Fish finger fossils show the beginnings of hands

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Sam who is afraid to give his last name because it would end his career.
Or, it's a nonsense made up story.

Scientists come out with Intelligent Design preaching all the time... what they never present is actual evidence.
 
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I prefer to keep things simple. As Einstein said, as simple as possible but no simpler. God says that He created. That's good enough for me.
Which is not really a point at issue. Theists believe that God created, atheists do not. The real question is how it came about. Trying to make the evolution/creation debate into a theism/atheism debate is a red herring.
 
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Sam the cdesign proponentsist? If he exists he would appear to be nothing more than a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Did he evolve from a human to a sheep then a wolf or a human to a wolf then a sheep?
 
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LOL! No, Sam's story evolved to fit the Discovery Institute's political agenda.
Sam's story is based on his actual experience. It matches other geneticists I've read. It does not fit the evolution mafia's fairy tale. Sam is afraid that he will suffer the same fate as others who have dared to reject evolution publicly.
 
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Sam's story is based on his actual experience. It matches other geneticists I've read. It does not fit the evolution mafia's fairy tale. Sam is afraid that he will suffer the same fate as others who have dared to reject evolution publicly.
So what's the point of it? All the world's biologists have been trapped into giving lip service to a false theory. Who's running this conspiracy and why?
 
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I know enough to know that evolution is a con. For start, evolutionists found way too many flaws in the theory- including Darwin. So some genius decided to change the ground rules. So "adaptation" which was taught as scientific fact when I went to school, became "evolution". Garbage. Adaptation happens in very short time frames. Evolution supposedly takes billions of years. Adaptation is within species.

Evolution depends on life being present. No life, no evolution. You don't find rocks evolving. Now God has told humanity how life came about. He created it. Evolution is mankind's attempt to shove God out of the picture. There is nothing new about this. Just the methods have changed. Evolved if you like. Every argument in favour of evolution has been argued against by people just as educated and intelligent as evolutionists. The scientific community is bullied, bribed and blackmailed into silence. So relatively few will put their hand up and say that they reject evolution. But there are enough. I rarely see anyone argue the facts that anti evolutionists raise. It is usually an attack on the doubter. His credentials, intelligence, and sometimes his character. If the individual happens to be a believer, that is instant dismissal.

If evolution is so beyond doubt, what is there to fear? And who cares? It is of zero benefit to mankind. There are genetic researchers who utterly reject evolution doing just as valuable work as evolutionists.

Oh the irony.

Save your boilerplate ramblings for Sunday school, this thread is about the evolution of the hand in vertebrates.
 
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Sam's story is based on his actual experience. It matches other geneticists I've read. It does not fit the evolution mafia's fairy tale. Sam is afraid that he will suffer the same fate as others who have dared to reject evolution publicly.
Made up stories.

If they had evidence they'd present it. Churches all over the world would spill millions to dethrone the theory of evolution... but instead innuendos and fantasies.
 
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Evolutionist Lynn Margulis (1938–2011), a famous University of Massachusetts biology professor and the
former wife of Carl Sagan, describes a conversation she had with Richard Lewontin, a leading evolutionary biologist:
“Population geneticist Richard Lewontin gave a talk here at University of Massachusetts, Amherst, about 6 years ago, and he mathematized all of it—changes in the population, random mutation, sexual selection, cost and benefit. At the end of his talk he said, ‘You know, we’ve tried to test these ideas in the field and the lab, and there are really no measurements that match the quantities I’ve told you about.’ This just appalled me. So I said, ‘Richard Lewontin, you are a great lecturer to have the courage to say it’s gotten you nowhere. But then why do you continue to do this work? He looked around and said,‘It’s the only thing I know how to do, and if I don’t do it, I won’t get my grant money.’ So he’s an honest man,
and that’s an honest answer.”

I could go on and on and on. I've never yet met an evolutionist who can even begin to imagine that there are logical and plausible reasons to reject evolution. There are.

What a foolish post. Margulis didn’t reject evolution or common ancestry.
 
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I could go on and on and on.

With attempts at quote mining? A typical creationist tactic, but not one that impresses.

(If you want the full context of the quote, you can find it here: Discover Interview: Lynn Margulis Says She's Not Controversial, She's Right . Suffice to say, the context is different than what you presented.)

Regardless, this has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that evolutionary applications exist. Companies even file patents based on the theory of evolution.

Claiming evolution isn't useful is little more than denial of factual reality.

I've never yet met an evolutionist who can even begin to imagine that there are logical and plausible reasons to reject evolution. There are.

The only reason I've seen people reject evolution is due to a perceived conflict with sacred religious beliefs. Which is certainly a plausible reason, but does not seem a particularly logical one.
 
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They only reject the "randomness" argument. If you consider God is smart enough to make plans, then evolution works far better as a model.

Since nothing is random, it makes far more sense that mistakes are so rare.
What makes you think nothing is random?
 
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Well at least that shows you can learn a little bit. You still appear to have a bit of a problem with reality. Why don't you accept the theory of evolution?
Your imagination seems to be the problem. Where do these voices come from?
 
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What makes you think nothing is random?
Because it simply means that we don't understand something.
We say "I don't know why he punched me in the nose. It was completely random!"

The law of cause and effect. Every result has a cause.
 
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Because it simply means that we don't understand something.
We say "I don't know why he punched me in the nose. It was completely random!"
So another unwarranted assumption. When we observe things on a quantum level almost every even appears to be somewhat random. It is a world of statistics and not cause and effect.
 
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Because it simply means that we don't understand something.
We say "I don't know why he punched me in the nose. It was completely random!"
In scientific usage, "random" simply means unpredictable. It says nothing about cause or purpose.
 
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