Questions with Regards to Spiritualism and Witchraft

[Donna Perry]

Yesterday I had decided to do a study on Witchcraft and Spiritualism. For the last 4 years I went down this path willingly and of my own free choice. I was studying within the Christian perspective and read and studied the verses that are against witchcraft and all that it entails. Yes, the bible states that it is detestable and an abomination towards God, however, the questions are how and why is it detestable and an abomination to God? Also it stated that God would literally kill and command the Israelites to put to death anyone who practiced witchcraft? If this is the case then why are we not doing that today? What is the difference between what the Old Testament followed compared to today? Yes, I am also aware that the scripture states that anyone who practices witchcraft will also be in the Lake of Fire on the Day of Judgment.

What defines certain practices as being witchcraft? Yes, there is the black witchcraft that is sacrificing children, animals, people, and putting curses and hexes upon people. Yet there is the White witchcraft or Wicca which is strictly worshipping nature and being kind to nature. So why is Wicca or white witchcraft considered evil?

Are other practices, such as reiki, energy healing, cleansing of the chakras and aura, doing meditation, and being mindful. Is this witchcraft? If so why and how?

I personally do not desire to practice witchcraft, nor am I into cursing and hexing people. My desire is to be mindful at the moment, meditate, as there are many ways of doing meditation and do self-healing. I am not into spirit guides, speaking to spirits of dead people, nor am I into mediums. I just want the basics.

So if I desire to better myself in meditation, self-healing, nature, herbs, cleansing of chakras and the aura, how could this be considered witchcraft?

Donna

 

[Tolworth John]

So why is Wicca or white witchcraft considered evil?

Your definition, it is the worship of nature.
That is why it is evil, yes evil, it is not the exclusive worship of God.

Why aren't witches put to death, simple that is not part of the legal punishment set in today's laws.
Instead we have the killing of those who are inconvenient in abortion, infancide and euthanasia.

 

[Mantishand]

Worship the creator not the creation. God created nature. He is jealous of you. He loves you and you love his creation, Therein is the problem.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Yet there is the White witchcraft or Wicca which is strictly worshipping nature and being kind to nature. So why is Wicca or white witchcraft considered evil?

Wiccan practices and the like often require acknowledging other deities, calling upon them, etc.

In the Christian world, "pagan" is frequently used interchangeably with "satanic". For practitioners of pagan religion, it's not that simple. In good faith, they believe they're calling upon non-God and non-satanic forces. "Gaia" and the like.

But Sacred Scripture is quite clear about this. We are to have no other god besides God Himself.

There is the spiritual aspect of that commandment. God is entitled to our worship.

But I have long suspected that there is also a practical, functional aspect to that commandment. I believe that by and large, the darkness is restrained from doing just whatever they want whenever they want in most cases. But people who actively call upon forces which are not God could be inviting darkness into their lives.

Who's to say that a ritual for "Gaia" or somebody doesn't invite the darkness in? There's no such thing as "harmless" when it comes to this.

So I cannot more strongly discourage participation of any kind in spells, rituals, summonings or what have you. Doing so could risk inviting forces that you do not understand and cannot control.

If you ask me, it's best to just stay away from it entirely.

 

[Donna Perry]

Hi Tolworth John,

You stated, "Instead we have the killing of those who are inconvenient in abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia."

Is that not also considered evil and of witchcraft? How can one excuse this as not being evil? Is this not considered murder?

 

[Donna Perry]

Hi Mantishand,

You stated, "Worship the creator not the creation. God created nature."

If one takes care of nature is this not worshiping the Creator? And how can taking care of nature and admiring it be considered worshipping nature instead of the Creator God? And how is taking care of nature considered witchcraft?

Donna

 

[Donna Perry]

Hi ColorsBlend,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

As my first post I do not worship spirits, or call the dead, nor speak to spirits or the dead. Why? Because I am wise enough not to open doors to other realms that I will regret later. Nor do I summon any dead spirits and I don't seek out spirit guides.

My way of appreciating nature is simply by admiring it and taking care of it as I know the Creator God would have us to do. Did He not command Adam and Eve to take care of the Garden of Eden and to tend to it? Also I use nature for health purposes such as herbs.

Also per my first post I do not believe in cursing or hexing people. Why? Because I would not want any of the curses to come back at me seven times worse. I know better in that sense.

Donna

 

[Donna Perry]

So far no one answered to rather meditating, being mindful and healing self including the chakras and aura is wrong, evil, or witchcraft. Why is that?

 

[Josheb]

Yesterday I had decided to do a study on Witchcraft and Spiritualism.

Why? Why not study godly things first and do so to the point at which you're understanding insulates you from such curiosities?

For the last 4 years I went down this path willingly and of my own free choice. I was studying within the Christian perspective and read and studied the verses that are against witchcraft and all that it entails....

Can you not see that this is still an influence of the previously existing condition in which witchcraft (an oxymoronic term) and spiritualism (why are the capitalized?) were of greater influence? Their influence may be diminished but it clearly remains. Liken this to any bondage: is a little heroin okay? Is a little pornography acceptable? How much adultery is tolerable? How much idolatry?

this is what can be called the influence of antithesis.

First become firmly established in thesis and then perhaps maybe possibly you will be called by your Master to do something about the prior bondage on behalf of the God's purpose in your life on behalf of others in the kingdom and do so in a victoriously redemptive manner.

 

[Tolworth John]

Hi Tolworth John,

You stated, "Instead we have the killing of those who are inconvenient in abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia."

Is that not also considered evil and of witchcraft? How can one excuse this as not being evil? Is this not considered murder?

I was linking the evils of these vile practices with the evils of not worshipping God.

 

[Josheb]

Yes, the bible states that it is detestable and an abomination towards God, however, the questions are how and why is it detestable and an abomination to God? Also it stated that God would literally kill and command the Israelites to put to death anyone who practiced witchcraft?

How and why is that the question?

If this is the case then why are we not doing that today?

Ahhh... I see; this op is really about some indirect indictment of the ekklesia" WE are not doing something we should but doing and "WE" are doing something(s) we ought not to be doing.

Proof, please.



Before we proceed any further please evidence this idea we are not doing what we're supposed to be doing in regard to witchcraft and spiritualism. Otherwise, clarify and better articulate your position so that it does not carry the insinuation "we" aren't doing something we're supposed to be doing.

 

[Josheb]

Also it stated that God would literally kill and command the Israelites to put to death anyone who practiced witchcraft? If this is the case then why are we not doing that today? What is the difference between what the Old Testament followed compared to today? Yes, I am also aware that the scripture states that anyone who practices witchcraft will also be in the Lake of Fire on the Day of Judgment.

You've just answered your own question: "we" do not kill people for practicing witchcraft because God has already decided the matter: they will receive their recompense in the lake of fire on the day of judgment. Like all the rest of us .

 

[Michie]

So far no one answered to rather meditating, being mindful and healing self including the chakras and aura is wrong, evil, or witchcraft. Why is that?

This is the wrong forum imo. This is Christian advice. Your thread would probably be more productive here. https://www.christianforums.com/forums/christianity-and-world-religion.76/

It’s turning into debate more than advice. New Age is dangerous. Mixing it with Christianity is going to put you in a position that’s spiritually dangerous.

 

[Michie]

Sharon Lee Giganti discusses problems with New Age practices.

What is meant by karma, and why would someone use it as an explanation? Does this even relate to our faith as Christians?

I used to read A Course in Miracles and listen to Wayne Dyer, but not any longer. Could these practices still be affecting my life and my apathy?

The New Age Deception

 

[Michie]

A Catholic priest who had been deeply involved in the New Age movement before his reconversion to his Catholic roots, tells of his involvement in it and then how he was healed of the New Age influence on his soul.
see www.catholicmessenger.net/2011/01/catholics-and-the-dangers-of-new-age-movement/

 

[Donna Perry]

Michie,

You are probably right however I did not know where to post my questions.

Also I am not looking for a debate, I'm looking for answers. I did not ask anyone to judge or condemn me.

As for others who did answer, thank you.

Donna

 

[Michie]

Michie,

You are probably right however I did not know where to post my questions.

Also I am not looking for a debate, I'm looking for answers. I did not ask anyone to judge or condemn me.

As for others who did answer, thank you.

Donna

I’m not judging or condemning you. My sister got involved in New Age and there was not a good result. New Age is basically about control.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Hi ColorsBlend,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

As my first post I do not worship spirits, or call the dead, nor speak to spirits or the dead. Why? Because I am wise enough not to open doors to other realms that I will regret later. Nor do I summon any dead spirits and I don't seek out spirit guides.

My way of appreciating nature is simply by admiring it and taking care of it as I know the Creator God would have us to do. Did He not command Adam and Eve to take care of the Garden of Eden and to tend to it? Also I use nature for health purposes such as herbs.

Also per my first post I do not believe in cursing or hexing people. Why? Because I would not want any of the curses to come back at me seven times worse. I know better in that sense.

I understand all of that. However, I personally think those activities are a little too close to the edge. I believe that Christians should stay as far away from magicks and similar stuff as possible. Avoid it and have nothing whatever to do with it.

That's simply my opinion. You can do what you want. I just think those are objects and practices that are best left alone. And certainly kept out of your home. But it's your call.

So far no one answered to rather meditating, being mindful and healing self including the chakras and aura is wrong, evil, or witchcraft. Why is that?

I can't speak for anybody else but I wrote a kind of long post already and I didn't want to write even more stuff as some people get annoyed by that.

 

[Michie]

I understand all of that. However, I personally think those activities are a little too close to the edge. I believe that Christians should stay as far away from magicks and similar stuff as possible. Avoid it and have nothing whatever to do with it.

That's simply my opinion. You can do what you want. I just think those are objects and practices that are best left alone. And certainly kept out of your home. But it's your call.

I can't speak for anybody else but I wrote a kind of long post already and I didn't want to write even more stuff as some people get annoyed by that.

The practice is incredibly circular. Whatever you do, it’s never enough. It is about control but it controls the practitioner. I had to take my sister to the mental hospital twice because of it. Not counting the times her husband took her. It’s not harmless.

 

[Josheb]

What defines certain practices as being witchcraft? Yes, there is the black witchcraft....

Where in the Bible might I find the phrase "black witchcraft"?

Can you not recognize the fact you've already begun defining the term by secular non-scriptural means? Why wasn't the definition begun with an appeal and exegesis of the Hebrew and Greek transliteration, or perhaps a reference to the cultural practices and significance relevant to the OT and NT texts and what God was addressing in the holy people of that era?

Once again you've couched your response in the antithesis, not the thesis of God's word. I respectfully suggest this too as a residual or latent effect of the prior condition.

...Yet there is the White witchcraft or Wicca...

No, scripturally speaking, there is no such thing as "white witchcraft." These are terms the "witches" use to discriminate among themselves to justify themselves.

I personally do not desire to practice witchcraft...

Then stop.

Phillipians 4:8
"And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure, and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise."​

Start there.

...nor am I into cursing and hexing people.

Great. Are you into blessing, encouraging, praising, and edifying people? Again I exhort you to look at your post here and see how much it is couched in the residue of the prior condition. Christianity is a whole-person experience that requires, among many other things, the renewal of our mind such that we think, speak, and act in godly manners. To use an analogy from psychology, recovery or sobriety is a lifestyle, not an episode of abstinence. It is challenging to ferret out the vestiges of bondage and idolatry.

My desire is to be mindful at the moment, meditate, as there are many ways of doing meditation and do self-healing. I am not into spirit guides, speaking to spirits of dead people, nor am I into mediums. I just want the basics.

Great! Are those being defined as scripture defines them?

So if I desire to better myself in meditation, self-healing, nature, herbs, cleansing of chakras and the aura, how could this be considered witchcraft?

Donna

Is meditation understood from a Biblical perspective? I ask this as a former Buddhist who spent years learning about and practicing meditation as a Buddhist from a Buddhist pov. The Bible has much different things to say about this.

Do you understand "self-healing" as the Bible asserts it? Can you even find a place where "self-healing" is asserted? If not then maybe discard that idea and practice the kind of healing the Bible does asserts. Start with 147:1-3 and then maybe mine the principles found in Acts 9:34, for example.

Where might I find chakras in the Bible. If they are not there then why think they have any veracity, much less any efficacy. Do you measure anxiety, for example, through Manipura or by what God's word says about anxiety? Is overcoming temptation, adapting to unforeseen problems, or victory over fear of failure measured by Manipura or the Bible?



Because if the answers to any of these questions then there is an issue of idolatry involved.


At the root of witchcraft is idolatry, the establishment of something other than God as valuable over God and His word correctly understood. In Hebrew one of the terms used for witchcraft is "qəsāmîm" (H7080) which more accurately means "divination." Other terms in Hebrew have to do with the use of enchantments, and omens, etc. In the Greek the term witchcraft is the word "pharmakeia" which is the term from which we get "pharmacy" or "pharmaceutical," because in Paul's day witchcraft often used drugs or certain foods to manipulate people. Throughout the period of the Bible these conditions were invariable associated with pagan practices tied to pagan gods and pagan views of the world.

God has called His people to be holy. The word "holy" simply means "separate." We are to separate ourselves from worldly ways of thinking, not just worldly ways of living.


How can self-healing, chakras, auras, herbs, and meditation be witchcraft? Anything not done in righteousness is sin (1 Jn. 5:17). Anything not done in faith is sin (Rom. 14:23). Since our righteousness and faith are found in Christ alone, anything not couched in Christ as the Bible defines the condition, is idolatrous - an elevation of something else above that which God has stated either in word or principle in his revelation to us.