Savior of the World, or Eternal Failure?

[Neogaia777]

Is this what the Bible teaches?

Don't worry, if you go to Hell, it will not be that bad, and you'll only be taught obedience there, and you will still eventually go to and get to be in Heaven anyway, so it won't really be that bad, and the decision doesn't really need to be made here, since He is a God of such great and never ending and great abounding Love and all, etc, etc, ect, it's not that imporatant and not really all that bad if you don't make the decision to be saved now or here, etc, as it does not really have any everlasting consequences anyway, etc, so don't really be worried or concern yourself too much with it ok, cause God doesn't want you to do that anyway, being such a great God of Love and all, etc, etc, etc, kay sera sera, all is sunshine and flowers and rainbows and lollypops, etc, only that part is forever though, etc, God being such a great God of Love and all, etc.

No, that is not what the Bible teaches, it teaches that the decision has to be made here, and that it most certainly does have everlasting and eternal consequences that cannot be changed after that, or after this, etc, and if we are not teaching people this (truth) and warning them about it, then we are not teaching them the truth of the Bible and are doing them a great great diservice and are promoting a very very false God, etc, one that is of our own idea and making etc, and we ourselves could wind up in Hell for that, etc, and/as that is also what the Bible also says and actually teaches also, etc.

I've reconciled this without Him being a monster, but just because the rest of you can't, does not mean you should be spreading a false God or promoting false truth and not warning people about this just because you can't, etc. Cause in my opinion you should maybe wind up in Hell for that, etc.

God Bless!

And beyond it/that/this, I have even 100% completely and fully reconciled even God 100% predestining and/or sending them there, and/or making them for there (Hell), etc, (and it being eternal, etc), without Him being a monster and still being a God of "Love", etc...

But I don't think any of you guys are anywhere even remotely close or anywhere near remotely ready for that yet, some just can't handle staying on the very hard and very narrow path (of truth) (and real Bible truth), etc...

And while I may understand, it still may still not mean that you 100% will not go to and/or wind up in Hell for it, etc...

Then I guess you will find out and/or discover just how bad, or how truly eternal it actually is, etc...

And that for yourselves and firsthand, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Saint Steven]

ETERNITY IS A STATE OF ABSOLUTE TIMELESSNESS, not of unending time. Eternity is a STATE OF BEING, resident in the very nature and person of God in which such concepts as past, present, future, before, after, change, transition, growth, decay, etc. do not exist. It is wrong to assert that, when time ends, eternity will begin, because eternity has no beginning. Neither did it end when time began, as so many charts indicate. Therefore it is very important that we make a clear distinction between ages, which belong to time, and eternity, which is timeless. It is more important still that we, in our study of the Bible, search out diligently those passages which refer to time and those which refer to eternity. Do you have it yet? Do you see? Time is not part of eternity; eternity is not composed of segments of time. Eternity is not time standing still; it is simply not time at all. Eternity doesn't go on and on and on, ad infinitum. Eternity doesn't go anywhere, nor does it do anything. Eternity simply IS. Eternity is part of the very nature and person of God. Eternity transcends beyond our knowing anything having to do with time. It is not time at all. It is just a glorious experience of BEING! Eternity simply IS, just as God simply IS. Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM" (Jn. 8:58) - not "Before Abraham was, I WAS." There are not past or future tenses in eternity. There is only one eternal NOW.

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1

 

[Neogaia777]

While you guys quibble over specific words, Jesus warnings about it were still 100% very, very, very clear, and that no one should ever take it lightly, etc, no not by any means ever, etc, (or ever teach that, etc) and also that the decision here should be taken very, very, very seriously, etc, and I think he was also very, very clear that there were absolutely no other, or any other "second chances", or any getting into heaven ever, no not ever, after that or after this, etc, or after this life here, etc, and that if the decision was not made in this life here, before you died here, etc, you would never ever, no not in a million years ever, ever get into heaven ever, after going to or being sent to Hell after this life, or in the afterlife, etc...

And just so were clear, no one that ever goes or is sent to Hell after they die here, ever gets into heaven after that ever, or after that or this, etc, or if the decision is not made here before that here, etc, OK...

That is a false doctrine and teaching that promotes a very false God, that is one of man's "most comfortable making", etc, and is very, very, very wrong on so very, very, very many levels, etc, that I think it will land someone in, or will send someone straight to Hell, etc...

Then they will find out for themselves, I guess, right...?

Anyway,

Anyway, as I already said, the narrow path or road or staying on it is not easy by any means and is not meant to be, by any means, etc...

Your guys path is very, very, very broad, and it should automatically tell you it is not the right one, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Saint Steven]

No, that is not what the Bible teaches, it teaches that the decision has to be made here...

Let's take a look at those scriptures. Bring it on, friend.

 

[Neogaia777]

ETERNITY IS A STATE OF ABSOLUTE TIMELESSNESS, not of unending time. Eternity is a STATE OF BEING, resident in the very nature and person of God in which such concepts as past, present, future, before, after, change, transition, growth, decay, etc. do not exist. It is wrong to assert that, when time ends, eternity will begin, because eternity has no beginning. Neither did it end when time began, as so many charts indicate. Therefore it is very important that we make a clear distinction between ages, which belong to time, and eternity, which is timeless. It is more important still that we, in our study of the Bible, search out diligently those passages which refer to time and those which refer to eternity. Do you have it yet? Do you see? Time is not part of eternity; eternity is not composed of segments of time. Eternity is not time standing still; it is simply not time at all. Eternity doesn't go on and on and on, ad infinitum. Eternity doesn't go anywhere, nor does it do anything. Eternity simply IS. Eternity is part of the very nature and person of God. Eternity transcends beyond our knowing anything having to do with time. It is not time at all. It is just a glorious experience of BEING! Eternity simply IS, just as God simply IS. Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I AM" (Jn. 8:58) - not "Before Abraham was, I WAS." There are not past or future tenses in eternity. There is only one eternal NOW.

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1

And how does any of this change the fact that there is an eternal Hell...?

And we do not immediately go to a place that is completely timeless, if that ever happens at all, only the Father God alone is beyond or is 100% completely outside or is 100% absent of all time, etc, only the Father alone, etc, we might be a part of other Creations after this one, then ones after that, and ones after that, etc, etc, etc, and be an eternal part of all their beginnings and endings, etc, and new beginnings, etc, and always after an ending, a new beginning, etc, then other endings, etc, for "eternity", etc, but as for us ever being completely out of and 100% completely outside of, or 100% beyond any kind of concepts of time at all, only the Father alone is that, and so, the only way to do or be or become like that, or be that, is to 100% be or become like and be 100% completely equal with Him (The Father God alone), etc...

Otherwise it doesn't happen, etc, but we are just part of endings and new beginnings, and other new beginnings and other endings, etc, and that for eternity, or that being eternal, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Let's take a look at those scriptures. Bring it on, friend.

How about all the ones that says "you will not ever by any means ever enter the Kingdom of God or Heaven", etc, and I'll leave you to look them up, K...?

Cause most of those are about Heaven and/or Hell, as it/they relate to sin, etc...

Meaning a conscious decision has to be made here to not go there (Hell) or you never get out of there, etc, and never ever get to go to, or ever get to ever enter Heaven after that, etc...

Look them up yourself.

I'm not doing it for you, etc...

Jesus (and some of the apostles) warnings is/are pretty clear that there are no second chances after this life, and if you do go to Hell, you don't ever go to, or ever get to enter into Heaven ever after that, etc...

And those not teaching this truth, and warning others concerning this truth, are false, and may just find out for themselves, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Der Alte]

Let's take a look at those scriptures. Bring it on, friend.

John 9:4
4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.​

What was Jesus' work?

Luke 4:18-19
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.​

Jesus' work, did not include going to hell/the grave and preaching to dead spirits.

 

[Neogaia777]

Jesus, when He died in His flesh here, went to Hades during the halfway point of this Creation and did preach to those who were there at that time, but this was to those who were only getting a second chance only because some of them really did not have much of a first chance before that being those who were previously only under the only the OT Law covenant and never got to hear about the Gospel of Grace, etc, and this was the only reason why, etc, but never after that, etc, this happens only during the halfway point of a Creation and only with the messiah only and never ever after that ever again, etc, at least, not until the final judgment at the very end of a and/or all or this Creation anyway, when they will (all) be judged according to their (good or bad) deeds and/or works, etc, but that is those in "Hades" and not Hell, etc, although Hades is/was sometimes translated Hell, etc, the real Hell is the Lake of Fire that people are sent to after being ressurected (and/or preached to, etc) and judged, etc, and that is forvever and is eternal, etc, while Hades is like it, but is a holding place or part of this or these Creations, etc, "a Hades" ends when those Creation(s) end(s), and a new one(s) comes into place when this Creation ends and a new one (or ones) begins again, etc, and pretty much all is done and/or is all repeated over again, etc...

But those who are in or go into Hades, or stay in Hades, after hearing the Gospel message of Grace with Christ, and fully and completely rejecting it, etc, only have the Lake of Fire only to look forward to ever, and that, "forever", after that, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Jesus, when He died in His flesh here, went to Hades during the halfway point of this Creation and did preach to those who were there at that time, but this was to those who were only getting a second chance only because some of them really did not have much of a first chance before that being those who were previously only under the only the OT Law covenant and never got to hear about the Gospel of Grace, etc, and this was the only reason why, etc, but never after that, etc, this happens only during the halfway point of a Creation and only with the messiah only and never ever after that ever again, etc, at least, not until the final judgment at the very end of a and/or all or this Creation anyway, when they will (all) be judged according to their (good or bad) deeds and/or works, etc, but that is those in "Hades" and not Hell, etc, although Hades is/was sometimes translated Hell, etc, the real Hell is the Lake of Fire that people are sent to after being ressurected (and/or preached to, etc) and judged, etc, and that is forvever and is eternal, etc, while Hades is like it, but is a holding place or part of this or these Creations, etc, "a Hades" ends when those Creation(s) end(s), and a new one(s) comes into place when this Creation ends and a new one (or ones) begins again, etc, and pretty much all is done and/or is all repeated over again, etc...

But those who are in or go into Hades, or stay in Hades, after hearing the Gospel message of Grace with Christ, and fully and completely rejecting it, etc, only have the Lake of Fire only to look forward to ever, and that, "forever", after that, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Oh, and not all the dead who die go to, or are all conscious in Hades, only specific ones are until the final judgement, etc... (or the judgement at the midpoint with the messiah or Christ, etc)...

But they will all be resurrected at the final judgement together, etc... (Judged either according to their good or bad acts or works or deeds, etc)...

Some will go to Heaven and others to the Lake of Fire, etc...

Of which there is not ever any kind of coming back and is 100% eternal after that, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Oh, and not all the dead who die go to, or are all conscious in Hades, only specific ones are until the final judgement, etc... (or the judgement at the midpoint with the messiah or Christ, etc)...

But they will all be resurrected at the final judgement together, etc... (Judged either according to their good or bad acts or works or deeds, etc)...

Some will go to Heaven and others to the Lake of Fire, etc...

Of which there is not ever any kind of coming back and is 100% eternal after that, etc...

God Bless!

And at that point, true justice will become known, etc...

But not really until then, etc...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

And at that point, true justice will become known, etc...

But not really until then, etc...

God Bless!

And those who are fortunate enough to come to know true justice and go to Heaven after that time, will be transformed or will become permanently changed in that very instant, etc, and will be or become both one with and like one of the Holy ones or the Holy Angels of God after that, and that will be "forever" after that, etc...

And will be getting to be or take an eternal part in all of any and all Creations begginings and or endings and everthing in-between after that, and that "forever" after that, etc...

But some will go to the Lake of Fire, etc... Probably those who rejected true justice, etc, or were found of the wrong side of true justice, etc...

God Bless!

 

[agapelove]

Jesus, when He died in His flesh here, went to Hades during the halfway point of this Creation and did preach to those who were there at that time, but this was to those who were only getting a second chance only because some of them really did not have much of a first chance before that being those who were previously only under the only the OT Law covenant and never got to hear about the Gospel of Grace, etc, and this was the only reason why, etc, but never after that, etc,

Billions of people continue to die today without getting to hear the Gospel of Grace.

Do these people get a second chance?

 

[Neogaia777]

Billions of people continue to die today without getting to hear the Gospel of Grace.

Do these people get a second chance?

First I would ask you, "Do they or did they really", etc...?

Since almost all know it in their hearts nowadays, etc...?

Then I would just have to tell you that in the last final judgement/resurrection, right before this Creation ends, and a new one begins, that they will be resurrected each to be judged (decided where they should go) each one according to his or her own, either good or bad works or actions or deeds, and probably also whether those either went or were either for or against, or were going against their own consciences or not, or what they knew was to be right or true, or good or bad, or right or wrong, in their own hearts and/or consciences or not, etc...

And that's about all I can tell you cause anything else or more would be going beyond the extent or what I currently know, etc...

Anyway, I hope that helps...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

First I would ask you, "Do they or did they really", etc...?

Since almost all know it in their hearts nowadays, etc...?

Then I would just have to tell you that in the last final judgement/resurrection, right before this Creation ends, and a new one begins, that they will be resurrected each to be judged (decided where they should go) each one according to his or her own, either good or bad works or actions or deeds, and probably also whether those either went or were either for or against, or were going against their own consciences or not, or what they knew was to be right or true, or good or bad, or right or wrong, in their own hearts and/or consciences or not, etc...

And that's about all I can tell you cause anything else or more would be going beyond the extent or what I currently know, etc...

Anyway, I hope that helps...?

God Bless!

People while they were in and/or under or only knew of law, etc, had this confused at that time, etc...

And some of it may or may not have been their own fault with some of them, etc...

But now or since the days after that, people have known, etc, a lot of them have just chosen to ignore it, etc...

God Bless!

 

[agapelove]

But now or since the days after that, people have known, etc, a lot of them have just chosen to ignore it, etc...

No unfortunately that is not true.

Nearly 500,000 villages in India have no Christian presence. Ninety percent of unreached people live in places resistant to religious freedom. There are more than 4,000 people groups that are less than two percent Christian. More than 500 people groups worldwide have no Christian presence and no one attempting to reach them.

 

[Neogaia777]

No unfortunately that is not true.

Nearly 500,000 villages in India have no Christian presence. Ninety percent of unreached people live in places resistant to religious freedom. There are more than 4,000 people groups that are less than two percent Christian. More than 500 people groups worldwide have no Christian presence and no one attempting to reach them.

First off, It doesn't take any kind of Christian presence to "know", etc, but/and/or because, in the end, each one will be judged according to their own individual good or bad acts or actions or works or deeds, etc, and this/these will be done by God and not us, etc, and I am 100% confident that He will take any and all "factors" fully and 100% completely into account in each one of those "individual judgements", etc, OK...

And "true justice" will become "fully known", etc, OK...

Just have faith in Him, etc, and know that He is 100% good and the only One truly just, etc, OK...

He will not hold people 100% accountable or 100% truly fully responsible for something, or some things, that they were not 100% truly and fully responsible for, etc, OK...

We'll find out in the judgement, K...?

Until then just have faith, OK, and make sure you for your part are fully following your own heart and conscience and are not going against it, OK...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

No unfortunately that is not true.

Nearly 500,000 villages in India have no Christian presence. Ninety percent of unreached people live in places resistant to religious freedom. There are more than 4,000 people groups that are less than two percent Christian. More than 500 people groups worldwide have no Christian presence and no one attempting to reach them.

The "message" Christ preached was not "new" at all, but was very, very, very, "old", etc, and goes way, way back to a time (a beginning) when it was known by all without any Christains or religious people or pastors or teachers or preachers at all, etc, and still is inside of all deep down, etc, how deep might depend on how much "dogma" was all piled on top of it to confuse it after that, etc, but God knows all of that, and I'm sure will take that all into account, when judging, etc, we will probably wind up being responsible for some things and not as much responsible for others, or other things, etc, most of us anyway, but then some of us might be held more responsible for say, things that were known within, than some others are or may be who maybe didn't know as much about it, etc, but still had it, etc, but how much for each one, God only knows, etc, and I'm sure will take it all into account in the judgement or when judging, etc...

Then after that, we will know, etc...

Good from bad, heaven from hell, right from wrong, good from evil, etc, and that, in all things, and in all people, and in everything, etc, but not until then or after that or after then, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[Broken Fence]

Untold billions of human beings have lived and died without hearing the gospel of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. What has become of them? Is there no hope? For more than six thousand years generations of men, like the grass, have appeared and in a few fleeting years withered and vanished. Whence came those countless billions of human beings, and where do they go? This is the problem which has preoccupied the world's thought since the dawn of history. This is the question about which philosophers have theorized and theologians have dogmatized. Unquestionably the problem of the eternal destiny of mankind is the question of questions! It concerns every individual and touches everything of enduring interest. Life is a vapor that appears for a while and vanishes away. But there is a beyond! What is that beyond to be?

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1

1 Peter 3:18-22

 

[Neogaia777]

We all knew it from within at one point in time, because it was with us in the beginning, but at some point it got confused or we chose to not or stop listening to it, and since then, and with Christ, He was trying to take us back to that, to hearing it again, and to clear up the confusion, etc, but it is not new, not new at all, and it's nothing that we still don't all each still have with us, and still fully know within, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

 

[ClementofA]

John 9:4
4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

​

What was Jesus' work?

Luke 4:18-19
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.​

Jesus' work, did not include going to hell/the grave and preaching to dead spirits.

Where do those Scriptures, or any other, say "Jesus' work, did not include going to hell/the grave and preaching to dead spirits"?

‘But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.’ John 12:32.

All men? Like Pharoah?

What happens to an 8 to 15 year old who never heard the gospel and died as an unbeliever? Burns in hell forever?

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.

“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”

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One thing God has spoken, two things I have heard: “Power belongs to you, God, and with you, Lord, is unfailing love”; Psalm 62:11b-12a

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf