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Does anyone like to chat about and use one verse each day? Who would like to do Bble studies based on the Verse of the Day in this thread?
Does anyone like to chat about and use one verse each day? Who would like to do Bble studies based on the Verse of the Day in this thread?
I see where you are going with this Robin. If we would pray that Paul's letters would 'speak clearly' to this generation, perhaps his words would be found to be unto edification, and not division within the body of Christ. Are you then suggesting that anointed words sent from God should speak to us as 'in the room with us', assuming that the listener is abiding in the Spirit?Does God intend us, today, to literally pray for ..."Paul" ... to speak clearly?
I appreciate your devotion to the written word, and your faithfulness. I am going to post something I wrote about hearing the voice of the spirit. When I am reading scripture aloud, and listening with my spirit, the translation becomes less critical, as I press in to hearing what the voice of the Spirit is saying. Same goes for listening to preaching, or any other spoken word, I listen to the voice of the Spirit. I can testify in sincerity and Truth, that I have heard many a preacher grieve the Holy Spirit, which I experience in a way that is very similar to nausea.See, I told you that we are in agreement about most things; I was just suggesting that you use the correct words if you are going to quote scripture ... but these your own words, here, they are perfect.
Posted in Exposition and Bible Study, my usual forum, but I also post in the daily devotional, and the lightly read blog.I am going to post something I wrote about hearing the voice of the spirit.
Posted in Exposition and Bible Study, my usual forum, but I also post in the daily devotional, and the lightly read blog.
Forums>Theology>Christian Scriptures>Exposition and Bible StudyThat's the second time someone has mentioned this specific forum to me ...I can not find it listed in the list of forums?
Sure thing. Under devotions I am currently looking at Paul's 'eye of your understanding' (dianoia) from Ephesians 1:18, as you mentioned. I am much more 'piecemeal' if that is a good word for 'short and sweet' under the daily devotional.Oh yes ... I've been there, just didn't pay attention to the forum title ...thanks
Sure thing. Under devotions I am currently looking at Paul's 'eye of your understanding' (dianoia) from Ephesians 1:18, as you mentioned. I am much more 'piecemeal' if that is a good word for 'short and sweet' under the daily devotional.
Interesting! In the BLB interlinear, it shows that dianoia is used in that verse! I am starting to not like all this Greek discrepancy stuff. Does your base text use this word in Mark 12:30 when Jesus teaches on the shema? G1271 - dianoia - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)(Robin)
Frustrating it is, Yoda ...
James, you mention Eph 1:18 as if it contained the word "dianoi" (#1271) ...
IT DOES NOT!
pephOtismenous tous ophthalmous tEs kardias humOn eis to eidenai ***
humas tis estin hE elpis tEs klEseOs autou kai tis ho ploutos tEs doxEs
tEs klEronomias autou en tois hagiois
1:18* to~the eyes of~the heart of~yours having had been enlightened, for’ the [matter], you to have had perceived what~an expectation be, the [expectation] of~the calling of~Same [God]; and, what~a riches [be], the [riches] of~the glory of~the allotment of~Same [Anointed], among with~the sanctified
As close as I can tell, you might be referring to that Greek word (above) ..."eidenai" ...
used many times (in many forms), in the Pauline epistles ... Strong's inadvertently carries it under his listing number of #1492; however, the many, more modern attempts at adjusting Strongs, have now assigned this Greek word under the number #3609 ... be that as it may (3609 or 1492) ... "eidenai" (and all its various conjugations), are not the same Greek word as "dianoi" (#1271) ...
First ...FIRST... the words correct, and only then be drawing your conclusions ...Anakin
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1271 GK1379 dianoia (2) unto~a~thorough-comprehension N-DSF.11
1271 GK1379 dianoiOn (1) of~thorough-comprehensions N-GPF.14
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3609a GK3857 Edein (1) was 1492 I had perceived V-LAI-1S.5715
3609a GK3857 oida (15) was 1492 I have had perceived V-RAI-1S.5758
3609a GK3857 oidamen (11) was 1492 we have had perceived V-RAI-1P.5758
3609a GK3857 oidas (4) was 1492 you have had perceived V-RAI-2S.5758
3609a GK3857 oidate (27) was 1492 you have had perceived V-RAI-2P.5758
3609a GK3857 oiden (9) was 1492 he/ He has had perceived V-RAI-3S.5758
3609a GK3857 *iste *GCT, different word, see 1510; was 1492
be you having had perceived V-RAM-2P.5759
3609a GK3857 eidenai (9) was 1492 to have had perceived V-RAN.5760
3609a GK3857 eidOs (5) was 1492 having had perceived V-RAP-NSM.5761
3609a GK3857 eidotes (16) was 1492 having had perceived V-RAP-NPM.5761
3609a GK3857 eidota (p1/1) was 1492 having had perceived V-RAP-NPN.5761
3609a GK3857 eidosin (p1/1) was 1492 unto~having had perceived V-RAP-DPM.5761
3609a GK3857 eidO (p2/1) was 1492 I should have had perceived V-RAS-1S.5762
3609a GK3857 eidOmen (p1/1) was 1492 we should have had perceived V-RAS-1P.5762
3609a GK3857 eidEs \\(T1/1) was 1492 you should have had perceived V-RAS-2S.5762
3609a GK3857 eidEte (1) was 1492 you should have had perceived V-RAS-2P.5762
Man, I love that. No I am not wanting the discrepancies to go away. haha. I am just conveying the notion that inadequacies of translations, concordances, BLB interlinears, or whatever else will never undermine my confidence in the Holy Spirit being able to give me the understanding. To open to me the scriptures, regardless of the version. I have used many in parallel, and I swear by none. They are a work of man, requiring the Holy Spirit to enlighten us.Yes, it is used in Mark 12:30 ...
(James)
"I'm beginning to not like all this Greek discrepancy stuff ..."
(Robin)
Would that be, as in not liking the discrepancies ... or ... not wanting to know that they exist?
I was, at one time, a Quality Assurance auditor for the DOD ... in charge of seeing that the nuclear reactors on USN warships were refueled and maintained properly, during overhauls ...
And at the critique (after some terrible oversights had been uncovered), a fellow engineer (one of the culprits, responsible for the mess) had the balls to say, in front of the Shipyard Commander ...
"If you guys would stop finding these problems, we wouldn't have any!"
Sort of sounds akin to your statement,
"I am starting to not like all this Greek discrepancy stuff ..."
(Sophie)
If you would only stop pointing out all these verse mistakes, then we wouldn't have any, Robin ...
USS Queenfish, SSN-651, fast attack submarine. Steely eyed killers of the deep.
(Robin)
Cramped, dirty, miserable little Fast Attack ... as I seem to recall, didn't your crew (when in the Shipyard), have an outbreak of TB ... or maybe it was the boat (the Astro?) before your arrival?
Puget Sound was my home base, but I was a NAVSEA Auditor all over the country (and off-station);
I also did about a two-year stint of Environmental/ Hazardous Waste auditing, round-about in a lot of unfortunate places ...(I made a lot of CEO's cry).
My tenure on submarines was all aboard the USS Nathan Hale (Nathan Nobber we called her), the old slow, but deadly. SSBN 623 ...
No mere "steely-eyed killers," we ...
we ballistic missile boat cut-throats, we had countries to kill, worlds to exterminate ...
While we were there the Big E and the Long Beach were getting most of the attention. We were in for an 18 month non refueling overhaul, so we probably didn't get a visit from you.
Did you ever visit the training reactors in upstate New York?
I was an instructor on the S3G core 3 ATC prototype. Pretty country up there.
While at Puget, we were housed at what was the brand new Trident base up the road from Bummerton. That was nice. Fell in love with ferry rides into Seattle, hanging out in Pioneer Square. Good times.
No TB outbreak, just a lot of alcoholism. So long ago...