Who Changed Genesis?

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I'm getting to the simple conspiracy theory.

Or no conspiracy at all?

 

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Cainan (from Hebrew: קֵינָן Qēnān) is mentioned in the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Book of Genesis, the Book of Jubilees and the genealogy of Jesus given in Luke 3:36 in the New Testament. He is described as a son of Arpachshad and father of Salah, who lived in the time between Noah and Abraham.

The postdiluvian Cainan doesn't appear in the (Proto-)Masoretic Text, the most common Hebrew version of Genesis, where Arpachshad is noted as the father of Salah. He is also omitted from the writings of the Jewish historian Josephus. Early Christian writers Irenaeus and Eusebius of Caesarea believed his presence to be an error mainly on the basis of his omission from the (Proto-)Masoretic Text, and many subsequent interpreters followed this. However Helen Jacobus has argued that the omission from the Masoretic text is deliberate.[1]

Cainan - Wikipedia

 

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Or no conspiracy at all?

We shall see.

Titus Flavius Josephus (/dʒoʊˈsiːfəs/;[2] Greek: Φλάβιος Ἰώσηπος; 37 – c. 100)

Josephus - Wikipedia

 

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Luke was written after 84 AD, and was unaffected. Whoever changed it, probably wasn't Christian.

omitted from the writings of the Jewish historian Josephus

Titus Flavius Josephus (/dʒoʊˈsiːfəs/;[2] Greek: Φλάβιος Ἰώσηπος; 37 – c. 100)

Down to a 16 year window.

 

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I believe the LXX is a counterfeit. The KJV is the pure Word of God for today. Back then: Jesus quoted from Hebrews texts and not Greek. For salvation was of the Jews.

Jots and tittles are from the Hebrew, and not Greek, and Jesus talked about jots and tittles.

 

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I believe the LXX is a counterfeit. The KJV is the pure Word of God for today. Back then: Jesus quoted from Hebrews texts and not Greek. For salvation was of the Jews.

Jots and tittles are from the Hebrew, and not Greek, and Jesus talked about jots and tittles.

Go back to the OP. We have three witnesses testifying against one, one of them being Luke of the KJV. The KJV testifies against itself.

The CLV gets this one correct.

(CLV) Gn 10:22
Shem's sons: Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram.

(CLV) Gn 10:23
Aram's sons: Uz, Hul, Gether and Mash.

(CLV) Gn 10:24
Arphaxad begot Cainan, Cainan begot Shelah, and Shelah begot Eber.

Most translations don't.

 

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Back then: Jesus quoted from Hebrews texts and not Greek.

That would not be correct.

 

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Just curious, what is the scripture reference for this?

Genesis 10:22 Arphaxad is listed in this verse
as the third son of Shem.

Genesis 11:10: “These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood.”

Shem’s first two sons, Elam or Asshur missing.

“Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah”

If they were working alongside Nimrod, you can
see why Shem (and God) rejected them from
His birthright.

Asshur parted with his father and became
the progenitor of the Assyrian people.

Historian Josephus recorded concerning Asshur:

“Shem, the third son of Noah, had five sons.…
Ashur lived at the city of Nieve; and named his subjects Assyrians, who became the most fortunate nation, beyond others” (Antiquities, i, vi, 4).

Also Asshur, father of the Assyrians, and Arphaxad, whose line Abraham descended
from, both came from Shem.

Abraham Defeats the Assyrians in
Genesis 14:1-2

 

[Minister Monardo]

IMHO

what it is?

 

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what it is?

In My Humble Opinion.

Sorry about that. Web talk can be annoying.

 

[Minister Monardo]

I believe the LXX is a counterfeit. The KJV is the pure Word of God for today. Back then: Jesus quoted from Hebrews texts and not Greek. For salvation was of the Jews.

Paul's quotes match the Septuagint, not the Hebrew. The Septuagint was the work of the early Rabbinic period and the direct predecessors of the Pharisees. Many comparisons confirm.

 

[Minister Monardo]

In My Humble Opinion.

Sorry about that. Web talk can be annoying.

No apologies necessary. I can use that, if I may be so humble.

 

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Go back to the OP. We have three witnesses testifying against one, one of them being Luke of the KJV. The KJV testifies against itself.

The CLV gets this one correct.

(CLV) Gn 10:22
Shem's sons: Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram.

(CLV) Gn 10:23
Aram's sons: Uz, Hul, Gether and Mash.

(CLV) Gn 10:24
Arphaxad begot Cainan, Cainan begot Shelah, and Shelah begot Eber.

Most translations don't.

The OP does not bring up any major missing revelation or nor does it offer contradiction of God's true pure Word.

Again, Jesus was a Jew and He did not even bother much with the Gentiles until they sought after Him. It is ridiculous that Jesus quoted from the LXX. He didn't. Matthew 5:18 makes that clear. Jots and tittles are Hebrew and not Greek. But believe as you wish, my friend. Anyways, here is an article on some problems with the LXX, too.

Lay it to Heart - The Septuagint is Incorrect
(Note: I am only agreeing with this article; It does not mean I agree with the author or the website on other things they may say).

 

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Paul's quotes match the Septuagint, not the Hebrew. The Septuagint was the work of the early Rabbinic period and the direct predecessors of the Pharisees. Many comparisons confirm.

If he did, he was quoting from a corrupted translation of the Scriptures.

Anyways, here is some problems with the LXX and why it is a counterfeit or a bad translation.

Lay it to Heart - The Septuagint is Incorrect
(Note: I am only agreeing with this article; It does not mean I agree with the author or the website on other things they may say).

 

[Minister Monardo]

I believe that the watchers are fallen angels; and that astrology is their false doctrine. It's designed to have man worship them, instead of the Creator. IMHO

I see. Then the term Watchers in Daniel 4 suggest a different point of reference than Jubilees. Fallen angels, faithful angels as shown by the context.
Daniel 4:13-17.
I beheld in the night vision upon my bed, and, behold, a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven and cried aloud, and thus he said,

14 Cut down the tree, and pluck off its branches, and shake off its leaves, and scatter its fruit: let the wild beasts be removed from under it, and the birds from its branches.

15 Only leave the stump of its roots in the earth, and bind it with an iron and brass band; and it shall lie in the grass that is without and in the dew of heaven, and its portion shall be with the wild beasts in the grass of the field.

16 His heart shall be changed from that of man, and the heart of a wild beast shall be given to him; and seven times shall pass over him.

17 The matter is by the decree of the watcher, and the demand is a word of the holy ones; that the living may known that the Lord is most high over the kingdom of men, and he will give it to whomsoever he shall please, and will set up over it that which is set at nought of men.

 

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Paul's quotes match the Septuagint, not the Hebrew. The Septuagint was the work of the early Rabbinic period and the direct predecessors of the Pharisees. Many comparisons confirm.

You also have to think that Jesus is a Jew and he would not even have anything to do with them (except for brief rare occasions when they came to Him by faith). Jesus said salvation is of the Jews. So Jesus did not quote from the LXX. Paul is also a Hebrew. He also wanted to follow after Christ as an example. Granted, salvation later went out to the Gentiles after pentecost.

 

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I see. Then the term Watchers in Daniel 4 suggest a different point of reference than Jubilees. Fallen angels, faithful angels as shown by the context.

It appears that you are correct.

It would seem that some of whom were assigned the duty of watching over man, abused their responsibility.

 

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That would not be correct.

Jots and tittles are from the Hebrew and not Greek. Jesus also said salvation was of the Jews.

 

[Minister Monardo]

You also have to think that Jesus is a Jew and he would not even have anything to do with them (except for brief rare occasions when they came to Him by faith). Jesus said salvation is of the Jews. So Jesus did not quote from the LXX. Paul is also a Hebrew. He also wanted to follow after Christ as an example.

I understand the POV of Yeshua. However, the Gospels we read rely on Greek scholarship. Luke wrote a Gospel and Acts. He was Greek or Jew? Regardless, he would have relied on the Greek OT for his work, in writing in Greek. He was never quoting Jesus directly, as he did not walk with Him. What matters is that his work is inspired. He makes more references to being "filled with the Holy Spirit" than Matthew, who was a disciple.

 

[Minister Monardo]

It would seem that some of whom were assigned the duty of watching over man, abused their responsibility.

Sound familiar? Woe to the pastors who neglect flock! (Jer 23)