Kylie's Pool Challenge, Mark II

[Kylie]

So it’s impossible for the documentation as described in the OP to be true?

I didn't say that.

There is no way that we can reach a determination of whether it is true or not just from reading it.

 

[Kylie]

I’m not telling you what you know. I’m telling you what scripture says about you.

No you aren't. You said, "You know it’s true, but you suppress that truth in unrighteousness." You are not telling me what your scripture says, you are outright declaring that you know the atheist position better than atheists, and you know my own beliefs better than I do. You do not seek civilised discussion, you just want to cram your beliefs down my throat, and you have been very rude about it.

 

[Kylie]

Based on each other, or based on actual true events.

There are too many contradictions between them for them to be based on real events, I think.

Anyway, you are rapidly diverting this discussion away from my original post and trying to turn it into a general apologetics thread, which is not allowed in the areas where atheists can post. If I was a cynical person, I might suspect it could be an attempt to get the thread closed. In any case, I'm not going to discuss general apologetics with you any further. I would have suggested we could discuss it through private messages, but since you apparently decided that the Bible can tell you what atheists think better than atheists themselves (see post 193), I'm not going to present that offer.

 

[Kylie]

Is it the same Bible that says this?

Genesis 31:9 Thus God hath taken away the cattle of your father, and given them to me.

I know you unbelievers want to think the Bible is mistaken in having Mother Nature increase Jacob's flock, but the fact of the matter is: God did it.

You have completely missed the point.

 

[Kylie]

Unless you repent and believe the gospel, you will be judged by this evidence. I truly hope and pray that this doesn’t happen.

From Members' Codes of Conduct:

"Christian members respect the diversity among all members at CF and the right of all members to their unique beliefs and practices."

Please don't come and disrespect the beliefs of others who do not share the same beliefs as you. This is not the first time you have done this.

 

[Kylie]

Because I don’t want anyone to spend eternity in hell.

Don't worry, nobody does.

 

[Hammster]

Sounds like you're suppressing the truth in unrighteousness!

.. and;

You're exercising free will in 'hoping' and 'wanting'. That's a human quality .. so you must also know you're not a person who denies their own humanity then?

Huh?

 

[Hammster]

I didn't say that.

There is no way that we can reach a determination of whether it is true or not just from reading it.

Which still avoids the question. The question is can it be true? And the answer is yes, it can.

 

[Hammster]

No you aren't. You said, "You know it’s true, but you suppress that truth in unrighteousness." You are not telling me what your scripture says, you are outright declaring that you know the atheist position better than atheists, and you know my own beliefs better than I do. You do not seek civilised discussion, you just want to cram your beliefs down my throat, and you have been very rude about it.

I’ve quoted it before, and maybe you missed it. So I’ll post it again.


For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
— Romans 1:18-23

 

[Hammster]

There are too many contradictions between them for them to be based on real events, I think.

Anyway, you are rapidly diverting this discussion away from my original post and trying to turn it into a general apologetics thread, which is not allowed in the areas where atheists can post. If I was a cynical person, I might suspect it could be an attempt to get the thread closed. In any case, I'm not going to discuss general apologetics with you any further. I would have suggested we could discuss it through private messages, but since you apparently decided that the Bible can tell you what atheists think better than atheists themselves (see post 193), I'm not going to present that offer.

There are no contradictions. If you’ve actually done your own research, you’d know that.

 

[Hammster]

From Members' Codes of Conduct:

"Christian members respect the diversity among all members at CF and the right of all members to their unique beliefs and practices."

Please don't come and disrespect the beliefs of others who do not share the same beliefs as you. This is not the first time you have done this.

I’m not disrespecting your beliefs. You willfully don’t believe in God, and your op is deliberately trying to suppress the truth. My belief is to share the gospel. I’m not trying to silence you.

 

[Hammster]

Don't worry, nobody does.

Your OP will lead to that.

 

[Allandavid]

I’m not disrespecting your beliefs. You willfully don’t believe in God, and your op is deliberately trying to suppress the truth. My belief is to share the gospel. I’m not trying to silence you.

ummm...the offensive comment wasn’t directed at Kylie...

 

[Hammster]

ummm...the offensive comment wasn’t directed at Kylie...

There was no offensive comment. If you had knowledge that could save someone’s life, wouldn’t you give it to them even if they denied its truth?

 

[Allandavid]

There was no offensive comment. If you had knowledge that could save someone’s life, wouldn’t you give it to them even if they denied its truth?

If I made a comment to you or one of the other theists along the lines of “when you die, you will rot in the ground and cease to exist, because no god exists to cause any alternate outcome”, I would almost certainly receive a penalty (in fact, I have).

Your comment ignores the fact that others do not accept your claims, nor do they share your particular religious stance.

 

[Hammster]

If I made a comment to you or one of the other theists along the lines of “when you die, you will rot in the ground and cease to exist, because no god exists to cause any alternate outcome”, I would almost certainly receive a penalty (in fact, I have).

Your comment ignores the fact that others do not accept your claims, nor do they share your particular religious stance.

My comment does just the opposite. This is Christian Forums. Here are our marching orders as believers.


Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
— Matthew 28:19-20

 

[Speedwell]

My comment does just the opposite. This is Christian Forums. Here are our marching orders as believers.


Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
— Matthew 28:19-20

Not in this particular sub-forum--as you should know.

 

[Allandavid]

My comment does just the opposite. This is Christian Forums. Here are our marching orders as believers.


Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
— Matthew 28:19-20

Uh-uh.....right here, you’re a member like me, bound by very earthly rules...

 

[Hammster]

Not in this particular sub-forum--as you should know.

There’s no rule that says I can’t share the gospel.

 

[Allandavid]

There’s no rule that says I can’t share the gospel.

You went further than that....