, and Israel, in that fulfillment.

 

[Douggg]

Why do you insist on ignoring Paul's instructions in the two verses above?

And since it is God who brought the dry bones of Israel back to life and made them a nation again in one day - it is God who determines who is a Jew or not, and Israel, in that fulfillment.

Covenant and New Covenant theology groups are ignoring what God has said and are coming up with their own rules. Israel over there is only there because God said it would be, by His Divine Will.

 

[BABerean2]

And since it is God who brought the dry bones of Israel back to life and made them a nation again in one day - it is God who determines who is a Jew or not, and Israel, in that fulfillment.

Claim: The “Dry Bones” of Ezekiel chapter 37 prove that God restored the land to the Jews during 1948.



Ezekiel begins the book in verse 1, of chapter 1, revealing that he is among the captives. Therefore, the land restoration that followed his time would have occurred when the Jews returned from captivity in Babylon, instead of 1948. The “dry bones” in the passage coming back to life can also refer to the future bodily resurrection, and judgment of the dead described by Christ in the passage below.


Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


There is also a deeper meaning found in the passage once we understand the purpose of the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which was fulfilled at Calvary.


In verse 14 God says He will put His spirit in the people. The Holy Spirit is an essential part of the New Covenant found below. What is circumcision of the heart?


Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;

Rom 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.


Notice what we find about Israel and Judah being not divided anymore in the verse below, and then compare it to the promise of the New Covenant.


Eze 37:19 say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD: "Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand." '


Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—



Were Israel and Judah put back together as one stick during 1948, or were they put back together when the New Covenant was ratified by the blood of Christ at Calvary?


Look at the verse below which refers to the people of God from Ezekiel and compare it to the New Covenant verse from Jeremiah.


Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.



Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.




Will King David be over Israel “forever”, or will it be David’s offspring who will sit on David’s throne, as revealed by Peter on the Day of Pentecost? What is the “everlasting” covenant found in Hebrews 13:20? It is found below in Ezekiel 37?


Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

Eze 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Eze 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.



Who is the “sanctuary” of the New Covenant, who will be with His people “forever” at the end of the Book of Revelation? Is it the Son of God, or is it David?


By making Ezekiel 37 about the modern State of Israel established by the God-less United Nations during 1948, modern Dispensational Theology has hidden the deeper meaning of the passage. Is the passage referring to the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary, or is it referring to 1948? Which interpretation reveals the Glory of God’s Son, who died to bring the house of Israel and the house of Judah back together into one stick, under the New Covenant fulfilled by His blood?



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[jgr]

Genesis 17:12 is that circumcision started with Abraham, not Jacob. Jacob, who's name was changed to Israel was Abraham's grandson.

And since it is God who brought the dry bones of Israel back to life and made them a nation again in one day - it is God who determines who is a Jew or not, and Israel, in that fulfillment.

Yes, faith and obedience began with Abraham, not Jacob.

The faithful and obedient, God preserved and blessed.

The unfaithful and disobedient, He slew by the thousands.

Their ancestry did not save them.

Never did, and never will.

 

[jgr]

It muddies what is spiritual with a false physical condition.

That is a perfectly precise description of premil.

1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Premil understanding of the Kingdom is the understanding of the natural man.

But it is a spiritual Kingdom (Luke 17:21) necessitating spiritual discernment.

 

[Douggg]

Claim: The “Dry Bones” of Ezekiel chapter 37 prove that God restored the land to the Jews during 1948.

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Ezekiel 38, prelude to Gog/Magog....

Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Then in Ezekiel 39:21-29, 7 years after Gog/Magog, and Jesus Himself speaking in the text having returned to earth.... impossible to be wrong.

Ezekiel 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.


Do any of the pastors in your videos recognize the above, that it is Jesus Himself speaking in the text?

No, they don't. Or else they would not be preaching what they preach.

 

[Timtofly]

That is a perfectly precise description of premil.

1 Corinthians 2
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Premil understanding of the Kingdom is the understanding of the natural man.

But it is a spiritual Kingdom (Luke 17:21) necessitating spiritual discernment.

No amil does away with the Word of God.

The kingdom is spiritual now. Why do you claim a physical one is also running concurrently? Amil are in error, and assert what does not need to be asserted.

A natural man claims Revelation 20 is not literal. They want nothing to do with God changing their physical reality.

 

[BABerean2]

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

Was the verse above fulfilled during the captivity in Babylon?


Why did you ignore the New Covenant fulfillment of Ezekiel 37?

Read Hebrews 8:6-13, if you want to see the fulfillment of the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah. Are they put back together under the New Covenant?

Why did James address his letter to "the twelve tribes" who were his "brethren" in the "faith"?
Was James confused, or are you confused about who is the true Israel?
Do you know the difference between the faithful "remnant" of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, and the Baal worshipers?
See 1 John 2:22-23, and 2 John 1:7-11, and Romans 2:28-29, and Revelation 3:9, if you are not sure.


Are those shouting "Replacement Theology" replacing the faithful remnant, with the Baal worshipers?

Did Larkin replace the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8?
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[Douggg]

Was the verse above fulfilled during the captivity in Babylon?

Ezekiel 39 is a continuation of Ezekiel 38 - which is "in the latter years". So the answer is no.

Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

 

[BABerean2]

Ezekiel 39 is a continuation of Ezekiel 38 - which is "in the latter years". So the answer is no.

Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Are you still ignoring the New Covenant fulfillment of Ezekiel 37?



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[keras]

Are you still ignoring the New Covenant fulfillment of Ezekiel 37?
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Why do you think that the prophecies of Ezekiel 37 are fulfilled?
Just a straightforward reading of that chapter, shows how that idea is impossible.

The Promises of God to His faithful people are not yet fulfilled and His Covenant with them is also not yet fully implemented.

 

[BABerean2]

Why do you think that the prophecies of Ezekiel 37 are fulfilled?
Just a straightforward reading of that chapter, shows how that idea is impossible.

The Promises of God to His faithful people are not yet fulfilled and His Covenant with them is also not yet fully implemented.

Your answer is found in the link below.

Clarence Larkin Charts


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[keras]

Your answer is found in the link below.

Clarence Larkin Charts
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A totally inadequate reply to my pointing out how the Promises of God to His people, have not been fulfilled yet.
CL did not have everything correct, that was impossible as he didn't live in the last days. Daniel 12:9

 

[BABerean2]

A totally inadequate reply to my pointing out how the Promises of God to His people, have not been fulfilled yet.

You are making a mockery of Christ's last words on the cross in John 19:30, if you think God did not fulfill His promises by sacrificing His Son at Calvary.
That promise is first found in Genesis 3:15.


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