Did God send this virus into the world

[Archivist]

I won't answer blindly. Present it.

It is a simple question. I suspect you don’t have an answer which is why you are declining to answer. Discussion over.

 

[Dave L]

That's about election to a certain job. And you're totally avoiding my questions.

It's about salvation for Jacob and damnation for Esau.

 

[Dave L]

It is a simple question. I suspect you don’t have an answer which is why you are declining to answer. Discussion over.

Do you answer questions blindly? Quote from it what you want an answer for.

 

[Archivist]

Do you answer questions blindly? Quote from it what you want an answer for.

It is a simply question. Im not asking you to answer anything blindly. How does what you said in Post 186 relate to your claim that it is God who sends disasters and pandemics? Easy question.

 

[Dave L]

It is a simply question. Im not asking you to answer anything blindly. How does what you said in Post 186 relate to your claim that it is God who sends disasters and pandemics? Easy question.

Post the link.

 

[Archivist]

Post the link.

You posted it. You should be able to find it. It is right after 185 and right before 187.

 

[Dave L]

You posted it. You should be able to find it.

Post the section of concern and I will answer.

 

[Archivist]

Post the section of concern and I will answer.

It was a two sentence post, so it should t be hard for you to figure out.

 

[Dave L]

It was a two sentence post, so it should t be hard for you to figure out.

What was your response to it? Was it the one you did not refute but pointed out a spelling error instead? How about trying to refute it instead?

 

[renniks]

It's about salvation for Jacob and damnation for Esau.

Nope, that's not what it says at all. Quit changing the topic to avoid answering questions your theology can't answer.

 

[Dave L]

Nope, that's not what it says at all. Quit changing the topic to avoid answering questions your theology can't answer.

Was Esau or his descendants ever saved? How about Jacob?

 

[Archivist]

What was your response to it? Was it the one you did not refute but pointed out a spelling error instead? How about trying to refute it instead?

I don’t see the relevance of the post to this discussion. That is what I keep asking you.

 

[JacksBratt]

This is the question of evil, it is certainly relevant to this thread but will completely derail the thread if we address it. I suggest you start a new thread, just for Christians (atheists will be drawn to this thread like flies to honey and make it very unpleasant to have a biblical discussion). If you do that I think it would be a very interesting thread.

I have created a thread to answer this question "How could God allow this?"

I agree

 

[JacksBratt]

Every choice you make is a reaction to a reason God used to control your free choices. You produce nothing he didn't plan.

That would indicate that we have no free will. God might as well have made a bunch of robots, made them love and obey and worship Him and avoid all this life we experience.

 

[JacksBratt]

God knows what is going to happen. That doesn’t mean that God sends disasters and pandemics to kill people. The Titanic, 9-11 and the current virus are the doings of man not God.

Absolutely.

 

[JacksBratt]

God controls all free choices according to his eternal plan.

If that were true... Why pray, why go to church, why witness to unbelievers, why care about an illness, why care about whether your kids get an education... Cause... it's all planned and laid out without any input or decisions of our own... Just walk through life controlled by your robotic program.

 

[renniks]

Was Esau or his descendants ever saved? How about Jacob?

I
think there is evidence that he was saved, because, though he sold his birthright, he did seem to believe in the Abrahamic covenant and its blessings which would suggest faith. The prime evidence for this is the scheme that took place between Isaac and Esau to give him the blessings of the covenant in spite of the previous prophecy that Esau, the firstborn, would serve the younger.

I actually like him better than the conniving Jacob, but he was impulsive early on and needed maturity before becoming a leader.

 

[JacksBratt]

The question should be why does God pour so many blessings out on us, not why does he allow evil to exist.

Very true.

 

[JacksBratt]

Post the link.

Not everything God sends is without a means. Don't you as a Lutheran depend on a miracle incased in otherwise natural means?

Oh for crying out loud.... how juvenile.... HERE....

 

[Dave L]

I
think there is evidence that he was saved, because, though he sold his birthright, he did seem to believe in the Abrahamic covenant and its blessings which would suggest faith. The prime evidence for this is the scheme that took place between Isaac and Esau to give him the blessings of the covenant in spite of the previous prophecy that Esau, the firstborn, would serve the younger.

I actually like him better than the conniving Jacob, but he was impulsive early on and needed maturity before becoming a leader.

Salvation was only of the Jews. He needed to convert to Judaism and join the community. = unsaved and cursed out of existence as a people.