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[miknik5]

And the people who say Kylie went to the shops today also have only ONE FOUNDATION.

I don't see how you can miss this concept.

The people who say Kylie went to the shops?
That is not apples and apples, Kylie.

You going to the shops...and shops being shops...is not the same thing as THE ONE who is THE FOUNDATION...

You are not the foundation of the shops...you dont support the shops...the shop is not built on you.

But, apply THE FOUNDATION to the TRUE CHURCH...and what I have said above, can be definitely, and is, throughout THE WORD of TRUTH...applied to JESUS.

Here is how it would read:
JESUS is the FOUNDATION of THE (TRUE) CHURCH...JESUS supports THE BODY...THE CHURCH is built on JESUS...who is THE FOUNDATION

 

[miknik5]

So once again, there is ONE FOUNDATION...every outward denominational church who calls themselves CHRISTIANS, had better have the SAME FOUNDATION...

After that, everything else is an expression before the eyes of men of how and who we say we worship...all in community with other believers who had better have the SAME FOUNDATION...JESUS, (THE SON of GOD who came forth from GOD and into the world) and THE GOSPEL of GOD, (which is THE MESSAGE of THE CROSS)

 

[miknik5]

If they don´t have THE FOUNDATION, believe me, one born of THE SPIRIT, will be able to discern that...

 

[Kylie]

The people who say Kylie went to the shops?
That is not apples and apples, Kylie.

You just don't seem to get it.

The two people who believe that I went to the shops share the same foundation because they both believe that I went to the shops. They differ in their belief about which shops I went to, but they both believe that I went to the shops.

You going to the shops...and shops being shops...is not the same thing as THE ONE who is THE FOUNDATION...

But it's not about me.

It's about these people who believe that I went to the shops. The belief that I went to the shops is the foundation for what they believe. I have been abundantly clear about this.

You are not the foundation of the shops...you dont support the shops...the shop is not built on you.

Again, I am not the foundation of the belief of these people. It's the claim that "Kylie went to the shops" that is the foundation.

But, apply THE FOUNDATION to the TRUE CHURCH...and what I have said above, can be definitely, and is, throughout THE WORD of TRUTH...applied to JESUS.

Here is how it would read:
JESUS is the FOUNDATION of THE (TRUE) CHURCH...JESUS supports THE BODY...THE CHURCH is built on JESUS...who is THE FOUNDATION

THE BELIEF THAT KYLIE WENT TO THE SHOPS is the FOUNDATION of people's belief about which shops I went to... THE BELIEF THAT KYLIE WENT TO THE SHOPS supports the belief of which shops in particular I went to...THE BELIEF ABOUT WHICH SHOPS I WENT TO is built on THE BELIEF THAT KYLIE WENT TO THE SHOPS...which is THE FOUNDATION

 

[Oncedeceived]

I'm with you there.

 

[Oncedeceived]

You just don't seem to get it.

The two people who believe that I went to the shops share the same foundation because they both believe that I went to the shops. They differ in their belief about which shops I went to, but they both believe that I went to the shops.



But it's not about me.

It's about these people who believe that I went to the shops. The belief that I went to the shops is the foundation for what they believe. I have been abundantly clear about this.



Again, I am not the foundation of the belief of these people. It's the claim that "Kylie went to the shops" that is the foundation.



THE BELIEF THAT KYLIE WENT TO THE SHOPS is the FOUNDATION of people's belief about which shops I went to... THE BELIEF THAT KYLIE WENT TO THE SHOPS supports the belief of which shops in particular I went to...THE BELIEF ABOUT WHICH SHOPS I WENT TO is built on THE BELIEF THAT KYLIE WENT TO THE SHOPS...which is THE FOUNDATION

She gets it, it isn't the same thing.

 

[Tinker Grey]

She gets it, it isn't the same thing.

No she doesn't get it. Having a foundation in one scenario is analogous to having a foundation in another scenario.

 

[miknik5]

You just don't seem to get it.

The two people who believe that I went to the shops share the same foundation because they both believe that I went to the shops. They differ in their belief about which shops I went to, but they both believe that I went to the shops.



But it's not about me.

It's about these people who believe that I went to the shops. The belief that I went to the shops is the foundation for what they believe. I have been abundantly clear about this.



Again, I am not the foundation of the belief of these people. It's the claim that "Kylie went to the shops" that is the foundation.



THE BELIEF THAT KYLIE WENT TO THE SHOPS is the FOUNDATION of people's belief about which shops I went to... THE BELIEF THAT KYLIE WENT TO THE SHOPS supports the belief of which shops in particular I went to...THE BELIEF ABOUT WHICH SHOPS I WENT TO is built on THE BELIEF THAT KYLIE WENT TO THE SHOPS...which is THE FOUNDATION

Actually no, I am sorry, you don´t...it is about HIM...I was talking about a different kind of FOUNDATION which isn´t a thing, Kylie...sorry...

Your scenario does not work...

I don´t know how many times we will have to go through this...but it goes back to a post I made a while back as well...


It has to do with this scripture:

1 Corinthians 2

Specifically 1 Corinthians 2:14

 

[miknik5]

No she doesn't get it. Having a foundation in one scenario is analogous to having a foundation in another scenario.

we were discussing THE FOUNDATION...and having the foundation in one ¨Shop/Church¨ should never be analogous to having a foundation in another ¨shop/church¨

Her scenario has nothing to do with THE TRUE CHURCH...nothing at all...

Sorry to be difficult, but I can´t entertain this suggestion anymore...it does nothing to support the TRUTH of THE FOUNDATION...

If Kylie went to church, then those who truly know THE CHURCH, will understand one thing...that she believes in JESUS who is THE SAVIOR and LORD...

That´s it...

Her scenario...does...not...work...

She can try again and we can see if we come to an agreement...but right now, from what we were discussing...the truth, and how one can believe the truth when the things included that the natural man will see , has nothing to do with and should have nothing to do with changing, altering, the TRUE FOUNDATION which is CHRIST...

You do not see and understand THE FOUNDATION as all that is needed and needful ...all you see is the minimal things which are simply an expression, an outward expression and profession before men´s eyes of who and how we worship...but THE FOUNDATION of the faith of those in THE TRUE CHURCH, those who profess CHRIST inwardly upon the heart where GOD sees, should be CHRIST...plus....nothing and no thing.

 

[Tinker Grey]

we were discussing THE FOUNDATION...and having the foundation in one ¨Shop/Church¨ should never be analogous to having a foundation in another ¨shop/church¨

Her scenario has nothing to do with THE TRUE CHURCH...nothing at all...

Sorry to be difficult, but I can´t entertain this suggestion anymore...it does nothing to support the TRUTH of THE FOUNDATION...

If Kylie went to church, then those who truly know THE CHURCH, will understand one thing...that she believes in JESUS who is THE SAVIOR and LORD...

That´s it...

Her scenario...does...not...work...

She can try again and we can see if we come to an agreement...but right now, from what we were discussing...the truth, and how one can believe the truth when the things included that the natural man will see , has nothing to do with and should have nothing to do with changing, altering, the TRUE FOUNDATION which is CHRIST...

You do not see and understand THE FOUNDATION as all that is needed and needful ...all you see is the minimal things which are simply an expression, an outward expression and profession before men´s eyes of who and how we worship...but THE FOUNDATION of the faith of those in THE TRUE CHURCH, those who profess CHRIST inwardly upon the heart where GOD sees, should be CHRIST...plus....nothing and no thing.

SMH

 

[Oncedeceived]

No she doesn't get it. Having a foundation in one scenario is analogous to having a foundation in another scenario.

Equating going to a shop as a foundation is not the same as having Jesus as the foundation of the true Church.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Equating going to a shop as a foundation is not the same as having Jesus as the foundation of the true Church.

Do you know what an analogy is?

 

[miknik5]

Do you know what an analogy is?

It does NOT matter, there is NO similarity between shops and THE CHURCH...and a shops foundation and THE FOUNDATION...

Sorry....none...her analogy is NOT useful

 

[miknik5]

Do you know what an analogy is?

Do you know the difference between THE FOUNDATION and little foundations of temporal things that will pass?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Do you know the difference between THE FOUNDATION and little foundations of temporal things that will pass?

You first.

 

[miknik5]

I know what an analogy is and it can not be used...I am trying to replace either Kylie or the shops and see how she is using this to mean CHRIST and HIS BODY...and it DOES NOT WORK...

If Kylie went to the CHURCH and then went shopping...everyone knows the difference between the two buildings...and their foundations ARE completely different.

If Kylie went to the CHURCH and people begin to wonder, oh, what denomination is Kylie, and how does she practice and tell me all the outward things she does so that I too may believe...well, this already makes manifest that this person does not even understand what is...FOUNDATIONAL in THE CHURCH...regardless of denomination...

And it goes back to my original post to Kylieś response with regards to the many denominations and how can we know who to believe...

There is only ONE FOUNDATION...after that, the outward things are just that...man´s attempt to worship in this world before the eyes of men...but that inward profession of who they say they believe and worship before GOD´S EYES is what matters...

 

[miknik5]

Now your turn...

And please feel free to substitute Kylie´s subjects in her scenario to somehow get this idea that going to the church and going to the churches imply different foundations...

 

[miknik5]

And don´t insult my intelligence again, sir...I do not appreciate your remarks trying to somehow imply that I do NOT know what I am talking about...

I know very well what I am talking about.

I do not accept Kylie´s analogy as it does not work...

 

[Tinker Grey]

And don´t insult my intelligence again, sir...I do not appreciate your remarks trying to somehow imply that I do NOT know what I am talking about...

I know very well what I am talking about.

I do not accept Kylie´s analogy as it does not work...

Yanno, if you use quotes, I'll know you have something for me to respond to. Or, you could use the @ symbol with my name.

@Kylie's point if I understand it is not about literal foundations like those of buildings. You might say Christ is the foundation of your religion and it might also be the foundation of a person of a different denomination. Nevertheless, if a Calvinist thinks that everything is ordained and that, effectively, there is no free will, then that Calvinist's religion is difference from a Christian of armenian persuasion.

Simlarly, if 2 people believe Kylie has gone to the shops, they have a similar foundation of belief about Kylie. But if one thinks she went to buy food (the Calvinist, say) and the other thinks she went to buy shoes (the armenian, say), then they are different...and one of them is wrong.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Do you know what an analogy is?

Yes, Tinker and this analogy is incorrect. The point is that for the Christian Church to be a true Christian Church it must have as its foundation that Jesus was crucified to pay for the sins of everyone, and rose again. That is imperative, as Scripture states: But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse! Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you. (emphasis not mine).