Corona Virus no worse than a cold

[coffee4u]

I have 3 cats. I hope this isn't both ways. Kitties will be on the porch.

I read but forget where that the virus can be passed from humans onto cats and dogs but not the other way. I don't know about other animals.

 

[SaintCody777]

Leaks from Hong Kong have reported that the Real death toll from the coronavirus in mainland China is AT LEAST 14 MILLION. The People's Republic of China is a great master of deception to the world who dupes us into believing they only have just a few thousand deaths. There were also pictures and videos of Chinese officers burning bodies and hiding them.
The corona virus has no vaccine, and most treatment is supportive, though hydroxochloroquine, is very promising.
But the coronavirus is not just like the flu, although it's true its not one of the worst or deadliest virus known to man, like Ebola or the bird flu and that most people that get critical ill or die from the coronavirus are either elderly or have certain health issues. However, there are healthy teens and young people with no underlying health issues that have got critically ill or even died from even just the regular flu strains.
Ohio Teen, 16, Dies from the Flu Just Days After Spending Christmas with Family
How my daughter died from a simple case of flu - CNN
Shannon Zwanziger: Flu Epidemic Horrors Showcased In Teen's Sudden Death
If a regular flu can do this, then it's absolutely possible that this new coronavirus can and has seriously sicken and kill healthy teens and young adults.
South Korea teen dies after testing negative for COVID-19
And unfortunately, as this pandemic progresses in this country, the United States, and peaks, I will actually not be surprised to see more Shannon Zwanzwiger tragedies like this, except that this young healthy teen or adult died from the coronavirus instead of the regular flu.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/...-people-sick-vulnerable-affected-severe-cases
I'm 25 and have no known health issues that might make me more vulnerable to this disease. But, like NY Gov Andrew Cumuno just said to young people, mostly those who were partying like wild animals and the girls dressing like provocative eye candy during spring break, while the world is closing down, I'm not superman.

Though, if I do get this corona virus, it would most likely be nothing more than a cold or a flu I had before, I'm not willing to take unnecessary chances at all, besides the fact that I'm living with both of my parents who are both over 55.

 

[Richard T]

Rush is a marketing genius. He is wrong at times though. My concern also though is about what some Christians are saying. Today the NY Times had an article blaming Christian evangelicals, though according to Fox, they gave no examples. Some subset of Christian leaders are believing the virus will be temporary. Some have even prophesied on this. One even suggested it would be over by the end of passover. (sometime in mid april or so) Of course I hope they are right. However, if they are wrong are they hindering Trump's policies? I do not know who has Trump's ear on this. Rush's take is not as spiritual along with and many Republican politicians who are worried about Trump's re-election. They seem to believe (falsely I might add) that a great economy and stock market can do the trick. They are fearful mostly of losing Trump which is why many of them think this is some conspiracy to shut the the economy down and drive Trump out.
Altogether the potential for errant prophecy, re-election concerns and Trump's own personal wealth are hindering real progress against the virus. Rush is caught on the wrong side of this, you can't blame him, he wants Trump so badly that he missed this.

 

[solid_core]

Leaks from Hong Kong have reported that the Real death toll from the coronavirus in mainland China is AT LEAST 14 MILLION. The People's Republic of China is a great master of deception to the world who dupes us into believing they only have just a few thousand deaths. There were also pictures and videos of Chinese officers burning bodies and hiding them.
The corona virus has no vaccine, and most treatment is supportive, though hydroxochloroquine, is very promising.
But the coronavirus is not just like the flu, although it's true its not one of the worst or deadliest virus known to man, like Ebola or the bird flu and that most people that get critical ill or die from the coronavirus are either elderly or have certain health issues. However, there are healthy teens and young people with no underlying health issues that have got critically ill or even died from even just the regular flu strains.
Ohio Teen, 16, Dies from the Flu Just Days After Spending Christmas with Family
If a regular flu can do this, then it's absolutely possible that this new coronavirus can seriously sicken and kill healthy teens and young adults. And unfortunately, as this pandemic progresses in this country, the United States, and peaks, I will actually not be surprised to see more tragedies like this, except that this young healthy teen or adult died from the coronavirus instead of the regular flu.
I'm 25 and have no known health issues that might make me more vulnerable to this disease. But, like NY Gov Andrew Cumuno just said to young people, mostly those who were partying like wild animals and the girls dressing like provocative eye candy during spring break, while the world is closing down, I'm not superman. Though, if I do get this corona virus, it would most likely be nothing more than a cold or a flu I had before, I'm not willing to take unnecessary chances at all, besides the fact that I'm living with both of my parents who are both over 55.

Do you have a source for your "14 million deaths" estimate?

 

[mindlight]

On February 24 on Rush Limbaugh's show said:
“Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus. ... I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.”

And do you remember that Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and Donald Trump were all downplaying this?

27,372 death count of this morning. Not sure a cold is that deadly!

The ways in which politicians from China to Europe and now to the Americas downplayed this virus and tried to pretend that it was so serious has definitely helped its spread. It is a repeated pattern. The Chinese government did it to save face and junior officials did it to guard promotion prospects ( no bad news goes up the line), now Trump is clearly worried about his businesses and his election prospects which he had pinned on a successful management of Americas economy. Even the BBC which is usually quite careful with its fact checking initially downplayed the virus trusting the official Chinese government assertions that there was no problem over the rumours that it might be worse that they were saying.

From the moment it was clear that this respiratory disease could be transmitted person to person and the audit trails to its spread broke down it was clear that it was a major problem. This should have been clear to Western governments with their superior access to info from late January and at most mid February.

 

[ACandleInthe Shadows]

It's so sad that Christians are trading in their liberty for this. They're throwing their rights to the government. Why is NO one up in arms that LIQUOR STORES AND ABORTION CLINICS are allowed to operate freely, but churches are forced to shut down? Does NO ONE LOVE JESUS ANYMORE? THIS IS TYRRANY! Too many lukewarm churches!

 

[LostMarbels]

27,372 death count of this morning. Not sure a cold is that deadly!

Rhinovirus causes about half of all colds.

The World Health Organization estimates that ≈2 million children die each year from acute respiratory tract infection (ARI), and most live in developing countries (1). Human rhinovirus (HRV), a common cause of mild upper respiratory tract infections, (common cold) may also cause severe ARI in children.

It is very deadly in other parts of the world. Just not America.

There over 62 million annual occurrences of the common cold along with 20 million school days lost annually in the United States according to the National Center for Health Statistics.

 

[mindlight]

Rhinovirus causes about half of all colds.

The World Health Organization estimates that ≈2 million children die each year from acute respiratory tract infection (ARI), and most live in developing countries (1). Human rhinovirus (HRV), a common cause of mild upper respiratory tract infections, (common cold) may also cause severe ARI in children.

It is very deadly in other parts of the world. Just not America.

There over 62 million annual occurrences of the common cold along with 20 million school days lost annually in the United States according to the National Center for Health Statistics.

The difference is the death rate. All 7-8 billion of us get colds but the death rate is small compared to that overall number. The death rate for old people from this disease is close to 15%. That 27K deaths has occurred from a sample of only half a million. If this went as mainstream as a cold we would be looking at between 70 million and 400 million deaths!!!! Time for Americans to wake up. Republicans need to change their election strategy from Mammon worship to Good leadership in hard times and adequate health care provision at a reasonable price.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Common colds and flus are in fact classified as coronaviruses. Is the supposed Covid-19 strain any more harmful? Let's hear what eminent German microbiologist Dr Bhakdi has so say on the matter. [Spoiler alert: Germany already has 30-100 fatalities per day in the over-65's from non-Covid-19 coronaviruses, and Covid-19 is no more deadly...quel surprise.]

So there's a turn-up for the books, eh? He has more to say in a few punchy vids at his YT channel, so do feel free to acquaint yourselves.

Seems Dr Bhakdi is not the lone voice crying in the wilderness on this one either. Here are a few further adverse remarks from other subject-matter experts.

12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic - Global Research

I'm so disgusted that ppl can fall for something this obvious. Eyes to see, smh. May reason prevail, O Lord.

 

[Danthemailman]

On ABC World News they said that the U.S. has surpassed China in confirmed cases of the coronavirus. They are calling a hospital in Queens New York the epicenter for the virus. 13 deaths in 24 hours at that hospital. So many deaths there that they had to bring in a refrigerated tractor trailer to store the bodies. Did this virus originate in China? How did it originate? How did it spread so fast around the world? Is this germ warfare that got out of control? I keep hearing different stories. The more I hear about deaths surging and the devastation this virus has had on the economy, the more furious I become!

 

[LostMarbels]

Time for Americans to wake up.

Oh we have. And this was most definitely the final straw.

 

[mindlight]

Common colds and flus are in fact classified as coronaviruses. Is the supposed Covid-19 strain any more harmful? Let's hear what eminent German microbiologist Dr Bhakdi has so say on the matter. [Spoiler alert: Germany already has 30-100 fatalities per day in the over-65's from non-Covid-19 coronaviruses, and Covid-19 is no more deadly...quel surprise.]

So there's a turn-up for the books, eh? He has more to say in a few punchy vids at his YT channel, so do feel free to acquaint yourselves.

Seems Dr Bhakdi is not the lone voice crying in the wilderness on this one either. Here are a few further adverse remarks from other subject-matter experts.

12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic - Global Research

I'm so disgusted that ppl can fall for something this obvious. Eyes to see, smh. May reason prevail, O Lord.

Dr Bhakdis is retired for the last 8 years and his findings on the contribution of air quality to the current crisis are rejected by the scientific community. I would not downplay factors that have caused damage to lungs like air pollution and smoking and the scientists will probably eventually establish a link between peoples vulnerability to this disease and the health of their lungs. In Wuhan more men died and men were far heavier smokers than women for example. Also air quality is poor in the area as it is many of the hot spots for this disease. But here we have a disease that kills at a higher rate than colds or flus and even if those deaths are more likely with people with damaged lungs the fact is that corona virus is the thing tipping them over the edge.

The below is a translation from the German Wikipedia article on him:

"From 19 March to 22 March 2020, Bhakdi published three videos on his YouTube channel in which he criticizes the measures prescribed worldwide against the COVID 19 pandemic, which in his opinion are based on a misinterpretation of the test results and infection figures According to Nils Metzger in the Corona fact check of the ZDF, his theses are unscientific, his figures too low. Mimikama writes that the mere argument that environmental factors alone have led to more than 500 deaths per day in Italy as a direct consequence of the virus does not correspond to any scientific basis, and his argumentation regarding air quality does not stand up to scrutiny. According to the dpa, Bhakdi sets the proportion of people seriously ill with COVID-19 clearly too low, and he also disregards the exponential growth in new infections. "

Sucharit Bhakdi – Wikipedia

 

[Shrewd Manager]

But here we have a disease that kills at a higher rate than colds or flus.

No, the available data does not establish that at all. For example in the US:
Coronavirus Epidemic in America? Can We Trust the Data? How Much Does it Cost to Get a COVID-19 Test? - Global Research

Also, if you look at the original Chinese medical report on Wuhan cases identifying the 'novel' strain, you'll see that they could by no means show coronavirus to be the cause of death:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001017

Although our study does not fulfill Koch’s postulates, our analyses provide evidence implicating 2019-nCoV in the Wuhan outbreak. Additional evidence to confirm the etiologic significance of 2019-nCoV in the Wuhan outbreak include identification of a 2019-nCoV antigen in the lung tissue of patients by immunohistochemical analysis, detection of IgM and IgG antiviral antibodies in the serum samples from a patient at two time points to demonstrate seroconversion, and animal (monkey) experiments to provide evidence of pathogenicity.

Translation: we didn't apply the standards for causality, but it's ok because we killed a few monkeys instead.

The below is a translation from the German Wikipedia article on him:

Think he needs to call for whistleblowers' protection lol. The link I provided includes 12 serious experts talking about basic problems with the claims that anyone can understand. Ad homs are unhelpful. Here, check out Dr Wolfgang Wodarg and please don't bother digging up dirt on him, just follow the bouncing ball.

 

[mindlight]

No, the available data does not establish that at all. For example in the US:
Coronavirus Epidemic in America? Can We Trust the Data? How Much Does it Cost to Get a COVID-19 Test? - Global Research

Tests cost about $50-100 each according to Bloomberg. Of course not everybody has been tested and that makes no sense unless they exhibit symptoms. There is an antibody test which helps establish whether or not you have had the virus and that might be a better way to look at the population as a whole after this wave of the virus has passed to determine a more accurate kill statistic. The British government estimates a 1% kill ratio for all infections which would still be twice that of flu and of course flu has not gone away so we are now 3 times as likely to die from one or the other even by the lowest estimates. But the Italian and Wuhan numbers both seem to be much higher at about 5-7%. If you are over 80 that number rises to 15% across the global statistics according to Worldometer. There may be reasons for this in smoking habits and poor air quality but again the scientific analysis has not been properly done here.

Also, if you look at the original Chinese medical report on Wuhan cases identifying the 'novel' strain, you'll see that they could by no means show coronavirus to be the cause of death:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001017

Although our study does not fulfill Koch’s postulates, our analyses provide evidence implicating 2019-nCoV in the Wuhan outbreak. Additional evidence to confirm the etiologic significance of 2019-nCoV in the Wuhan outbreak include identification of a 2019-nCoV antigen in the lung tissue of patients by immunohistochemical analysis, detection of IgM and IgG antiviral antibodies in the serum samples from a patient at two time points to demonstrate seroconversion, and animal (monkey) experiments to provide evidence of pathogenicity.

Translation: we didn't apply the standards for causality, but it's ok because we killed a few monkeys instead.

So how would you explain the extra 3177 deaths in Hubei province. Regardless of the presence of other conditions COVID-19 was the key factor pushing the patient over the edge. Also even we do not really trust the Chinese to provide accurate information the information from Italy seems to confirm that the presence of coronavirus has massively added to the number of deaths over normal rates.

Think he needs to call for whistleblowers' protection lol. The link I provided includes 12 serious experts talking about basic problems with the claims that anyone can understand. Ad homs are unhelpful. Here, check out Dr Wolfgang Wodarg and please don't bother digging up dirt on him, just follow the bouncing ball.

Your link appears to be broken, the you tube one also. Can you summarise his findings for us. The Robert Koch institute is the reputable German institute here and I am pretty sure they will contradict any outliers you can did up.

 

[Celticroots]

It's so sad that Christians are trading in their liberty for this. They're throwing their rights to the government. Why is NO one up in arms that LIQUOR STORES AND ABORTION CLINICS are allowed to operate freely, but churches are forced to shut down? Does NO ONE LOVE JESUS ANYMORE? THIS IS TYRRANY! Too many lukewarm churches!

Nothing to do with liberty. It’s about saving lives. The virus has more chance of spreading when in close contact with others. If churches have to remain closed then so be it.

Know what’s sad? People ignoring proper precautions set in place for good reason and dying.

Not wanting to die from a horrible illness means you don’t love Jesus? Give me a break.

 

[jasonMalloy1999]

yet 1000 are dead from it in uk

 

[charsan]

No, the available data does not establish that at all. For example in the US:
Coronavirus Epidemic in America? Can We Trust the Data? How Much Does it Cost to Get a COVID-19 Test? - Global Research

Also, if you look at the original Chinese medical report on Wuhan cases identifying the 'novel' strain, you'll see that they could by no means show coronavirus to be the cause of death:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001017

Although our study does not fulfill Koch’s postulates, our analyses provide evidence implicating 2019-nCoV in the Wuhan outbreak. Additional evidence to confirm the etiologic significance of 2019-nCoV in the Wuhan outbreak include identification of a 2019-nCoV antigen in the lung tissue of patients by immunohistochemical analysis, detection of IgM and IgG antiviral antibodies in the serum samples from a patient at two time points to demonstrate seroconversion, and animal (monkey) experiments to provide evidence of pathogenicity.

Translation: we didn't apply the standards for causality, but it's ok because we killed a few monkeys instead.



Think he needs to call for whistleblowers' protection lol. The link I provided includes 12 serious experts talking about basic problems with the claims that anyone can understand. Ad homs are unhelpful. Here, check out Dr Wolfgang Wodarg and please don't bother digging up dirt on him, just follow the bouncing ball.

Is there anyone not speaking German but English perchance?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

On February 24 on Rush Limbaugh's show said:
“Now, I want to tell you the truth about the coronavirus. ... I’m dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.”

And do you remember that Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and Donald Trump were all downplaying this?

Ignorance is not always bliss.
Be blessed and stay healthy!

 

[SaintCody777]

Do you have a source for your "14 million deaths" estimate?

Billionaire Whistleblower: Wuhan Coronavirus Death Toll Is Over 50,000
This was from early Februrary,
And this number was from later in Februrary
Actual China Covid-19 Death Toll Over 100,000 As More Mobile Incinerators Deployed - Daily Squib

 

[SaintCody777]

Nothing to do with liberty. It’s about saving lives. The virus has more chance of spreading when in close contact with others. If churches have to remain closed then so be it.

Know what’s sad? People ignoring proper precautions set in place for good reason and dying.

Not wanting to die from a horrible illness means you don’t love Jesus? Give me a break.

Churches are the light of the hope that Christ gives. Besides that, it's the only place where Christians can surely gather in a community and help out one another and learn God's word. We dare to extinguish this altogether. Churches should have been allowed to be opened as long as extra precautions are taken. Like each person in the pulpit is spread at least 6 feet apart. The elderly and those with health issues that may increase their risk can be the ones asked to stay home from church. Sanitize the pulpits and the Bibles, and no handshaking or hugging. And of course, no handshaking or hugging.
Extra precautions are no problem in the church. But I am outraged at shuttering down our churches. This church closedown might give ample opportunity for Christians to doubt their faith, and drift further, in addition to being depressed.
I don't mind schools, beaches, gyms, pools, malls, and other large centers where people gather get closed down during this pandemic.
There is one cheat along this social distancing though: House churches can still be held as long as it does not have more than 10 people.