What creationists need to do to win against evolution.

[xianghua]

That's merely nitpicking the aesthetics. we were talking about the functionality of an efficient design, not it's color. I'm surprised you don't recognize that there is a difference.

Besides YOU are the one arguing an "intelligent designer". We humans are good enough designers that we have put the useful functionality of wheels on automobiles, airplanes, trains, coffee carts etc.. Your "intelligent designer" was too incompetent to put the functionality of gears on anything other than the one insect you linked to.

If your "intelligent designer" were a human engineer, he'd have been fired his first day on the job.

its like asking why god didnt gave human wings. after all if its so good for birds why not using it for human too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Only animals old enough to breed were brought onto the ark; no juveniles.

The flood that wiped out the dinosaurs was likely the one just before Noah's flood.

Why aren't all animals like the cheetah? Specifically why can't you do organ transplants (within the same species of course) willy nilly without doing any crosstyping? Why can't we do that with people? The flood story implies that we should be able to.

 

[xianghua]

Your link is to a list of PRATT's. Ideas refuted a long time ago. From a dishonest site where one has to swear not to use the scientific method.

If you ask "Such as" you tell us that you do not understand the concept of evidence. For example the entire fossil record is evidence for evolution. All creationist attempts to explain it fail.

Here is just one small piece of evidence. The hips of the Australopithecus africanus are closer to human hips than to any other ape. Yet creationists improperly try to say that she was "just an ape". They are somewhat right since they "just apes" as well:

do you have any reference for the foot bones in the middle? also remember that many existing apes can walk on two. this doesnt make them more like human.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I wouldn't come to that conclusion. How this or that was accomplished is mostly speculation. For example, the location of the ark building site can be 'determined' by looking for the best place to build it based on information available. However it would still be speculation. That said there are mountains of valid information to be gathered from the narrative, as brief as it is.

What "valid information" ?

If you understood the history of the Bible you would know where this story came from. It is another example of bad theology when taken literally.

 

[Subduction Zone]

do you have any reference for the foot bones in the middle? also remember that many existing apes can walk on two. this doesnt make them more like human.

No one is claiming that they are human. The fact that we are descended from animals that most would call "reptiles" if they saw them today does not make them human either. And there have been several different finds of foot bones, along with the Laetoli footprints. Here is a link to peer reviewed papers on foot bone finds:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,48&q=australopithecus+foot&btnG=

 

[pitabread]

Just a thought:
I'm not totally opposed to evolution...
but you seem to be totally opposed to a God....
is this true?
Maybe science is too closed-minded and this is hindering further knowledge in some way?

No, I don't think I'm totally opposed to a god or gods.

Rather, because the idea has such powerful philosophical implications, I hold the standard of evidence extremely high when it comes to supporting that idea.

This is one reason I'm so critical of creationism/ID. Typically arguing for creationism or ID aren't actually arguing for those ideas; rather, they are arguing against evolution and assuming design by default.

Unfortunately, it just doesn't work that way. Design is not the null hypothesis of evolution.

If people wish to argue in favor of a supernatural deity responsible for creating or shaping life on Earth, there needs to be a powerful argument and supporting evidence for that. It all goes back to what I laid out in the OP.

 

[MIDutch]

its like asking why god didnt gave human wings. after all if its so good for birds why not using it for human too.

Exactly! Now you're getting it.

 

[Ophiolite]

its like asking why god didnt gave human wings. after all if its so good for birds why not using it for human too.

My aunt always maintained that if god had wanted humans to fly we all have been born with boarding passes.

 

[Paul James]

Only animals old enough to breed were brought onto the ark; no juveniles.

The flood that wiped out the dinosaurs was likely the one just before Noah's flood.

When it all boils down, we don't really know. Only Noah and his family were there, and we can't ask them.

 

[Paul James]

Have you ever seen the Alvis Delk artefact?

What do you think of it?

I have just had a look at an article on it and so I can respond at this time just from a glance at some images and a quick reading of the article. My first thought was that it could have come from an ancient culture that existed before the Flood when the Americas were part of the original great landmass and then separated because of the catastrophic upheavals of the earth's crust. Although none of the humans survived, their artifacts would have and could well have been more than 5000 years old.

But then, that is just my first impression, so don't be too quick to shoot me down!

 

[Quietus]

The problem is that "God did it" is not an explanation. You do not have to show how "God did it" but you would have to show how you know that he did it. And "Because the Bible says so" is not an answer either.

Did it ever occur to you that we are not entitled to know what, why, and how God does what He does? After all, our curiosity is what got us into this mess in the first place. Call it a cop-out if you must, but there is plenty of other evidence in the world that one can study to show that there are metaphysical planes at play, here.

 

[Tinker Grey]

After all, our curiosity is what got us into this mess in the first place.

And who, exactly, created us with curiousity?

 

[Paul James]

And who, exactly, created us with curiousity?

The big bang!

 

[HitchSlap]

And who, exactly, created us with curiousity?

Exactly. ‘Created sick then commanded to be well .’

 

[Subduction Zone]

Did it ever occur to you that we are not entitled to know what, why, and how God does what He does? After all, our curiosity is what got us into this mess in the first place. Call it a cop-out if you must, but there is plenty of other evidence in the world that one can study to show that there are metaphysical planes at play, here.

The evidence is there, like it or not. And no, there is no reliable evidence for the creation story. At least no creationist has ever posted any that I have seen.

The evidence for evolution is endless. The evidence that there was no flood is so powerful that to claim there was a worldwide flood is ironically a claim that God is a liar. That is why early Christian geologists concluded that there was no flood of Noah. If God can't lie there was no flood.

 

[Al Touthentop]

The evidence is there, like it or not. And no, there is no reliable evidence for the creation story. At least no creationist has ever posted any that I have seen.

The evidence for evolution is endless. The evidence that there was no flood is so powerful that to claim there was a worldwide flood is ironically a claim that God is a liar. That is why early Christian geologists concluded that there was no flood of Noah. If God can't lie there was no flood.

The evidence for evolution is spurious and vague. Scientists acknowledge that there had to have been a global flood for many reasons not the least of which is sea shells at the tops of mountains. You're just apparently not up on science.

Scientific Evidence of Flood May Give Credence to Legend of China’s First Dynasty

Ancient Chinese Megaflood May Be Fact, Not Fiction

This is from the ICR but it does contain information - evidence - of a global flood that can't be explained away by "science" since it is actually taking scientific facts and presenting them in support of a global flood theory.

The Flood, Catastrophic Plate Tectonics, and Earth History

 

[Al Touthentop]

It would work the other way around.

Plenty of gentiles accepted Jesus first and changed their pagan creation viewpoints afterward. And most Jews--who already had accepted Genesis--still refused to accept Jesus.

Pagans believed in gods. They already accepted that the world came from some god. But anyway, the Gentiles were not preached Jesus until the Jews were preached to first and had been given time to obey the gospel. About three and a half years.

 

[Quietus]

The evidence is there, like it or not. And no, there is no reliable evidence for the creation story. At least no creationist has ever posted any that I have seen.

The evidence for evolution is endless. The evidence that there was no flood is so powerful that to claim there was a worldwide flood is ironically a claim that God is a liar. That is why early Christian geologists concluded that there was no flood of Noah. If God can't lie there was no flood.

Research honestly from the perspective of your “opponent”.

https://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c007.html

Worldwide Flood, Worldwide Evidence

Evidence Noah's Biblical Flood Happened, Says Robert Ballard

9 Evidence of a Worldwide Flood

Evidence of a World-Wide Flood | Truth Watchers

 

[Subduction Zone]

The evidence for evolution is spurious and vague. Scientists acknowledge that there had to have been a global flood for many reasons not the least of which is sea shells at the tops of mountains. You're just apparently not up on science.

Scientific Evidence of Flood May Give Credence to Legend of China’s First Dynasty

Ancient Chinese Megaflood May Be Fact, Not Fiction

This is from the ICR but it does contain information - evidence - of a global flood that can't be explained away by "science" since it is actually taking scientific facts and presenting them in support of a global flood theory.

The Flood, Catastrophic Plate Tectonics, and Earth History

Oh look! One Newspaper story, they often have errors in their science, one popular fairly accurate source, and one source where people have to swear not to use the scientific method, making them all but worthless.

Yes, there have been large floods in the past. That is not evidence for the Flood of Noah, that is evidence against it. The various large floods that have occurred around the world occurred at different times. They therefore were not Noah's flood. Worse yet we have evidence for all of these smaller floods but no evidence of Noah's flood at all.

And no, the evidence for evolution is very clear. Odds are that you do not understand the concept of evidence. Would you care to discuss the topic?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Research honestly from the perspective of your “opponent”.

https://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c007.html

Worldwide Flood, Worldwide Evidence

Evidence Noah's Biblical Flood Happened, Says Robert Ballard

9 Evidence of a Worldwide Flood

Evidence of a World-Wide Flood | Truth Watchers

LOL! One does not use bogus sources when one does research from the perspective of one's opponent.

Try to find a valid source.