Did You Really Not Know That Christ Must Be Obeyed? --Yes, You!

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I would warn about believing in Christ if need be. Their sins only serve as proof as to why Jesus needed to die for them on the Cross. The issue in salvation is believing in Christ. Once the Holy Spirit is in them He will do the job you wish to do. It was the Holy Spirit in me motivating me to dislike sin. Guys preaching like you made me want to sin by telling you to shut your self righteous mouth. You have it backwards. And, are proud it it!

There are preachers who love to preach and shout about sin. It becomes like a rock and roll concert when everyone starts getting excited and hooti'n and holler'in.

Sins are to be brought up after one is saved to teach them how to stay in fellowship with the Holy Spirit. Teach them 1 John 1:9, so they can learn how to keep walking in the light.

Of course, when someone has little content to teach. He can always give them a fire and brimstone sermon to keep them emotionally charged. For once saved we can know Hell is real. Its like telling monster stories. Every one likes a good scare once in a while.

Telling some believer they are going to go to hell for their unrepentant sins is a lie. But, it sure makes someone who loves power and wants to dominate over others feel good, if he has a crowd of simple minded listeners who fear in ignorance. In reality. According to Scripture. Unrepentant sins will deny the believer eternal rewards that God dearly wants to give him after the resurrection.

In Luke 6:46, Jesus says, “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

 

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He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

Not! Repentance of sins! But, repentance that will grant them the forgiveness of sins.

One example? Buddha did not die for your sins! Stop following Bhudda (change your mind = repentance) and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and receive the forgiveness of sins.

How do we receive forgiveness of our sins after we believe in Jesus?

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins
and purify us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9​

We do not repent of sinning. Yet, some will repent of a lifestyle centered on certain sins! Addiction sins is a big one. For everyone else who did not have an obsession? We are to acknowledge our sins to God when and if we should sin. When we do that? God purifies us of all wrongdoing and restores us to walking in the light once more.


John the Baptist was a Jew preaching to Jews awaiting the coming Messiah. He was not preaching church age doctrine. It was about preparation time for the Jews while awaiting the Cross to be fulfilled. Many Jews needed to repent of the religious lies they had been trained into by the religious Pharisees. THE PHARISEES TAUGHT SALVATION BY WORKS! Repentance (a change of thinking) was required to drop the salvation by works, and to turn to Christ for salvation by faith.

There you have it.

#1. Repentance is seeking forgiveness with the Lord or confessing your sins to Him.
#2. The fruits of repentance are good deeds.

John the Baptist said “the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.” (Matthew 3:10).

“Bring forth therefore fruits befitting for repentance:” (Matthew 3:8).
“Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance,” (Luke 3:8).

Fruits of repentance:

“And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then? He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.” (Luke 3:10-11).

Please take note that John said that the axe is laid to the root of the trees. They were going to be cut down if they did not bring forth fruit. Jesus says the same thing in John 15. The exception is that the branch was going to be cut off and thrown into the fire if it did not yield fruit.

 

[GenemZ]

As the final judgement will start at the house of God, it is written..."For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" (1 Peter 4:17-18)
A clear distinction is made between who is going to be saved and who won't be saved.
Sin is the differentiater.

Yes. the sin of UNBELIEF! Obedience to the Gospel is to believe in Jesus!

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe
stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name
of God’s one and only Son." Jn 3:18​

You make things very complex because you are fixated on a wrong emphasis.

This is your version of John 3:18...

Whoever stops sinning is not condemned, but whoever does not stop
sinning stands condemned already"​

Its a weird Gospel you believe in. You fail to see why Jesus died on the Cross.

You make sin the issue, when it should be faith in Christ.

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

I guess you think John the Baptist was wasting his time?
It is written..."To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins," (Luke 1:77)
"And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;" (Luke 3:3)
"Baptism of repentance for the remission of sins"...
Without a turn from sin there is no salvation.

And so what if repentance from sin isn't mentioned in John?
Isn't it mentioned in the other gospels?
In fact, it is...by Jesus..."And (Jesus) said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that.... repentance and remission of sins.... should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:46-47)

How can a man "turn to" Christ without "turning from" sin?

After the Cross, the Ascended Jesus took Paul into the Sinai Desert for a one -on -one , three year course to get the Pharisee out of him.....Jesus revealed Mysteries kept secret by God for millennia ....One Of Those Secrets was Justification by Faith alone.....Neither Jesus nor the twelve ever taught that by simply believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus and by believing that He died for the sins of all of those that came to Him with Faith , was the Way Of Salvation.......Jesus
had His chance to say anything he wanted in regard to Salvation......Did he mention “ repentance of sins?” No. Did he say to get your Doctrine from John the Baptist? No. Did He say to follow Peter, His disciple John or James or anybody else? No. Jesus said to “ Follow Paul”...... and Paul was not shy in mentioning this New Command.....he mentioned it several times...
We Follow Paul by RESTING in His Gospel found in 1Cor15:1-4– a Gospel Of Grace Plus NOTHING..... Repent of your sins all you want, get baptized in the Jordan River a thousand times, sell all that you own and give it to the poor, strive to keep the 613 Commandments that God only gave to show that nobody can keep them, take the route of Performance where the Standard is Perfection—- do whatever makes you happy—- ignore the True Way Of Salvation That Jesus revealed to Paul and you will find yourself in trouble .....You want to obey Jesus? Follow Paul. REST in His Gospel.

 

[Phil W]

He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise
from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness
of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at
Jerusalem."​

Notice? Not! Repentance of sins! But, repentance that will grant them the forgiveness of sins.

That is a thought expounded on by Peter in Acts 2:38..." Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,"
The baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is for the remission of past sins.
But the version of the bible you use changed the words in the KJV of that verse.
The KJV says..."And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."...in Luke 24:47.
It also doesn't have the word "will" be preached, but the words "SHOULD be preached".

Another good way to understand Luke 24:47 is..."And that repentance for, and remission of sins should be preached in the name of Jesus to all the world."

Repentance from sin, permanently, is necessary so we don't need to "crucify the Son of God afresh" for continued disobedience. (Heb 6:4-6)
Did you also notice that the preaching of the baptism for the forgiveness of sins is done in the name of Jesus Christ?

An example of what I speak?
"Buddha did not die for your sins! Stop following Buddha (repentance -change your mind) and turn and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and receive the forgiveness of sins."

OK, with that in mind..."Stop serving sin and serve the Lord instead!"

How do we receive forgiveness of our sins after we believe in Jesus?

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins
and purify us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9​

This "confession" is done before baptism in the name of Jesus Christ "for the remission of sins". (Acts 2:38)​

We do not repent of sinning. Yet, some will need to repent of a previous lifestyle centered on certain sins! Addiction sins is a big one. For everyone else who did not have an obsession? We are to acknowledge our sins to God when, and if we should sin. When we do that? God purifies us of all wrongdoing and restores us to walking in the light once more.

Your words nullify your entire POV.
Why "turn from" anything else if you've, as you say, "turned from unbelief to belief?
Don't you see the irony in your statement?

John the Baptist was a Jew preaching to Jews awaiting the coming Messiah. He was not preaching church age doctrine. It was about preparation time for the Jews while awaiting the Cross to be fulfilled. Many Jews needed to repent of the religious lies they had been trained into by the religious Pharisees. THE PHARISEES TAUGHT SALVATION BY WORKS! Repentance (a change of thinking) was required to drop the salvation by works, and to turn to Christ for salvation by faith.
There you have it.

If the "church age doctrine" accommodates sin, it is not of God.
Our Messiah freed us from sin.
Not Romans, not poverty, not disease, not persecution.
It is written..."Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities." (Acts 3:26)
The Gentiles were the next ones blessed by God with the ability to "turn from our iniquities".
If you want to forsake that blessing...I can't understand why.
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[GenemZ]

Christians can do what they want—- God changes their “ wants” ......sometimes it takes a while, but it will happen.....Grace covers missteps along the way......Chastisement can sometimes be expected .....Christians can and do sin , but relax Legalists — they do NOT get away with it.....they pay here on earth....Salvation is never in question.....that was a Gift, remember?

Yes... God changes our"wants."

Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart."
Ps 37:4
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If we delight ourselves in Him? The desires we will find ourselves having will be from Him!

 

[Phil W]

Yes. the sin of UNBELIEF! Obedience to the Gospel is to believe in Jesus!

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe
stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name
of God’s one and only Son." Jn 3:18​

They were already condemned even without unbelief.​

You make things very complex because you are fixated on a wrong emphasis.
This is your version of John 3:18...

Whoever stops sinning is not condemned, but whoever does not stop
sinning stands condemned already"​

Its a weird Gospel you believe in. You fail to see why Jesus died on the Cross.
You make sin the issue, when it should be faith in Christ.

Sin is the manifestation of no faith.
Jesus said...If you love me, keep my commandments."
Can you have faith in someone, for salvation, whom you don't love enough to obey?
Or did Jesus say..."After you believe in me you can do whatever wickedness you want without any worries at all." ?

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

After the Cross, the Ascended Jesus took Paul into the Sinai Desert for a one -on -one , three year course to get the Pharisee out of him.....Jesus revealed Mysteries kept secret by God for millennia ....One Of Those Secrets was Justification by Faith alone.....Neither Jesus nor the twelve ever taught that by simply believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus and by believing that He died for the sins of all of those that came to Him with Faith , was the Way Of Salvation.......Jesus
had His chance to say anything he wanted in regard to Salvation......Did he mention “ repentance of sins?” No. Did he say to get your Doctrine from John the Baptist? No. Did He say to follow Peter, His disciple John or James or anybody else? No. Jesus said to “ Follow Paul”...... and Paul was not shy in mentioning this New Command.....he mentioned it several times...
We Follow Paul by RESTING in His Gospel found in 1Cor15:1-4– a Gospel Of Grace Plus NOTHING..... Repent of your sins all you want, get baptized in the Jordan River a thousand times, sell all that you own and give it to the poor, strive to keep the 613 Commandments that God only gave to show that nobody can keep them, take the route of Performance where the Standard is Perfection—- do whatever makes you happy—- ignore the True Way Of Salvation That Jesus revealed to Paul and you will find yourself in trouble .....You want to obey Jesus? Follow Paul. REST in His Gospel.

 

[Phil W]

After the Cross, the Ascended Jesus took Paul into the Sinai Desert for a one -on -one , three year course to get the Pharisee out of him.....Jesus revealed Mysteries kept secret by God for millennia ....One Of Those Secrets was Justification by Faith alone.....Neither Jesus nor the twelve ever taught that by simply believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus and by believing that He died for the sins of all of those that came to Him with Faith , was the Way Of Salvation.......Jesus
had His chance to say anything he wanted in regard to Salvation......Did he mention “ repentance of sins?” No. Did he say to get your Doctrine from John the Baptist? No. Did He say to follow Peter, His disciple John or James or anybody else? No. Jesus said to “ Follow Paul”...... and Paul was not shy in mentioning this New Command.....he mentioned it several times...
We Follow Paul by RESTING in His Gospel found in 1Cor15:1-4– a Gospel Of Grace Plus NOTHING..... Repent of your sins all you want, get baptized in the Jordan River a thousand times, sell all that you own and give it to the poor, strive to keep the 613 Commandments that God only gave to show that nobody can keep them, take the route of Performance where the Standard is Perfection—- do whatever makes you happy—- ignore the True Way Of Salvation That Jesus revealed to Paul and you will find yourself in trouble .....You want to obey Jesus? Follow Paul. REST in His Gospel.

Do you know what makes me happy?
Showing the One who died for my past sins how much I love and appreciate my freedom from this world.
It is written..."Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:" (Gal 1:4)
James writes..."Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." (James 1:27)
What kind of religion is it wherein they ARE "spotted from the world"?
Impure.

 

[Phil W]

Yes... God changes our"wants."

Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart."
Ps 37:4​

If we delight ourselves in Him? The desires we will find ourselves having will be from Him!

Who are the sinners delighting in?

 

[GenemZ]

OK, with that in mind..."Stop serving sin and serve the Lord instead!"

I think its time I tell you this. I was born a Jew. Christianity was not taught in my home, nor was I ever subjected to the "hate sin" preaching you are so fond of. I saw it as a way of ignorant men then, and still do today fifty years later. Its religion, not spirituality having the Spirit in control.

In college during the Viet Nam war years I so happened to be handed a tract and decided to accept Jesus. I knew I was sinner. But no mention that I must renounce sin and believe. I just believed in Jesus dying for my sins. Just like the Gentiles did when Peter preached to them.

I had no idea that anything can happen when one believed. In spite of my ignorance? The Holy Spirit took up residence in my body. I knew I was a sinner. Drugs and sex had been a norm for me before I got saved. And, was leading to misery.. I was a 60's rock and roll musician. And a very talented one at that. I was well respected in the music community. Then?

After I got saved I did not know why my thinking began to change dramatically. I just believed in Jesus because I wanted to. I had no idea what regeneration involved.

Without any preacher breathing hell fire and brimstone at me, I up and quit the band I helped form. I was told by another musician soon after that I was crazy to quit. It was a very good band. But, my mind and heart told me its time to get out of the business. Years later the verse... "Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted? I realized was what I went through. For I was mourning the death of my life I dearly loved. For years I was lost without it, but somehow knew there was something I needed to find, knowing I could never return to what had died.

Ten years later after the tract, someone handed me a Bible. Then, all that had taken place earlier began to make sense. In the mean while, I did not need some man to tell me to repent of sinning. For the Spirit in me had taken care of that, with myself experiencing much sorrow and near unbearable loneliness in the process.

So, when I hear someone like you pounding home the "repent of sin" message? I think its pathetic and only good for manipulating small minded insecure people, into conforming to a cult type power. What gave me power was knowing I was a sinner and Jesus having died on the Cross, so that we can have our sins forgiven, making us now able to learn to love God as He loves God.

To me? The way you dwell on sin and desiring to control others seems hollow and empty. Jesus dwelt on the love of the Father and the taking on the new life that will transcend finding any appeal in sin. The truth will make you free.

Your way? I find its for people who need to have someone to tell them what to think. For the Holy Spirit is not reaching them.

So be it...

 

[GenemZ]

Do you know what makes me happy?
Showing the One who died for my past sins how much I love and appreciate my freedom from this world.
It is written..."Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:" (Gal 1:4)
James writes..."Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." (James 1:27)
What kind of religion is it wherein they ARE "spotted from the world"?
Impure.

You concentration more on sin than growing in grace and knowledge. An ever growing knowledge of God's Word that would transform you into living the image of Christ...by means of the Spirit's grace power.

Has anyone ever taught you the book of Jeremiah? God slams Israel's sins in that book. For almost all of Israel had become degenerate and God judged and destroyed the nation...

If you ever heard it taught accurately from the Hebrew you would have your eyes opened.

 

[GenemZ]

They were already condemned even without unbelief.​

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Jesus was not referring to what you are getting at. Jesus was referring to those who have been told the Gospel. Those who don't believe do so because they are already condemned. How is that so?

The Father draws all men. Those who accept His drawing? These ones will be handed over by the Father and given to the Son. All the Father gives Him will come to Him.

But, why are those who don't believe it says are condemned already? Not condemned because they reject Jesus. But, condemned before they rejected Jesus. Because?

They rejected the Father's drawing of them. Therefore the Father condemned them. They can not come to Christ because the Father will not hand them to the Son. For they were condemned before hearing the Gospel! Its why they will not believe. Preach sin all you want. Salvation is really a matter of our relationship with the Father before we became saved knowingly.

“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them,
and I will raise them up at the last day. It is written in the Prophets:
‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father
and learned from him comes to me. John 6:44-45​

All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me
I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my
will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who
sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise
them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to
the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up
at the last day.” John 6:37-40​

Its the Father's will that Jesus will lose none of all that come to Him. So? If we could lose our salvation? That would mean the Son failed to do the Father's will.

 

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The issue in salvation is believing in Christ.

The Bible condemns Belief Alone-ism.

18 “Yea, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
19 You believe that there is one God; you do well: the demons also believe, and tremble.
20 But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?”
(James 2:18-20).​

“Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2:17).

“You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.” (James 2:24).

Then how could Paul say the following words?

8 “For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9).​

In verse 9: Paul was referring to “Works Alone Salvationism” that did not include God's grace.

In verse 8: Paul was referring to “Justification” which is the 1st step or stage of the salvation process. This is how we are initially and ultimately saved. If we happen to stumble into a sin on rare occasion, we go to God's grace by confessing our sins to Jesus in order to be forgiven of them (1 John 1:9), and we do not do a good work to redeem our sin. God's grace (Justification) is the 1st work of God done in our life so as to be saved. Without God's grace, we could never be saved. Without God's grace we could not live holy unto the Lord.

James is referring to the second step or stage of salvation after we are saved by God's grace. James is referring to the 2nd work of God done in our life to be saved. This is the Sanctification Process in being made holy by God's power. The good work we do is not of our own power alone, but the work we do is the Lord doing the good works through us (on our synergistic free will cooperation with God). Sanctification is about putting away sin, doing good deeds (like preaching the gospel, helping the poor, loving the brethren, etc.) and living holy.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

@genez

So how exactly does James chapter 2 fit in your belief?
Some write off the book of James as being written to Hebrew Christians only and it does not apply to Gentile Christians today. But there is no mention in Scripture of how there is a clear teaching that is distinct between these two people groups. Paul says that there is no Jew, Gentile, etc. in Christ.
Others write off the statements of James I mentioned here by saying that work he is referring to is the kind of works done before men and not God. This view does not work because James mentions Abraham being justified by works by offering Isaac upon the altar. No man was present or around to view his actions in doing this. We learn from this real narrative that God commended and blessed Abraham greatly by his faithful actions here.

Besides, even if you did not accept the plain words of James here, Paul (the famous grace teacher) says you can deny God by a lack of works in Titus 1:16. Paul says to us believers that if we live after the flesh (sin), we will die (die spiritually), but if we put to death the misdeeds of the body (sin) by the Spirit, we will live (live eternally) (See: Romans 8:13).

 

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Jesus was not referring to what you are getting at. Jesus was referring to those who have been told the Gospel. Those who don't believe do so because they are already condemned. How is that so?

The Father draws all men. Those who accept His drawing? These ones will be handed over by the Father and given to the Son. All the Father gives Him will come to Him.

But, why are those who don't believe it says are condemned already? Not condemned because they reject Jesus. But, condemned before they rejected Jesus. Because?

They rejected the Father's drawing of them. Therefore the Father condemned them. They can not come to Christ because the Father will not hand them to the Son. For they were condemned before hearing the Gospel! Its why they will not believe. Preach sin all you want. Salvation is really a matter of our relationship with the Father before we became saved knowingly.

“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them,
and I will raise them up at the last day. It is written in the Prophets:
‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father
and learned from him comes to me. John 6:44-45​

All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me
I will never drive away. For I have come down from heaven not to do my
will but to do the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who
sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise
them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to
the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up
at the last day.” John 6:37-40​

Its the Father's will that Jesus will lose none of all that come to Him. So? If we could lose our salvation? That would mean the Son failed to do the Father's will.

In the King James Bible: John 6:37-40 says,

37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."​

First, what does Jesus mean by,

“All that the Father giveth me come to me?”​

Well, we have to understand that the Father elects those based on His future foreknowledge of our free will choice concerning Him (1 Peter 1:2) (Deuteronomy 30:19). Also, we also have to understand that not everyone is going to be saved; However, it is God's will that all people should be saved, though (1 Timothy 2:4) (2 Peter 3:9) (Revelation 22:17). This is why we read in Scripture about how many are called, but few are chosen (Matthew 20:16).

Same meanings since all are given the chance to have life through Jesus. But those who are His have come so willingly in faith, repenting and turning with a sincere heart; forever to the submission of God’s commandments and desires.

Verse 39 implies that it is possible for Jesus to lose some of the flock. If it were not so, He would have said so. But if what you say is true, then Jesus would have said,

"I WILL lose nothing."​

However, that is not what Jesus said. Jesus says,

"I SHOULD lose nothing."​

John 6:39 (KJV) says,

"And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

Second, eternal life here is not a guarantee. Jesus says in verse 40

"MAY have everlasting life".​

John 6:40
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."

In other words, Jesus should lose none and all who are His should be raised, because they should all continue in the righteousness God gave them through the sacrifice of Jesus. It’s not that Jesus isn’t capable of keeping up with His sheep; it’s that He never keeps His sheep against their wills. How so?

Well, we see in Scripture that the Father gave all of the disciples to Jesus; However, Jesus kept them all except Judas, though.

John 17:12 says:

"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."​

Now, allow me to rephrase this in modern-terminology:

While I was with the marbles in the world, I kept them. Those marbles that you gave me I kept, and none are lost, but the green marble.​

And OSAS terminology:

While I was with the marbles in the world, I kept them. Those marbles that you gave me I kept, and none are lost, except for the green marble that you never gave me.​

Do you see now how OSAS doesn't make any sense?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I would warn about believing in Christ if need be.

The Bible condemns “Belief Alone-ism.”

John the Baptist was against Belief Alone-ism. He said to the Pharisees “do not think to say within yourselves we have Abraham our father.” For they thought they were saved by simply being sons of Abraham.

For it is written:

“Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father...”
(Matthew 3:8-9).

Jesus was against Belief Alone-ism.

The Pharisees said,
“...Abraham is our father.”

Jesus said unto them,

“If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.” (John 8:39).

So if you want to know that God is against Belief Alone-ism, just remember the number 39.

Matthew 3:9.
John 8:39.

Telling some believer they are going to go to hell for their unrepentant sins is a lie.

It's not a lie. It's what the Bible plainly teaches.

Well, for clarity for our other readers here who may be jumping in now at this point, I believe “repentance” is just another way of saying “Seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus by way of prayer.” This can be the “Sinner's Prayer” in initial salvation, and or it can be confessing sin later in our walk with God as per 1 John 1:9. For even king David had confessed of his sins to God in Psalms 51 (Also see Proverbs 28:13).

If we were to look at just 1 John 1:9 itself, it is essentially saying that if we confess of our sins, we will be forgiven of our sin. “Forgiveness of sin” is dealing with salvation in the Bible (See Ephesians 1:7 as an example).

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9).​

This means that if we abide in unconfessed sin, we will not be forgiven or saved. Well, that is if a person believes 1 John 1:9 at face value that is.

Proverbs 28:13 confirms this same truth. Psalms 51 does the same thing.
I mean stop and think for a moment. Why would Jesus warn against how the sin of lust can destroy us bodily in hellfire in Matthew 5:28-30 if such a thing is not true for us believers today? Why would Jesus even mention such a thing to begin with to confuse believers who are under the New Covenant (New Testament)? It makes no sense. Then again, you are free to believe as you wish. Just know your belief here is not in line with what the Bible says, friend.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You concentration more on sin than growing in grace and knowledge. An ever growing knowledge of God's Word that would transform you into living the image of Christ...by means of the Spirit's grace power.

Has anyone ever taught you the book of Jeremiah? God slams Israel's sins in that book. For almost all of Israel had become degenerate and God judged and destroyed the nation...

If you ever heard it taught accurately from the Hebrew you would have your eyes opened.

Jesus focused a lot on sin, too (Matthew 5:28-30) (Matthew 6:15) (Matthew 12:37) (Luke 9:62) (Luke 10:25-28) (Matthew 25:31-46). What do you say of the times He did this? Was Jesus wrong for doing so? Even Paul (the famous grace teacher) condemned a list of sins several times in his writings (See: Galatians 5:19-21, Ephesians 5:3-7, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, etc.). Was Paul also wrong for doing this?

 

[pescador]

I understand you. Not the answer.

The answer you gave was a rambling. It reveals your not knowing what the Scriptures actually teach in Titus 2:11-12. Would you not like to know?

For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. (not just believers)
It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled,
upright and godly lives in this present age."​

God is exposing something about your natural self that hopefully you will recognize, so you can become transformed more into the image of the Lord by better understanding the Word of God.

Anyone can be religious and memorize verses. That does not produce spiritual transformation. Understanding those verses is what the Lord wants to see.

So far you think you have nothing to learn.

I have read a lot of posts, many from people who don't know what they're talking about.

Your statement -- "anyone can be religious and memorize verses. That does not produce spiritual transformation -- Understanding those verses is what the Lord wants to see" is just the opposite." -- is right on; truly accurate and meaningful.

 

[pescador]

After the Cross, the Ascended Jesus took Paul into the Sinai Desert for a one -on -one , three year course to get the Pharisee out of him.....Jesus revealed Mysteries kept secret by God for millennia ....One Of Those Secrets was Justification by Faith alone.....Neither Jesus nor the twelve ever taught that by simply believing in the death and resurrection of Jesus and by believing that He died for the sins of all of those that came to Him with Faith , was the Way Of Salvation.......Jesus
had His chance to say anything he wanted in regard to Salvation......Did he mention “ repentance of sins?” No. Did he say to get your Doctrine from John the Baptist? No. Did He say to follow Peter, His disciple John or James or anybody else? No. Jesus said to “ Follow Paul”...... and Paul was not shy in mentioning this New Command.....he mentioned it several times...
We Follow Paul by RESTING in His Gospel found in 1Cor15:1-4– a Gospel Of Grace Plus NOTHING..... Repent of your sins all you want, get baptized in the Jordan River a thousand times, sell all that you own and give it to the poor, strive to keep the 613 Commandments that God only gave to show that nobody can keep them, take the route of Performance where the Standard is Perfection—- do whatever makes you happy—- ignore the True Way Of Salvation That Jesus revealed to Paul and you will find yourself in trouble .....You want to obey Jesus? Follow Paul. REST in His Gospel.

What?? I believe God, the Bible, including what Paul wrote in context. Your exegesis is so poor that nobody should consider it as meaningful.

1 Corinthians 1:4-5 says, "Now I want to make clear for you, brothers and sisters, the gospel that I preached to you, that you received and on which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the message I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received—that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve."

In Galatians (a separate epistle), Paul wrote, "But when the one who set me apart from birth and called me by his grace was pleased to reveal his Son in me so that I could preach him among the Gentiles, I did not go to ask advice from any human being, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before me, but right away I departed to Arabia, and then returned to Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas and get information from him, and I stayed with him fifteen days."

The idea of "resting" is neither stated nor implied. Therefore, your statement "After the Cross, the Ascended Jesus took Paul into the Sinai Desert for a one -on -one , three year course to get the Pharisee out of him" has no basis in Scripture. Please stop making up what you think the Bible says! Anyone can read the Bible , particularly a modern, clear translation, and understand clearly what it says for themselves.