Fish finger fossils show the beginnings of hands

[pitabread]

Common DNA.

Which is a result of common ancestry.

 

[essentialsaltes]

This argument doesn't work unless you can show that there is no reason for common structures in organisms to exist apart from a common ancestor. It would make sense for God to design creatures with similar structures because if all animals were very different then that would point to polytheism.

I dunno. Since whales, dolphins and pythons have hips and no legs, it sounds like they were designed by committee. Polytheism for sure.

 

[pitabread]

It would make sense for God to design creatures with similar structures because if all animals were very different then that would point to polytheism.

Not necessarily.

If you look at human design, designers borrow from each other or use common templates all the time. Commonality doesn't explicitly point to a single designer.

 

[pitabread]

I do agree with both of those facts. The Bible does not teach fixity of species.

The problem is that creationists cannot agree on those individual lines in that picture.

 

[Kylie]

This argument doesn't work unless you can show that there is no reason for common structures in organisms to exist apart from a common ancestor. It would make sense for God to design creatures with similar structures because if all animals were very different then that would point to polytheism.

And would God also include the same inefficient designs?

Would God create a line of previous species showing how particular structures changed over time as though via evolution?

Given that there are multiple ways to achieve the same goals genetically (a single amino acid can be formed through several different arrangements of genes), would God ignore all but one?

There is a huge amount of genetic evidence to support evolution from a single common ancestor to all life. Creationists often don't realise just how strong this evidence is. It is so strong that even if there was no fossil record or any other evidence for evolution, the genetic evidence alone would be more than enough to show it. There's a good podcast to get the basics of evolution, and it explains the genetic evidence for evolution much better than I could. https://player.fm/series/evolution-101

And if the animals had different DNA, then that would point to creation by a deity. And it would NOT point to polytheism, since there was nothing stopping a single God from using such wildly different genetics in the different organism. But what we see in the real world is entirely consistent with evolution.

 

[Kylie]

I was specifically asking Subduction Zone (I was quoting him/her in the post)

Then let's find out. Subduction Zone said that he and others have answered those questions, so I assume he means that he thinks my answers are good answers. But let's ask him.

@Subduction Zone, do you agree with the answers I gave regarding the definitions of evolution, natural selection, et al?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then let's find out. Subduction Zone said that he and others have answered those questions, so I assume he means that he thinks my answers are good answers. But let's ask him.

@Subduction Zone, do you agree with the answers I gave regarding the definitions of evolution, natural selection, et al?

Yes, They were well thought out and rather thorough so there was not much point in posting the same thing again.

EDIT: I had to go back and check. I rated them with a "like" when I saw them. I don't know if one can see when someone rated something after the fact, but that like has been there almost since you posted them. If I disagreed the odds are almost zero that I would have given it that rating.

 

[Kylie]

Yes, They were well thought out and rather thorough so there was not much point in posting the same thing again.

EDIT: I had to go back and check. I rated them with a "like" when I saw them. I don't know if one can see when someone rated something after the fact, but that like has been there almost since you posted them. If I disagreed the odds are almost zero that I would have given it that rating.

There, we have it from the guy himself.

So, @Qwertyui0p , please feel free to respond, knowing that Subduction Zone agrees with the definitions I have posted.

 

[xianghua]

The discovery of a dragon fossil with six limbs would be a crushing blow to evolution. But we don't find fossils like that.

who said so? some creatures have more than 2 limbs you know (a spider for instance).

 

[xianghua]

I agree that multiverses are a speculative possibility, i.e. not against the laws of physics as they currently stand. But whether there would be an infinite number of universes in them or not is moot - and depends, to some degree, on the particular multiverse hypothesis you're considering.

However, as I already said, even in an infinite multiverse where the most improbable events happen in an infinite number of universes, there will still be vastly more universes where they don't happen; relative probabilities don't change just because the context is infinite.

im not sure if i understood all of your points (again: my english probably) but ok.

 

[xianghua]

No. First, we can't push back the evolution of humans to the Cretaceous period, because the primates that we evolved from had not yet appeared themselves.

what is the problem? we can push them too.

 

[xianghua]

Evolution does not claim that we did. It notes that modern Great Apes and Humans have a common ancestor as we do.

see my signature link for why design is batter explanation than a natural process.

 

[xianghua]

Given that there are multiple ways to achieve the same goals genetically (a single amino acid can be formed through several different arrangements of genes), would God ignore all but one?

are you aware that even synonymous codon has a functional meaning?

 

[Subduction Zone]

who said so? some creatures have more than 2 limbs you know (a spider for instance).

Spiders are not tetrapods.

 

[Subduction Zone]

see my signature link for why design is batter explanation than a natural process.

There are no self replicating watches. Your argument fails from the beginning.

 

[essentialsaltes]

who said so? some creatures have more than 2 limbs you know (a spider for instance).

Yes, insects, spiders, octopuses... have different numbers of limbs, but dragons are not portrayed as these sorts of things.

I guess you're consistent. You don't know what evolution predicts, and you don't know what evolution doesn't predict.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

im not sure if i understood all of your points (again: my english probably) but ok.

I only made two points in that post - which of them are you unsure about?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, insects, spiders, octopuses... have different numbers of limbs, but dragons are not portrayed as these sorts of things.

I guess you're consistent. You don't know what evolution predicts, and you don't know what evolution doesn't predict.

Essential traits in a science denier.

 

[Qwertyui0p]

And others answered that question and I added to those answers. Why did you ignore those answers?

I didn't ignore them, I mostly agree with them, but I was asking you to make sure we're on the same page.

 

[Kylie]

who said so? some creatures have more than 2 limbs you know (a spider for instance).

But we don't see species of cats that have 6 legs, do we? You seem to think that evolution says that a bunch of weird stuff can happen, but it doesn't.