I thought we were in the best economy ever?

[iluvatar5150]

It could be measured, I pointed it out on the graphs I provided; I know when he began dismantling Obama's policies, and right about that time things seemed to continue improving again.

When I asked you for examples of these policies, you listed off a bunch of things that couldn't possibly have made any difference. Care to take another stab at it?

 

[Ricky M]

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, comrade.

Comrade... lol. You don't assume much, do you?

 

[hedrick]

wrong forum

 

[Arcangl86]

Does formation of a regional conference require a constitutional amendment?

I'm going to answer my own question. The answer is yes, but there's a proposed stage 1, which would create a committee with legislative authority, including dealing with adaptable disciplinary provisions. That only requires a majority vote of the GC.

However the text of the resolution makes it sound like the GC has to endorse the committee's decisions. That would appear to delay any actions until the next GC, and it's not clear that the GC would actually accept the only proposal that actually matters.

I'm assuming this is the wrong thread?

 

[hedrick]

I'm assuming this is the wrong thread?

Yes. I’ll move it

 

[Ken-1122]

When I asked you for examples of these policies, you listed off a bunch of things that couldn't possibly have made any difference. Care to take another stab at it?

Really? What did I say that Trump did that made a difference? I'm curious if you were actually listening to what I said.

 

[Ken-1122]

It sounds like what you are claiming is that when things improved under Obama, it was a natural improvement of the economy in spite of Obama's ignorant and counterproductive policies; but when things continued to improve under Trump, it was because he is a masterful economic genius. And your evidence for this is that the economy has improved under both Trump and Obama. OK.

Under Obama it just returned the way things were before the recession; under Trump things improved to a level not seen in nearly half a century.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Really? What did I say that Trump did that made a difference? I'm curious if you were actually listening to what I said.

You said:

Below are a list of a few of the many regulations Trump cut; most of which were put in place by Obama that Trump claimed was strangling the economy.
*Trans-Pacific partnership
*Environmental regulations( like Clean power plan, Coal plan emission standards)
*Paris Climate accord
*Auto Emission standards as well as fuel efficiently standards requiring cars to get 54mpg by 2025
*North American free trade agreement; although he pretty much renegotiated it in a way he said is better for the US

Then, in Post 146, I pointed out how none of these examples support your claim.

Not only was I listening to what you said, but I'm pretty confident that I understand your point (and its flaws) better than you do.

 

[Allandavid]

It could be measured, I pointed it out on the graphs I provided; I know when he began dismantling Obama's policies, and right about that time things seemed to continue improving again.

Aah....we’re now down to “seemed”......progress!

No, the strangulation was just a slowing down of the recovery. When the economy is at it's worse and it has no place to go but up, that is the worse time to see if your policies are helping or hindering recovery

And “strangulation” is now “just a slowing down”....more progress!

 

[jardiniere]

The minimum wage has never been designed to be a living wage.

Why We Need a Minimum Wage (Forbes)

"No, the minimum wage is necessary to protect taxpayers from the rational desire of firms to get something for nothing."

"Arguments in favour of a minimum wage mostly hang on the idea that firms have a responsibility to ensure that their workers earn enough to live on. If a firm can’t pay its workers enough to live on, then it isn’t a viable business, because it is dependent on wage subsidies."

 

[Speedwell]

Under Obama it just returned the way things were before the recession; under Trump things improved to a level not seen in nearly half a century.

LOL! Too bad he couldn't have had a third term.

 

[Ken-1122]

You said:



Then, in Post 146, I pointed out how none of these examples support your claim.

Not only was I listening to what you said, but I'm pretty confident that I understand your point (and its flaws) better than you do.

You’ve made some very good points! The 5 examples I listed appear to not have been implemented yet so they couldn’t have had an effect. Of the hundreds of regulations he has gotten rid of, I suspect some of them has had an effect, but I none of them come to mind at the moment. I also mentioned he cut taxes which I’m sure made a difference. He basically implemented “trickle down economics” via tax cuts except unlike Reagan, he spoke to CEO’s and encouraged them to spread the wealth to the workers as well. I remember during that time many corporations; to include Target, Amazon, and Walmart raised their minimum wages and many of the higher paying jobs gave increased bonuses as a result of the tax cuts they received. IMO this had an immediate effect and likely lead to the improved economy, because a lot of people got extra spending money. But like I said earlier, I don’t think there is any policy any president can do to help the economy, all he can do is get the Government out of the way to allow business to grow; one thing the government is good at is stifling business. Tump didn’t work any magic, he just got the government out of the way. When you have a guy in office that appears to be business friendly, it shouldn’t be a surprise that business grows during that time.

 

[Ken-1122]

And “strangulation” is now “just a slowing down”....more progress!

When have I suggested it was anything other than?

 

[Ken-1122]

LOL! Too bad he couldn't have had a third term.

He hasn't even had his second term yet! (LOL)

 

[Pommer]

No, the strangulation was just a slowing down of the recovery. When the economy is at it's worse and it has no place to go but up, that is the worse time to see if your policies are helping or hindering recovery

Bold: What should Obama have done differently?
This is a non sequitur

 

[Pommer]

Why We Need a Minimum Wage (Forbes)

"No, the minimum wage is necessary to protect taxpayers from the rational desire of firms to get something for nothing."

"Arguments in favour of a minimum wage mostly hang on the idea that firms have a responsibility to ensure that their workers earn enough to live on. If a firm can’t pay its workers enough to live on, then it isn’t a viable business, because it is dependent on wage subsidies."

Aren’t “wage subsidies” de facto socialism?

 

[iluvatar5150]

You’ve made some very good points! The 5 examples I listed appear to not have been implemented yet so they couldn’t have had an effect. Of the hundreds of regulations he has gotten rid of, I suspect some of them has had an effect, but I none of them come to mind at the moment.

Well, I'll be waiting here if you or anybody else comes up with any specific examples. Because I've asked this question of others before, and nobody has.

I also mentioned he cut taxes which I’m sure made a difference. He basically implemented “trickle down economics” via tax cuts except unlike Reagan, he spoke to CEO’s and encouraged them to spread the wealth to the workers as well. I remember during that time many corporations; to include Target, Amazon, and Walmart raised their minimum wages and many of the higher paying jobs gave increased bonuses as a result of the tax cuts they received. IMO this had an immediate effect and likely lead to the improved economy, because a lot of people got extra spending money.

Yes, the tax cuts had a positive effect. Nobody doubted they would. It's sort of Economics 101. The disagreement was over whether they'd have the degree of impact that Trump administration predicted (e.g. amount of gdp growth, amount of increased revenue, etc) and so far, the results have been in line with what mainstream economists predicted and not at all what the Trump administration predicted - i.e. a bit of a juice to gdp growth, with ballooning deficits and benefits concentrated among the wealthy.

But like I said earlier, I don’t think there is any policy any president can do to help the economy, all he can do is get the Government out of the way to allow business to grow; one thing the government is good at is stifling business. Tump didn’t work any magic, he just got the government out of the way. When you have a guy in office that appears to be business friendly, it shouldn’t be a surprise that business grows during that time.

That isn't what you said earlier, but okay.

 

[Ken-1122]

Bold: What should Obama have done differently?
This is a non sequitur

Gotten out of the way

 

[Ken-1122]

That isn't what you said earlier, but okay.

That's what I said back on post #102.

 

[Speedwell]

Gotten out of the way

Yes, by rescinding all of those troublesome regulations which prevent big corporations from externalizing the costs of the environmental and social impact of their operations.