BLM leader denounces icons of "white Jesus"

[rusmeister]

I went to the BLM website to quote their goal of abolishing the "nuclear family", but it seems they decided to take that part down, along with all the militaristic stuff they used to endorse.

Such changes in their public presentation would be part of their slippery deceptiveness. It’s like changing their logo. They must realize that, if they really want to go big time they have to hide their true aims better. So we can look for more changes so that they can pass themselves off as more virtuous.

 

[Hermit76]

The police are rioting - what proportion of those injuries and that destruction is from that?

Shay Mikalonis... At least type his name. Don't keep avoiding the truth about these criminals that are killing people in the streets... And it's not the cops doing it.

But, for the sake of listening, give us your stats on police brutality. How many blacks were killed last year that were unarmed? How many of those were not in the midst of committing a crime?

 

[Radagast]

I went to the BLM website to quote their goal of abolishing the "nuclear family"

Still there at https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

 

[rusmeister]

The organization (and we can repeat until the cows come home, as distinct from the proposition of the expression) should be banned at CF. If one thinks one can fight racism as such, the way to do it is to reach a hand of friendship and love across racial divides, and not at all to protest. Protest worked when bad laws and customs existed, to eliminate them, but attitudes cannot be so changed. And supporting and advertising an organization that seeks to undermine the teaching of our Tradition is to be opposed to our Tradition.

 

[walking.away.123]

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[Platina]

Except what Shaun King is calling for is already happening, so, yeah.

 

[Platina]

Yes, but wouldn't you agree that Christians can't support the destruction of property for any reason? There are proper ways of removing offensive

Careful now. We wouldn't want to be reasonable or anything

 

[walking.away.123]

Careful now. We wouldn't want to be reasonable or anything

LOL. It would be better for me overall to get off forums. Social media has sucked up most of the conversation. The community here, and on another forum I use, used to be very different. There's a much smaller number of users on each.

 

[Hermit76]

If we make that the narrative and a reason not to support the protesters goal of a change in the way Blacks are treated by police (but not any other intersectional goals held by some organizations), it reminds me of talking to Chinese nationals about Tiananmen Square protests. Their narrative is that peaceful troops went in to move out the protesters and were viciously attacked and murdered. Some soldiers were brutally killed. Some protesters wanted larger cultural change that we couldn't support. But we can still support their desire for democracy.
There's a lot of evil going on, and evil begets evil.

Except that there's no statistical data that proves that blacks are singled out en masse by police. Our media paints a narrative that is just plain wrong. This issue is complex. And yes there are racist cops. But the data shows that black on black crime is the real issue and cops are having to try to curtail that violence. As a result there are going to be high numbers of police interactions in their communities.

 

[walking.away.123]

Edited for pride.

 

[Jesus4Madrid]

Black people in California are stopped far more often by police, major study proves
"About 1,000 civilians are killed each year by law-enforcement officers in the United States. By one estimate, Black men are 2.5 times more likely than white men to be killed by police during their lifetime1. And in another study, Black people who were fatally shot by police seemed to be twice as likely as white people to be unarmed2."

You are parroting the same misleading statistics that have been discussed here repeatedly. I'm not in America either, but I keep reading in the US press about how blacks are 3x more likely to be shot by the police than whites. That sounds really bad. However, when we look at the data, we find that:

• 13% of the US population is black,
• but these commit more than half of all homicides.
• Most of the victims are blacks

So blacks are 4x more likely than whites to commit a violent crime, yet they are only 3x more likely than whites to be shot by the police doing so. That suggests that the police are racist in their use of force...against whites. Why is no one in the media writing about this? Do Americans not understand math? People shot by the police are 96% male and 4% female yet males only make up 49% of the population. Guess what: men are 26x more likely to be shot than women. Does this mean that the police are sexist?

And of course, if blacks are more likely than whites to commit a violent crime, which they are, then they will invariably be stopped by police at a higher rate than whites. But this is not evidence of racism. Can you see that?

It seems to me that the notion that there is systematic racism against blacks in the police force is just not supported by the data. There is no widespread problem of police violence targeting innocent blacks. It is just not happening and it is sad that people, particularly blacks, have been misled to think it is.

 

[gzt]

Anyway, you may find this article on the subject interesting: "White Jesus" and Shaun King - Public Orthodoxy

 

[walking.away.123]

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[rusmeister]

Anyway, you may find this article on the subject interesting: "White Jesus" and Shaun King - Public Orthodoxy

The author struck irony gold with this line: “In fact, all he succeeded in doing was to give the other side—the side that doesn’t understand why graven images of Confederates and conquistadors need to go—plenty of ammo to take potshots at BLM and other anti-racist efforts. Again, if you want to undermine your own movement and make your efforts look both imbecilic and dangerous, then threaten what others value as good and harmless.”
I haven’t heard much about conquistadors, but a lot about Confederates, and even Francis Scott Keyes. Hart tells us we “don’t understand why the statues need to go”, when it is he that doesn’t understand why they need to stay. He is part of the mindless mob that seeks to tear down Western civilization and rebuild it in his own image (you can’t, but he evidently doesn’t realize that) and threatening what we value as good. The inability to see nuances in people of the past, to recognize that people then as now had mixes of good and evil is fatal. Instead, he imagines himself as a superior moral judge. Thinking “We are good, our ancestors were bad”, is generally retarded.

This Hart fellow undermines what he himself is advocating for in the same way he accuses Shaun King of doing so.

 

[Aldebaran]

Still there at https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

Ah, yes. I see it now.

"We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual"

 

[Jesus4Madrid]

Again, you've got the wrong end of it. I specifically chose articles that dealt, at least in part, with how Blacks are treated compared to how whites are treated. The statistic factor in the number of police encounters of each and compare the police use of violence in all situations. It could be a million black crimes to every 100 white crimes. If 900,000 black suspects encounter violence, but only 40 white ones do, it's a higher rate for blacks (I'm making number up for emphasis). It's not total numbers. The fact that there are more crimes committed by Blacks relative to their percentage of the population seems to be more easily understood.

Your example doesn’t square with reality.

Again, it is not a higher rate for blacks; it’s a higher rate for whites. That is the point: police in the US are actually less likely to shoot a violent black man than a violent white man.

And, given the rioting that ensues when police shoot a black man, it is not surprising that police actually use greater force against violent white criminals.

So, even though you say here that you care about the rate, not the absolute numbers, you have highlighted figures that are misleading. But then, I have pointed this out before.

Your narrative is wrong, that’s all. It doesn’t square with the actual math.

Did you read the article you posted from Yale? Here’s the money quote:

“On the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we find no racial differences in either the raw data or when contextual factors are taken into account.”

That’s your source, not mine, proving my point.

I'll give you the last word (within limits) because I don't like to kick against the pricks.

Oh, far be it from me to engender prick kicking.

 

[buzuxi02]

The nephew of Mother Theodora Saade who died a few days ago has posted pictures of her andher funeral on an Orthodox FB group.
She spent 62 years as a nun at the Monastery of Mary Magdelene in Gethsemane Jerusalem. Her family is middle eastern and I can assure you they are Lilly white.
Seriously why do people in America think white people only stretch from the U.K. to Italy? It's quite baffling.
Anatolian Turks are white as are those from the Levant (yes they identify as white). People from the caucuses are white. Heck even those living in the "Stans" were whiter than white and were labeled as circassians, whose women were the favorite female slaves for the Berber North african harems.

 

[Hermit76]

I guess you're going to believe what you want but
https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/area/workshop/leo/leo16_fryer.pdf
It's worth reading all of that.

It's not about targeting, it's about treatment.

More, but none of it matters if you're entrenched:
Policing in black & white
"The probability of being black, unarmed and shot by police is about 3.5 times the probability of being white, unarmed and shot by police, he found (PLOS One, 2015). "

Black people in California are stopped far more often by police, major study proves
"Black people in California were stopped by police officers much more frequently than other racial groups in 2018, and police were more likely to use force against them"

Black people in California are stopped far more often by police, major study proves
"About 1,000 civilians are killed each year by law-enforcement officers in the United States. By one estimate, Black men are 2.5 times more likely than white men to be killed by police during their lifetime1. And in another study, Black people who were fatally shot by police seemed to be twice as likely as white people to be unarmed2."


In some of those links, it says one of the problems is the lack of data because police departments don't always keep records on use of force and the reasons for it, and much of the information used has to be gleaned from reports written by the police about themselves. Better reporting and nationally shared information is one of the goals of the current movement. It's worth doing.

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The only statistically significant
differences by race demonstrate that black officers are more likely to shoot unarmed whites, relative
to white officers.

Yeah, that first one was very interesting

 

[Hermit76]

Anyway, you may find this article on the subject interesting: "White Jesus" and Shaun King - Public Orthodoxy

I'm not reading anything from there

 

[walking.away.123]

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