The Demise of Evolution

[Larniavc]

Funny... I have heard of TV Evangelists getting new revelations too.

Non sequitur?

 

[Need answers]

Yet all of the evidence says that you did.

By the way, you are still an ape. Creationists get the facts of evolution wrong all of the time. There is no "change of kinds".

No change of kinds? What? I dont know what that means but we're far above mere apes. There is a spiritual aspect to man, and a logical superiority as well, that you ignore, in favor of flawed theory that says we evolved from more primitive creatures. Truth is man can get pretty primitive even today. There are primitive cultures even today, but they are no less "evolved" than scientists are.

 

[Larniavc]

Why then do evolutionists assert this science as fact when its not definite and subject to further confirmation? Why also do some evolutionists refuse to admit that God might be the creator?

That things evolve is a fact. How that happens is understood tentatively.

People don’t admit to something they don’t think is true- do you?

 

[Need answers]

Non sequitur?

Random observation.

 

[Need answers]

That things evolve is a fact. How that happens is understood tentatively.

People don’t admit to something they don’t think is true- do you?

There are primitive cultures even today, but they are no less "evolved" than scientists are.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The principle behind it is having to acknowledge that the universe was designed, there had to be a designer, who is immensely powerful to have created a universe so vast and complex as ours is. Then, if there is an all-powerful designer then we may be morally responsible to Him seeing that He created us. But atheistic evolutionists don't want to be morally responsible to anyone. They want to be their own gods to determine what they want to do without having to answer to a God who might judge them one day. So they choose to deny that there is a God, and hold to the universe coming into being by time and chance.

But there is no evidence for that. Why believe it?

And no, evolution is not an atheistic idea. The theory of evolution was written by a theist, not an atheist. No one is "denying God". In fact there are probably more Christians that accept that evolution is a fact than believe the stories of Genesis.

In other words one does not have to deny reality to be a Christian.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are primitive cultures even today, but they are no less "evolved" than scientists are.

That is correct. You do not understand what evolving is.

 

[Need answers]

The principle behind it is having to acknowledge that the universe was designed, there had to be a designer, who is immensely powerful to have created a universe so vast and complex as ours is. Then, if there is an all-powerful designer then we may be morally responsible to Him seeing that He created us. But atheistic evolutionists don't want to be morally responsible to anyone. They want to be their own gods to determine what they want to do without having to answer to a God who might judge them one day. So they choose to deny that there is a God, and hold to the universe coming into being by time and chance.

To me there is no other answer than God being the creator.

 

[Need answers]

That is correct. You do not understand what evolving is.

Yes i do. Are you going to deny that science thinks we evolved from primitive creatures?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No change of kinds? What? I dont know what that means but we're far above mere apes. There is a spiritual aspect to man, and a logical superiority as well, that you ignore, in favor of flawed theory that says we evolved from more primitive creatures. Truth is man can get pretty primitive even today. There are primitive cultures even today, but they are no less "evolved" than scientists are.

But you are a "mere ape". Terminology matters. Now we are somewhat above other apes in some ways, but they are above us in others.

And I doubt if you can name one flaw in the theory of evolution. Creationists constantly try to claim that but can never find any flaws.

 

[Need answers]

But you are a "mere ape". Terminology matters. Now we are somewhat above other apes in some ways, but they are above us in others.

And I doubt if you can name one flaw in the theory of evolution. Creationists constantly try to claim that but can never find any flaws.

The flaw is in trusting something you admit will be wrong. You admit that theory doesnt actually prove anything because it can change and is uncertain.. I know im far above animals and am a child of the creator.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes i do. Are you going to deny that science thinks we evolved from primitive creatures?

Actually science "knows" that. There is a big difference between knowledge and belief. It is why creationists lose in court. They only have belief. Those on the science side have demonstrable knowledge.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The flaw is in trusting something you admit will be wrong. You admit that theory doesnt actually prove anything.

That is not a flaw. It is a far greater flaw to believe something already proven wrong.

 

[Need answers]

Actually science "knows" that. There is a big difference between knowledge and belief. It is why creationists lose in court. They only have belief. Those on the science side have demonstrable knowledge.

No, they cant know something that is uncertain and unproven.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

To me there is no other answer than God being the creator.

Quite right, and that Genesis 1-11 has to be the literal historic account of the origin of the universe and the world, and of Adam and Eve, otherwise the rest of the Bible is meaningless and there is no gospel of Christ.

The fact that our friends on the thread view the Bible as being meaningless to them, supports my point.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, they cant know something that is uncertain and unproven.

You do not understand knowledge, or the concept of "proof".

It is extremely arrogant of creationists to try to tell God how he had to create the Earth when his creation tells them that they are wrong.

 

[Need answers]

That is not a flaw. It is a far greater flaw to believe something already proven wrong.

What has been proven wrong? Theories can be proven wrong as you admit.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Quite right, and that Genesis 1-11 has to be the literal historic account of the origin of the universe and the world, and of Adam and Eve, otherwise the rest of the Bible is meaningless and there is no gospel of Christ.

The fact that our friends on the thread view the Bible as being meaningless to them, supports my point.

Again no. You are not reasoning rationally. You already said this once and I do believe it may be a breaking of the rules of the forum. It is rather blasphemous to say the least.

 

[Need answers]

You do not understand knowledge, or the concept of "proof".

It is extremely arrogant of creationists to try to tell God how he had to create the Earth when his creation tells them that they are wrong.

I do, but you are trying to spin the word "proof". You must spin the idea that uncertain and changing theories are "proof"

 

[Subduction Zone]

What has been proven wrong? Theories can be proven wrong as you admit.

The creation story was proven wrong a long time ago. Yes, theories can be shown to be wrong. In fact they are constantly changing and improving themselves. You appear to be working on a false dichotomy. Demonstrating that evolution is wrong would not be evidence for creationism. Creationism as an idea lost a long time ago.