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[Subduction Zone]

These differences are more due to the country your born in. And the tradition you accept.

If your born in Italy you will probably be a Catholic.

If your born in the southern states of America, you will probably be a fundamentalist.

A Christian in England more than likely identify themselves as church of England.

If your born in Russia you are likely a communist.

Same pattern seems to occur.

All religions are that way. The number one reason that almost all Christians are Christians is because they were born to Christian parents, it is not due to the superiority of one religion over another.

And communism is not a religion. Christianity is still rather strong in Russia.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So? It doesn't matter. If the foundation or the original gospel is not there, it is not Christian. Period.

Please don't strawman.

 

[miknik5]

Well all I can say is that maybe you need a better epistemology. You just said that you cannot provide evidence for your beliefs and then tells me more of your beliefs.

I don´t really need anything...
And no that wasn´t what I said at all...

I said that those gnostic scripts jump ahead and discuss the teachings and sayings of JESUS...but do not start at the beginning...by stating the GOSPEL first...

Without the GOSPEL, in the hands of someone outside THE BODY, the writings are misleading...they imply that one need only follow the teachings of JESUS...and JESUS, therefore, is treated like every, and no different from other, wisdom teachers...

But that then leaves a person....truncated....not having entered in and therefore missing the BETTER PART...and certainly...not on THE FOUNDATION.

Even the apocryphal texts leave out the story of THE GOSPEL...but the writings are of those who had already come to know JESUS as the SAVIOR and the LORD

Take the Gospel of Thomas for instance...look how it begins,

The true sayings of the LIVING JESUS...if anyone interprets these sayings, they will certainly not taste death...

Misleading...

It is the reason why these types of writings did not make it into the canon of what is called THE BIBLE...

They left out the most important part...THE GOSPEL..and not a true understanding of who JESUS is...

So men will think that by reading and trying to interpret sayings (which are closed to those who are not born of THE SPIRIT) that somehow they can attain to a level of communication with GOD apart from THE SON...

And they can´t.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Please don't strawman.

How is that a strawman?

 

[Subduction Zone]

How is that a strawman?

You keep trying to change the argument for others. You focus on something that no one is denying and pretend that you made a point.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Because the bible says so. The bible describes sin as offence to god, requires eternal punishment and changes the creation when Adam and Eve sinned. Morally bad things do not do these things.

Sin does require justice, but sin doesn't not send us to eternal punishment, the refusal of pardon of sin does.

Morally bad things are sins. If not why?

 

[Oncedeceived]

You keep trying to change the argument for others. You focus on something that no one is denying and pretend that you made a point.

I'm really not pretending anything. What argument are you referring to?

 

[Kylie]

What claims?

Do you mean to tell me that you are not aware of any instances where different sects of Christianity disagree?

 

[Kylie]

Not so. The earth is spherical and that is objectively true. Does everyone agree? Certainly not. We have a flat earth society.

No, my point stands.

All people who have the correct answer regarding the shape of the Earth are in complete agreement with each other.

Those who do not agree are incorrect.

 

[Kylie]

I already said some issues do have a right and a wrong although most issues are less simple. Baptism is one that has multiple views.
All Christians believe in baptism but the how and why varies between denominations.

Is being sprinkled with water on the head as an infant baptism? People disagree.
Should it be done in a creek like Jesus did or is it okay in a special tub inside of a church building? People disagree.
Should baptism happen immediately upon salvation or should lengthy classes be held on it first? People disagree.
Why? Because we are human. Doesn't change that God wants believers to be baptised but different denominations go about it in different ways.

So you can't say that each one of those techniques is objectively the correct way, can you?

 

[Kylie]

I can´t follow the connection, Kylie...sorry...

Iḿ really trying to...but it is a distortion of the TRUTH which I have stated too many times to keep track of: there is only ONE FOUNDATION on which the church should be built...and regardless of how many outward churches there are, the FOUNDATION had better be the same.

Your example has one running to different shops and it is clearly evident that they aren´t the same...

And you can´t have the ONE who is THE FOUNDATION running around to different ¨foundations¨ when HE HIMSELF is THE FOUNDATION...

I don't know how to explain it any clearer.

Two people have said that Kylie went to the shops. That is the foundation of their statement, and they both share the same foundation. They both say that Kylie went to the shops today.

Do you get that part?

 

[coffee4u]

All religions are that way. The number one reason that almost all Christians are Christians is because they were born to Christian parents, it is not due to the superiority of one religion over another.

And communism is not a religion. Christianity is still rather strong in Russia.

That is what I tried to explain some pages back and according to you I needed sources. Well if I need a source for every post so do you.

The people who claim to be Christian because they were born to Christian parents was point 2 on my post and as I said, they are not Christians. Calling yourself something does not make you into that something. It's either ignorance of what you are claiming or wishful thinking at best. Elizabeth Warren called herself a Native American, it didn't make her one and Trump no doubt thinks himself a pretty great guy, but that doesn't make him one either.

 

[coffee4u]

So you can't say that each one of those techniques is objectively the correct way, can you?

We are body, soul and spirit. The brain thinking and pondering is a hindrance, the flesh wanting to go its own way is also a hindrance. God knows everything perfectly but we do not and no one does. It is not a repeatable science like gravity, it is spiritual. Anyone who says they fully understand everything of God and everything in the scriptures is fooling themselves. But just because our brain or flesh limit us does not mean we should not strive to learn. Our spirits can connect to God and the Holy Spirit can guide us so long as we let him. Like when Jesus called to Peter to walk on the water.
Matthew 14
28 “Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”


29 “Come,” he said.

Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!”


31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”

Peter's mind started to think outside of Jesus, his body felt the storm and he got scared and immediately his connection dropped and so he started to sink, even while he was right there with Jesus.

This is why Jesus warned us to watch out for false teachers because he knows that we are weak, that humans can be easily mislead.
Acts 20:28-3028
29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.
This is why we have the Bible so that we can spot incorrect teaching.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm really not pretending anything. What argument are you referring to?

I pointed out that the differences in the beliefs of different sects have been historically great enough to be a big part of the cause of endless wars. No one is denying that there are similarities between the various sects. Your argument hinges on people denying that Christians tend to believe in Jesus. No one has claimed that is what the differences between sects is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is what I tried to explain some pages back and according to you I needed sources. Well if I need a source for every post so do you.

The people who claim to be Christian because they were born to Christian parents was point 2 on my post and as I said, they are not Christians. Calling yourself something does not make you into that something. It's either ignorance of what you are claiming or wishful thinking at best. Elizabeth Warren called herself a Native American, it didn't make her one and Trump no doubt thinks himself a pretty great guy, but that doesn't make him one either.

That was not what the sources were needed for. By the way, those that do not believe in the resurrection still believe in Jesus. You seem to think that not believing in the resurrection is not believing in Jesus. Those people still are Christians, they are simply not your sort of Christians.

 

[klutedavid]

Due to the fact that life is the product of evolution there can be no hard definition of "species". If creationism was true then such a definition should be possible.

And Pluto was demoted because the definition of a planet was made more concise. There really was not much of a choice. It fails as a planet by more than one category. In the sciences changes are usually due to improvements in the sciences, not by votes.

But there was a vote on Pluto.

 

[klutedavid]

No, my point stands.

All people who have the correct answer regarding the shape of the Earth are in complete agreement with each other.

Those who do not agree are incorrect.

Go tell the Flat Earth Society that and see how they react.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But there was a vote on Pluto.

Yes, but that was a rare exception. It would likely have happened anyway, it was merely faster due to the vote. There are two key factors. A planet needs to clear its orbit. That is clearly not the case with Pluto. Second if it has a moon the moon has to orbit around the planet. That does not happen with Pluto. The braycenter of the orbit of Pluto's moon is outside of the planet.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Go tell the Flat Earth Society that and see how they react.

Using demonstrably delusional people does not help your claim. Of course the difference between YEC's and Flat Earther's is only a very small matter of degree. They both deny the science that they depend on. Making both of them hypocrites.

 

[miknik5]

I don't know how to explain it any clearer.

Two people have said that Kylie went to the shops. That is the foundation of their statement, and they both share the same foundation. They both say that Kylie went to the shops today.

Do you get that part?

It has nothing to do with anything that I have said regarding THE FOUNDATION...
Sorry...

I can´t even take what I have said and apply it to your scenario.

There is ONE foundation among the many outward structures of the ¨institution/(shop- from your example)¨ called the church...every outward church should have as its foundation, the truth of CHRIST and the MESSAGE of THE CROSS...

That´s it...

If one said, Kylie went to church today...and then someone else said she went elsewhere, it is clear that either kylie went to church and then afterwards to other various shops...but there is no confusion that a church is very much different from the various other shops that were visited...

Sorry...