LDS How many negative charges has been made about JS character in LDS History? Just, curious.

[He is the way]

why would NOT people be leading others away from the Mormon Church? We try to practice Christian love for those who are clearly deceived,

And you say here this Second I don't know if there has been any updates to it

Seems as if the proof of what you finally admit fell apart there.

But at least you are seaching----be prepared for what you might find. Good place to start is with the 1830 Edition of the BoM and then compare it to the present BoM. Your chruch used to provide a copy at request.

It is best to practice LOVE of Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | John 14:15)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.

I have an 1830 copy of the Book of Mormon and people are quick to point out the differences about 99% of which is punctuation and a very few changes made by Joseph Smith. It still amazes me what he accomplished in his short lifetime.

 

[Jamesone5]

It is best to practice LOVE of Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | John 14:15)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.

I have an 1830 copy of the Book of Mormon and people are quick to point out the differences about 99% of which is punctuation and a very few changes made by Joseph Smith. It still amazes me what he accomplished in his short lifetime.

Of course Joseph Smith did not change it. Other peoples did to defend your false Church.

How would you truly love HIM if your focus in on another Christ or our "spiritual brother" Christ---led to you by a false prophet?

 

[He is the way]

Why in your claim? Were they after them?

They hated members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints and had already killed and wounded other members. They hated the leaders in particular such as John Taylor and Willard Richards. After Joseph Smith went out of the window they headed out of the jail to get him and left John Taylor and Willard Richards alone. They might have returned to finish the job if someone had not yelled the Mormons are coming and scared them off. They had already shot John Taylor several times.

 

[Jamesone5]

It is best to practice LOVE of Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | John 14:15)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.

I have an 1830 copy of the Book of Mormon and people are quick to point out the differences about 99% of which is punctuation and a very few changes made by Joseph Smith. It still amazes me what he accomplished in his short lifetime.

How would you truly love HIM if your focus in on another Christ or our spiritual brother Christ---led to you by one of these:
Matthew 24:11
Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many

They hated members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints and had already killed and wounded other members. They hated the leaders in particular such as John Taylor and Willard Richards. After Joseph Smith went out of the window they headed out of the jail to get him and left John Taylor and Willard Richards alone. They might have returned to finish the job if someone had not yelled the Mormons are coming and scared them off. They had already shot John Taylor several times.

Boy you take a definite liberality in your stories.Make it seem like he was a definite hero the more you make things up. Maybe you ought to write these changes for FARMS.

And yet, where was his god? Cannot defend even one of them---maybe show to the world that he was a prophet? Maybe even a little miracle?

At least the True God moved the waters of the Red Sea for his True prophet Moses. How about Joshua for whom the Walls of Jericho fell? And we can read the signs of all the Prophets where God did something to prove His Power and Glory.

But evidently He was silent and let His false prophet die with one or two pistols in his hand--depending on the story.

 

[He is the way]

Of course Joseph Smith did not change it. Other peoples did to defend your false Church.

Yes Joseph Smith did make changes:

"With the help of Oliver Cowdery, the Prophet prepared the second (1837) edition. At this point, they made over one thousand corrections—most of them grammatical and added some minor clarifications. By this time, the Prophet, who had limited formal schooling, was learning the rudiments of Hebrew, and English grammar. (See History of the Church, 2:390, 474; 3:26.)

Both the 1840 and 1842 editions were carefully revised by Joseph Smith. By now, however, Oliver Cowdery had left the Church, taking the printer’s manuscript with him.

As late as 15 January 1842 Joseph Smith was still making corrections himself. He recorded: “I commenced reading the Book of Mormon, at page 54, … (the previous pages having been corrected), for the purpose of correcting the stereotype plates of some errors which escaped notice in the first edition.” (History of the Church, 4:494.)"

From: Understanding Textual Changes in the Book of Mormon

 

[Jamesone5]

Yes Joseph Smith did make changes:

"With the help of Oliver Cowdery, the Prophet prepared the second (1837) edition. At this point, they made over one thousand corrections—most of them grammatical and added some minor clarifications. By this time, the Prophet, who had limited formal schooling, was learning the rudiments of Hebrew, and English grammar. (See History of the Church, 2:390, 474; 3:26.)

Both the 1840 and 1842 editions were carefully revised by Joseph Smith. By now, however, Oliver Cowdery had left the Church, taking the printer’s manuscript with him.

As late as 15 January 1842 Joseph Smith was still making corrections himself. He recorded: “I commenced reading the Book of Mormon, at page 54, … (the previous pages having been corrected), for the purpose of correcting the stereotype plates of some errors which escaped notice in the first edition.” (History of the Church, 4:494.)"

From: Understanding Textual Changes in the Book of Mormon

Both the 1840 and 1842 editions were carefully revised by Joseph Smith. By now, however, Oliver Cowdery had left the Church, taking the printer’s manuscript with him.--He is the Way

your god did not smite this Oliver Cowdrey for taking that manuscript of his supposed word and return it? you god is powerless to stop such a thing from happening?

And with all these corrections you admit to ---there goes the claim it was the most perfect book on the face of the earth. Why did your god even need him to translate if he was going to rely on corrections anyway.? Don't need to correct something that is already perfect.

these are questions you should ask yourself.

 

[He is the way]

How would you truly love HIM if your focus in on another Christ or our spiritual brother Christ---led to you by one of these:
Matthew 24:11
Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many



Boy you take a definite liberality in your stories.Make it seem like he was a definite hero the more you make things up. Maybe you ought to write these changes for FARMS.

And yet, where was his god? Cannot defend even one of them---maybe show to the world that he was a prophet? Maybe even a little miracle?

At least the True God moved the waters of the Red Sea for his True prophet Moses. How about Joshua for whom the Walls of Jericho fell? And we can read the signs of all the Prophets where God did something to prove His Power and Glory.

But evidently He was silent and let His false prophet die with one or two pistols in his hand--depending on the story.

Yes there are false prophets that try to persuade people that they don't need to keep the commandments and that they have been saved before enduring to the end. I don't fall for such non-Biblical baloney. People mocked Jesus while He was on the cross:

Mark 15:31

In the same way the chief priests also, along with the scribes, were mocking Him among themselves and saying, "He saved others; He cannot save Himself.

Luke 23:35

And the people stood by, looking on. And even the rulers were sneering at Him, saying, "He saved others; let Him save Himself if this is the Christ of God, His Chosen One.

So why mock Joseph Smith?

 

[Jamesone5]

Yes there are false prophets that try to persuade people that they don't need to keep the commandments and that they have been saved before enduring to the end. I don't fall for such non-Biblical baloney. People mocked Jesus while He was on the cross:

Mark 15:31

In the same way the chief priests also, along with the scribes, were mocking Him among themselves and saying, "He saved others; He cannot save Himself.

Luke 23:35

And the people stood by, looking on. And even the rulers were sneering at Him, saying, "He saved others; let Him save Himself if this is the Christ of God, His Chosen One.

So why mock Joseph Smith?

And you dare compare a false prophet and his pitiful examples to Christ and His Example?

Who, by the way did not have a sword in His Hand or a more modern pistol to supposedly defend Himself.

These exchanges has gotten out of hand. You got the wrong Christ--- that much is very, obvious with each post.

 

[He is the way]

Both the 1840 and 1842 editions were carefully revised by Joseph Smith. By now, however, Oliver Cowdery had left the Church, taking the printer’s manuscript with him.--He is the Way

your god did not smite this Oliver Cowdrey for taking that manuscript of his supposed word and return it? you god is powerless to stop such a thing from happening?

And with all these corrections you admit to ---there goes the claim it was the most perfect book on the face of the earth. Why did your god even need him to translate if he was going to rely on corrections anyway.? Don't need to correct something that is already perfect.

these are questions you should ask yourself.

Both the 1840 and 1842 editions were carefully revised by Joseph Smith. By now, however, Oliver Cowdery had left the Church, taking the printer’s manuscript with him.--He is the Way

your god did not smite this Oliver Cowdrey for taking that manuscript of his supposed word and return it? you god is powerless to stop such a thing from happening?

And with all these corrections you admit to ---there goes the claim it was the most perfect book on the face of the earth. Why did your god even need him to translate if he was going to rely on corrections anyway.? Don't need to correct something that is already perfect.

these are questions you should ask yourself.

(Book of Mormon | Preface Title Page:2)

And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men; wherefore, condemn not the things of God, that ye may be found spotless at the judgment–seat of Christ.

 

[He is the way]

And you dare compare a false prophet and his pitiful examples to Christ?

Your remarks are of the same kind without even thinking that you are telling God what He should have done to save Joseph Smith when that was not God's plan. It was not a comparison of Joseph Smith and Jesus Christ, it was about mocking God the Father.

 

[mmksparbud]

And if you had a daughter and seen her being kidnapped or worse you would do nothing to protect her? Don't you believe in using force to protect others?

Look up Desmond Doss---non-combatant SDA medic during WW2. We are not to willfully murder. It is you that say God does not forgive a murderer. God says He forgives all sins that people ask and repent from. Now you think if you are murdering it's OK as long as you are protecting others?

 

[mmksparbud]

His jumping out of the window saved the lives of John Taylor and Willard Richards.

You can not read his heart. His jumping out the window could have been a panic reaction just to save himself. You have no idea what was going through his mind through any of this. A true man of God would have not taken the guns offered and knelt in prayer and laid his life down for God to decide what was to be done. How do you know, had he done so, God could have provided a miracle that would have saved his life--had he been a true prophet of God, that's exactly what he would have done. No way would he have taken the guns offered him.

 

[He is the way]

Look up Desmond Doss---non-combatant SDA medic during WW2. We are not to willfully murder. It is you that say God does not forgive a murderer. God says He forgives all sins that people ask and repent from. Now you think if you are murdering it's OK as long as you are protecting others?

Members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints do indeed believe in protecting our country and our families. Some are trained police officers.

 

[He is the way]

You can not read his heart. His jumping out the window could have been a panic reaction just to save himself. You have no idea what was going through his mind through any of this. A true man of God would have not taken the guns offered and knelt in prayer and laid his life down for God to decide what was to be done. How do you know, had he done so, God could have provided a miracle that would have saved his life--had he been a true prophet of God, that's exactly what he would have done. No way would he have taken the guns offered him.

You are correct that I do not know what he was thinking and neither do you. There are people who are very confident that they know exactly what Joseph Smith was thinking and that he and his brother were the only ones in the cell. I don't have to agree with that.

 

[mmksparbud]

Members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints do indeed believe in protecting our country and our families. Some are trained police officers.

We are non combatants. We will not carry a gun in times of war---didn't read up on Desmond Ford, did you? Even other military men who received the Medal of Honor respected him, for what he did was done without killing anyone.

 

[mmksparbud]

You are correct that I do not know what he was thinking and neither do you. There are people who are very confident that they know exactly what Joseph Smith was thinking and that he and his brother were the only ones in the cell. I don't have to agree with that.

God alone knows the heart of anyone. Not one single Mormon, or non-Mormon, knows what he was thinking. They only think they know.

 

[He is the way]

We are non combatants. We will not carry a gun in times of war---didn't read up on Desmond Ford, did you? Even other military men who received the Medal of Honor respected him, for what he did was done without killing anyone.

I do respect your church and the Jehovah Witnesses for their stance on non violence. I also believe that people need to be protected from those who are evil.

 

[mmksparbud]

I do respect your church and the Jehovah Witnesses for their stance on non violence. I also believe that people need to be protected from those who are evil.

God does that. We are to present Christ to the evil, that they may see Christ in us. Jesus did not say to protect others from evil, He said to teach others everything He said.

 

[Jamesone5]

I do respect your church and the Jehovah Witnesses for their stance on non violence. I also believe that people need to be protected from those who are evil.

And you think your Church is doing the protecting? Or your prophet is called to protect? And then, your testimony is one hedge of protecting?

That goes in line with what a missionary chanted down in Peru to me in 2008 when I finally told him why I left the Church. My missionary group, of course, went into the heart of Peru while these Mormon missionaries were told that had to stay in the relative safety of the City of Tarapoto.

 

[BigDaddy4]

We are talking about Joseph Smith doing what he could to protect the others in the jail cell from being murdered. I certainly would not want your protection if you would just stand by and do nothing.

We are talking about Joseph Smith, your religion's supposed prophet of God. Did he not have God's instruction on such matters? Or was God's instruction to shoot at the mob? Or was he listening to his false god?

I would not put myself in the position of being a false prophet, so no worries there.