Theistic Evolution makes Judgment and Sin feel distant and less real

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Neither is your notion that God just said "Fiat lux!" and the electromagnetic spectrum immediately existed, from DC to daylight, in all of its stupendous complexity, without God having had to do any preliminary design work at all. But that may be how y'all think of any act of creation, from God's creation of universe to engineers creating integrated circuits. One day it's not there and the next it is in both cases, right? You never see God as the Artist, the Engineer, the Designer, and the Ultimate Genius from Whom all this incomprehensibly intricate universe came to be. You se Him as a magician, pulling a rabbit out of a hat, who didn't have to create rabbit and the hat, and all the unfathomable complexity of a place where hat or bunny could exist at all. You can never appreciate the utter impossibility of everything apart from the work of God. To y'all it "just happened".How sad.

Yeah, they're gonna prove that gravity doesn't exist any day now.

What's not OK is to be a phony baloney "literalist" who only takes Scripture literally when it doesn't conflict with their doctrine. They believe that what the writers of Genesis said literally, even though they were dealing with concepts that could never for an instant understood, to be literally authoritative, while they reject the literal words of our Lord Christ, Who is all-knowing, and Who was speaking of His own Body and Blood, because their doctrine doesn't accept it and because it's impossible for them to comprehend.

Yeah, jmust grab up some dust, wave the wand, and you got yourself a man. Creation? Nothing easier! Atheists believe in the same kind of magic, where everything there is, in all its unfathomable and unknowable complexity, just happened as the result of an explosion of some sort. Both viewpoints trivialize both the universe and its creation.

I don't see God using evolution as a means of creating mankind...why? The bible contradicts evolutionism.

If God used evolution to create mankind, why didn't He say so?

 

[The Barbarian]

The point was...Theo-Evos present Adam and a make believe individual...

That's a common superstition among creationists, but it's not true. There's nothing in the Bible or in evolutionary theory that rules out Adam and Eve as real people.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The point was...Theo-Evos present Adam and a make believe individual...and the bible presents Adam as literal and historical. I was curious as to where the linage changed from fact to fiction.

Well, in short, the way in which some of us Evo-Theos do it is by resorting to the field of the Philosophy of History and to Historiography. It also helps to study some things in the field of Ancient Literature.

Here's another where adam is presented as literal and historical...Jude 1:14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones,

oK. I'm aware that Jude cites Adam. But then you have a problem: where did Jude get his quote from Enoch and how does Jude know this?

 

[The Barbarian]

If God used evolution to create mankind, why didn't He say so?

If God used atoms to make the world, why didn't He say so? Hint: Is the Bible a science text or is it about God and man and our relationship?

When you figure that out, you'll know the answers to both of those.

 

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He says it was His blood. Will you believe Him, or not?

Did they dip the bread into the blood? Oops, my bad, it was a chunk of flesh Jesus held up...not bread.

 

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Well, in short, the way in which some of us Evo-Theos do it is by resorting to the field of the Philosophy of History and to Historiography. It also helps to study some things in the field of Ancient Literature.



oK. I'm aware that Jude cites Adam. But then you have a problem: where did Jude get his quote from Enoch and how does Jude know this?

Don't know where Jude got it from. Perhaps tradition that he was affirming or divine inspiration.

 

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If God used atoms to make the world, why didn't He say so? Hint: Is the Bible a science text or is it about God and man and our relationship?

When you figure that out, you'll know the answers to both of those.

Because God doesn't talk about the creation of atoms...what God did was talk about the creation of Adam. The method described in the bible certainly wasn't evolution.

1st Tim 2:13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.....Just like Genesis 2 tells us.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Don't know where Jude got it from. Perhaps tradition that he was affirming or divine inspiration.

ok. That's an honest answer, one that I can appreciate.

 

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That's a common superstition among creationists, but it's not true. There's nothing in the Bible or in evolutionary theory that rules out Adam and Eve as real people.

I agree...but you never explain just who Adam and Eve were. Why is that? What are you hiding?

 

[Jipsah]

Did they dip the bread into the blood? Oops, my bad, it was a chunk of flesh Jesus held up...not bread.

Nah, it's only our Lord who said so. He never meant for you to take it seriously, right?

 

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Nah, it's only our Lord who said so. He never meant for you to take it seriously, right?

What ever.

 

[The Barbarian]

The usual YE creationist deal:
"The Bible is literal in all ways, except when it isn't."

 

[Jipsah]

What ever.

That's what I thought. And now here's my next question: if you don't believe our Lord's Words, from His own mouth, can be taken literally, why do you think His words in Genesis, filtered through the finite minds of His prophets, are?

 

[Cis.jd]

Most likely when he created the stars of the universe though that is not absolute! He did create them in the first six days of time however.

But we have nothing talking about the planets or anything other than the sun, moon, and earth so this is just a hunch of no biblical detail or proof.

 

[Cis.jd]

Because God said He made man from the dust then women from his rib....it's comic book?

Seriously????

Well yes. We think of creation in the same sense of design, not "poof there it is". The universe is filled with equations just as proven by Physics therefore showing how much of an engineer and designer God really is. Not working magic like some Marvel character. He really designed with a complexity and the brain work involved in math shows just a small % of that.

 

[Cis.jd]

How long did it take for the water to turn to wine?

Is it harder to create a planet inside of one day?

It's not what about what is harder to make, but where are the details on what came first? You are telling us to assume things from Genesis just to excuse your arguments of being completely empty of all forms of reasoning.

I am still waiting how a 1st day just happens on a globe sphere, if lets say the Garden of Eden was located somewhere in the Mesopotamia region, wouldn't it's 1st day not be the 1st day yet for other parts of the earth? So how does the 6 days actually work if one side is advanced in daylight?

 

[Jipsah]

They got all that from Jesus saying..this is my body? Wow, I'm impressed.

You don't believe He meant it, though, do you?

What was in the cup?

His Blood. Isn't that what He said?

 

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That's what I thought. And now here's my next question: if you don't believe our Lord's Words, from His own mouth, can be taken literally, why do you think His words in Genesis, filtered through the finite minds of His prophets, are?

Sorry dude, I don't see Jesus holding ups slab of beef and saying...here's my meat....eat it.

I don't think that's what He had in mind.

 

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You don't believe He meant it, though, do you?

His Blood. Isn't that what He said?

Weird...I was at a RC church and what was being drinked wasn't blood.

 

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Well yes. We think of creation in the same sense of design, not "poof there it is". The universe is filled with equations just as proven by Physics therefore showing how much of an engineer and designer God really is. Not working magic like some Marvel character. He really designed with a complexity and the brain work involved in math shows just a small % of that.

Can you present the equation for Jesus' resurrection?