Article: The Spiritual Danger of Donald Trump

Is it spiritually wrong to vote for Trump?


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Caliban

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How did you like Jimmy Carter?
I thought his welfare and tax reform policies went in the right direction and that is policies on education were good. I especially liked that he turned from organized religion and the Southern Baptist Convention.
 
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This article describes a new book that includes articles by 30 Evangelicals warning of the spiritual dangers of electing Donald Trump for a second term. What do you think about this premise?
It is spiritually wrong to connect a political entity,a human leader, with Christian matters. Jesus Christ of Nazareth never mixed the Good News with the political system of that day. Be blessed.
 
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Because the clergy of non-Evangelical denominations can't sensibly be called Evangelical.
I am not sure I see your side of it yet. George Yancey teaches at Biola--a high Evangelical University and Steven Meyer is clearly an Evangelical.
 
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It is spiritually wrong to connect a political entity,a human leader, with Christian matters. Jesus Christ of Nazareth never mixed the Good News with the political system of that day. Be blessed.
But, its is about politics and not the gospel in this case. Is it really your view that Christians have no input into political matters? Maybe I misunderstand your point.
 
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I wonder if Franklin Graham was one them. Yeah id assume probably not...

But articles like this should keep that same energy for the democrats. You wont see me voting in this upcoming election
Here is the list:
Michael W. Austin

Randall Balmer

Vicki Courtney

Daniel Deitrich

Samuel Escobar

John Fea

Irene Fowler

Mark Galli

J. Colin Harris

Stephen R. Haynes

Matt Henderson

Christopher A. Hutchinson

Bandy X. Lee

David S. Lim

David C. Ludden

Ryan McAnnally-Linz

Steven Meyer

Napp Nazworth

D. Zac Niringiye

Christopher Pieper

Reid Ribble

Ronald J. Sider

Edward G. Simmons

James R. Skillen

James W. Skillen

Julia K. Stronks

Chris Thurman

Miroslav Volf

Peter Wehner

George Yancey
 
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I thought his welfare and tax reform policies went in the right direction and that is policies on education were good. I especially liked that he turned from organized religion and the Southern Baptist Convention.
No he didn’t turn from organized religion he just severed his membership with the SBC. In fact he is highly involved in a different Baptist church of a different association. Here’s a quick snip from his Wiki write up.

In 2000, Carter severed his membership with the Southern Baptist Convention, saying the group's doctrines did not align with his Christian beliefs. In April 2006, Carter, former President Bill Clinton, and Mercer University President Bill Underwood initiated the New Baptist Covenant. The broadly inclusive movement seeks to unite Baptists of all races, cultures and convention affiliations. Eighteen Baptist leaders representing more than 20 million Baptists across North America backed the group as an alternative to the Southern Baptist Convention. The group held its first meeting in Atlanta, January 30 through February 1, 2008.[417]
 
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No he didn’t turn from organized religion he just severed his membership with the SBC. In fact he is highly involved in a different Baptist church of a different association. Here’s a quick snip from his Wiki write up.

In 2000, Carter severed his membership with the Southern Baptist Convention, saying the group's doctrines did not align with his Christian beliefs. In April 2006, Carter, former President Bill Clinton, and Mercer University President Bill Underwood initiated the New Baptist Covenant. The broadly inclusive movement seeks to unite Baptists of all races, cultures and convention affiliations. Eighteen Baptist leaders representing more than 20 million Baptists across North America backed the group as an alternative to the Southern Baptist Convention. The group held its first meeting in Atlanta, January 30 through February 1, 2008.[417]
Technically you are correct about his joining another denomination, but I will refer you to his own comments on what he means by losing his religion.
 
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This article describes a new book that includes articles by 30 Evangelicals warning of the spiritual dangers of electing Donald Trump for a second term. What do you think about this premise?

What do I think of them saying it? All depends on how they deliver their message. If it's I'm right and we're God's men and women of the hour and if you don't adhere to what we say you've sinned I'd tell them sorry dear brothers and sisters but you need to go jump in the lake. I'd tell them you need to appeal to them seeking God on the issue personally and if you feel God is telling you to vote for Trump then do it.....if you feel something else then don't.

All the while they can be praying that the other receives wisdom, revelation and insight which doesn't come from man but from God. They might be shocked as they do that for themselves too.....God might surprise them telling them to vote for Trump for God has a higher purpose than they can see presently see.
 
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Technically you are correct about his joining another denomination, but I will refer you to his own comments on what he means by losing his religion.
I believe what he is referring to by ‘Loosing his religion’ is not only severing his membership with the Baptist association he knew for sixty years but by coming to that decision meant redefining his own beliefs which is more affirming to the roles of women not only pertaining to church but in relation between husband and wife. For years since leaving the SBC he’s been a deacon in his new Baptist congregation and taught Sunday school.
 
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What do I think of them saying it? All depends on how they deliver their message. If it's I'm right and we're God's men and women of the hour and if you don't adhere to what we say you've sinned I'd tell them sorry dear brothers and sisters but you need to go jump in the lake. I'd tell them you need to appeal to them seeking God on the issue personally and if you feel God is telling you to vote for Trump then do it.....if you feel something else then don't.

All the while they can be praying that the other receives wisdom, revelation and insight which doesn't come from man but from God. They might be shocked as they do that for themselves too.....God might surprise them telling them to vote for Trump for God has a higher purpose than they can see presently see.
What is the right political decision if two people pray sincerely and come to different electoral choices?
 
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Balmer is a priest in the Episcopal Church, which is a Mainline denomination, not an Evangelical one.
I think these lines are more blurry nowadays. Evangelicals worked hard in the 70's-90's to clarify what was, and was not, Evangelical. I was part of a Reformed church which was also very clear that we were not Evangelical. Lutherans also seemed clear about that. Here is an interesting article by Johnathan Merritt which discusses the history of the categorical difficulty of labeling Evangelicals.
 
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I personally don't have the religious convictions to pass spiritual judgements--I'm not a believer, but I am very curious to talk to people who do see this as a spiritual issue. It is interesting to me that Evangelicals fall on opposite sides of the issue--especially when both Republican.
First off, you don't have to have religious convictions as an "unbeliever" to pass spiritual judgments. You only have to have a moral/immoral conviction of what's right and wrong according to treat others as you would want to be treated.

You'd have to speak to an evangelical who supports Trump to know why they support him. I would venture to guess that it won't be because Trump speaks the same things as the Christ.
 
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First off, you don't have to have religious convictions as an "unbeliever" to pass spiritual judgments. You only have to have a moral/immoral conviction of what's right and wrong according to treat others as you would want to be treated.

You'd have to speak to an evangelical who supports Trump to know why they support him. I would venture to guess that it won't be because Trump speaks the same things as the Christ.
I am referring to spiritual things as non-material and supernatural; I just don't believe in those things. If spiritual is understood as strong human feeling and emotion--then I accept it. I think Jazz and roots music has spiritual elements. John Coltrane was spiritual for me.
 
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I think these lines are more blurry nowadays.

I am happy to use the classification which Pew Forum uses. Once you articulate the "Mainline" and "Evangelical" groups, most people and denominations sit clearly in one or the other.
 
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