Kylie's Pool Challenge, Mark II

[Speedwell]

Not how Christ describes it in Mark 7.
Not how John describes it in John 1 where the creation event is foundational to his gospel
Not how the Bible starts out -- for it too starts the reader off with the creation fact.

Nothing in the Bible says "this is all a lie except somehow... and for some unknown reason... God the Son died for your sins... forget the rest"... as I am sure we all know.

Now you are just being offensive and intentionally misrepresenting my beliefs as I have recently expressed them to you in this thread.

 

[Speedwell]

the very texts you claim are the most to be distrusted??

You are a bald-faced liar. I made no such claim.

 

[BobRyan]

Aren’t these descriptions supposedly inspired by a perfect god?

excellent point -- text itself claims God as its source. There is no way to downsize that into "somebody got it wrong and nobody noticed"

 

[BobRyan]

You are a bald-faced liar. I made no such claim.

hint -- that was my question... less emotionalism more fact please.

I saw you affirm the gospel - I never saw you affirm the Old Testament scriptures -- so aside from the emotionalism - did you want to point to a fact in your post?? Did I miss something?

 

[BobRyan]

The only truth of scripture is our salvation in Christ.

Not how Christ describes it in Mark 7:6-13.
Not how John describes it in John 1:1-5 where the creation event is foundational to his gospel
Not how the Bible starts out (Gen 1-3) -- for it too starts the reader off with the creation fact.

Nothing in the Bible says "this is all a lie except somehow... and for some unknown reason... God the Son died for your sins... forget the rest"... as I am sure we all know (Where this statement claims you also know this to be true - rather than claiming you make a false statement)

But that IS the sort of evangelism that yields diminishing results over time.
The kind of decline mentioned here - Tuesday at 9:52 PM #149
by outside observers

Now you are just being offensive and intentionally misrepresenting my beliefs as I have recently expressed them to you in this thread.

My view differs from yours - that is not grounds for "offense". Most certainly not on a Creation vs evolution thread.

Feel free to link to any clarification post you wish.

 

[Speedwell]

I saw you affirm the gospel - I never saw you affirm the Old Testament scriptures -- so aside from the emotionalism - did you want to point to a fact in your post?? Did I miss something?

You made the accusation. You back it up or back down.

 

[Speedwell]

Not how Christ describes it in Mark 7:6-13.
Not how John describes it in John 1:1-5 where the creation event is foundational to his gospel
Not how the Bible starts out (Gen 1-3) -- for it too starts the reader off with the creation fact.

Nothing in the Bible says "this is all a lie except somehow... and for some unknown reason... God the Son died for your sins... forget the rest"... as I am sure we all know.

But that IS the sort of evangelism that yields diminishing results over time.
The kind of decline mentioned here - Tuesday at 9:52 PM #149
by outside observers



My view differs from yours - that is not grounds for "offense". Most certainly not on a Creation vs evolution thread.

I expect our views to differ. What I did not expect from an SDA is how you misrepresent the views of others in order to be offensive.

 

[BobRyan]

I expect our views to differ. What I did not expect from an SDA is how you misrepresent the views of others in order to be offensive.

I was asking a question -- leaving it for you to clarify by answering it - rather than complaining that the question "exists"

 

[Speedwell]

I was asking a question -- leaving it for you to clarify by answering it - rather than complaining that the question "exists"

It was not so much a question as a slimy insinuation. Tell me then, which scriptures do I claim to distrust and where did I make that claim?

 

[AV1611VET]

The only truth of scripture is our salvation in Christ.

From what?

 

[AV1611VET]

The only truth of scripture is our salvation in Christ.

Is Israel the Promised Land?

 

[Speedwell]

Is Israel the Promised Land?

Israel is a secular state on the east coast of the Mediterranean Sea.

 

[BobRyan]

From what?

from the fall of mankind in the garden of Eden where our two sinless parents chose sin in a perfect paradise and were then cast out of the garden of Eden and without access to the Tree of Life - doomed to die of disease, predation, starvation, old age illnesses.. etc and then eventually the lake of fire in Rev 20 living in a world where Satan is "the god of this world" 2Cor 4:4 -- apart from the Gospel.

Such that now we are all born with fallen natures no longer the sinless nature of Adam and Eve

The only truth of scripture is our salvation in Christ.

salvation from what?

 

[BobRyan]

Not how Christ describes it in Mark 7:6-13.
Not how John describes it in John 1:1-5 where the creation event is foundational to his gospel
Not how the Bible starts out (Gen 1-3) -- for it too starts the reader off with the creation fact.

Nothing in the Bible says "this is all a lie except somehow... and for some unknown reason... God the Son died for your sins... forget the rest"... as I am sure we all know (Where this statement claims you also know this to be true - rather than claiming you make a false statement)

But that IS the sort of evangelism that yields diminishing results over time.
The kind of decline mentioned here - Tuesday at 9:52 PM #149
by outside observers

My view differs from yours - that is not grounds for "offense". Most certainly not on a Creation vs evolution thread.

Feel free to link to any clarification post you wish.

It was not so much a question as a slimy insinuation. Tell me then, which scriptures do I claim to distrust and where did I make that claim?

You have repeatedly argued that the the gospels were the part you are affirming

The only truth of scripture is our salvation in Christ.

did you just do it again?

 

[BobRyan]

I also have never met an SDA as hostile to Christians of other traditions as you.

False accusation much?

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
It does not prove everything BobRyan ever said is inspired of God.

And a great many people today - even atheists "quote the Bible" when it serves their purpose to do so - we don't claim that this makes atheists "inspired by God"..

No, but it proves the prophecy was true. The events of a prophecy made and its fulfillment prove it to be true.

And there was an account of the prophecy and its fulfillment in the NY Times.

Just as there are accounts of prophecies and their fulfillment in the Bible.

If the account of a prophecy and its fulfillment in the NY Times doesn't prove that the Times is the literal, inerrant and inspired Word of God,

why does the account of a prophecy and its fulfillment in the Bible prove that the Bible is the literal, inerrant and divinely inspired word of God?

The Bible claims that - fulfilled prophecy proves it. AS I pointed out above - the fact that an atheist newsletter finds it convenient at some point to quote a section of the Bible is not proof that the newsletter is inspired by God.

A lot of people do get that point by the way.

you are conflating the Bible - originating a prophetic claim that is later proven to be accurate - with someone else merely quoting the Bible for whatever purpose they may have.

 

[AV1611VET]

Israel is a secular state on the east coast of the Mediterranean Sea.

Is it the Promised Land?

 

[AV1611VET]

The only truth of scripture is our salvation in Christ.

Everything else is a lie?

Is the United States blessed by God today because of the Abrahamic Covenant?

Is Jerusalem currently in the "times of the Gentiles"?

I could tell you what I think the information in your Post 318 is, but then I'd get moderated.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
— Romans 1:18-19

Meh; if I read it right, that doesn't apply to men those who don't suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is not evident within them; for God has not made it evident to them.

Just sayin'.

 

[Speedwell]

The Bible claims that - fulfilled prophecy proves it. AS I pointed out above - the fact that an atheist newsletter finds it convenient at some point to quote a section of the Bible is not proof that the newsletter is inspired by God.

A lot of people do get that point by the way.

you are conflating the Bible - originating a prophetic claim that is later proven to be accurate - with someone else merely quoting the Bible for whatever purpose they may have.

The prophet, as inspired by the Holy Spirit, originates the prophetic claim. The Bible reports it. The authors of the report may also be inspired--to get it right--but that is a separate question.