If an afterlife exists

[jayem]

There is a better future ...

Eternity with complete peace and harmony... think about it.

I have thought about it. To me, the idea lacks logical coherence. If I can never experience worry, disappointment, or sadness, how can I truly appreciate joy, peace of mind, and contentment? If unhappiness doesn’t exist, then happiness, in a sense, becomes meaningless. Because I would know nothing else. Existence in a state of everlasting bliss would be emotionally one dimensional. Which to me, is robotic.

I’ve always heard Christians claim that we have free will to sin, because God doesn’t want robots. Yet—if I were to believe in an afterlife—God’s reward to us for our faith is to spend eternity as everlastingly happy robots. Am I explaining this clearly?

I know I’m applying human logic and understanding to something which will probably be argued is beyond understanding. But to me, if it’s beyond understanding, it’s also beyond belief.

 

[Michie]

I have thought about it. To me, the idea lacks logical coherence. If I can never experience worry, disappointment, or sadness, how can I truly appreciate joy, peace of mind, and contentment? If unhappiness doesn’t exist, then happiness, in a sense, becomes meaningless. Because I would know nothing else. Existence in a state of everlasting bliss would be emotionally one dimensional. Which to me, is robotic.

I’ve always heard Christians claim that we have free will to sin, because God doesn’t want robots. Yet—if I were to believe in an afterlife—God’s reward to us for our faith is to spend eternity as everlastingly happy robots. Am I explaining this clearly?

I know I’m applying human logic and understanding to something which will probably be argued is beyond understanding. But to me, if it’s beyond understanding, it’s also beyond belief.

There is no way to understand it in this realm. We see through the mirror darkly. Nobody is going to be a robot but their perfected selves from a Christian pov. To try to know every detail from our understand here to what it will be like there is a futile exercise.

 

[eleos1954]

I have thought about it. To me, the idea lacks logical coherence. If I can never experience worry, disappointment, or sadness, how can I truly appreciate joy, peace of mind, and contentment? If unhappiness doesn’t exist, then happiness, in a sense, becomes meaningless. Because I would know nothing else. Existence in a state of everlasting bliss would be emotionally one dimensional. Which to me, is robotic.

I’ve always heard Christians claim that we have free will to sin, because God doesn’t want robots. Yet—if I were to believe in an afterlife—God’s reward to us for our faith is to spend eternity as everlastingly happy robots. Am I explaining this clearly?

I know I’m applying human logic and understanding to something which will probably be argued is beyond understanding. But to me, if it’s beyond understanding, it’s also beyond belief.

if I were to believe in an afterlife—God’s reward to us for our faith is to spend eternity as everlastingly happy robots. Am I explaining this clearly?

well ... no ... what do you think about the world we live in? Happy with it?

In eternity with the Lord ... we will have choices ... but all of them will be choices that do not include hate, sorrow, fear, pain murder death starvation, health, disappointment, sadness, worry... all of the "crappy" things we experience in this world won't be there, they won't exist. It's not robotic ... it's living life to it's fullest without anguish of any kind. ;o) Where all choices have no "ill effect" on it's in inhabitants nor their habitat. Yeah, I want to live in that world.

If I can never experience worry, disappointment, or sadness, how can I truly appreciate joy, peace of mind, and contentment?

That's the point .... we have, we do ... and no doubt when we get to heaven ... we will appreciate it because we have had the comparisons our entire life on earth.

Beyond your understanding? We see glimpses of a blissful life still yet today. Imagine the blissful glimpses coming into full focus.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Where all choices have no "ill effect" on it's in inhabitants nor their habitat. Yeah, I want to live in that world.

A world without risks or consequences is a world without, well, life.

 

[jayem]

A world without risks or consequences is a world without, well, life.

Absolutely. A life without challenges, and without experiencing the full range of emotions is a bare mechanical existence. Thinking this would be any kind of paradise is hopelessly quixotic and misguided.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Absolutely. A life without challenges, and without experiencing the full range of emotions is a bare mechanical existence. Thinking this would be any kind of paradise is hopelessly quixotic and misguided.

On top of which, how could there be learning? Being wrong entail consequences. Being wrong points one to the next horizon. Being wrong teaches you what you really know. No consequences, no risks, no learning.

What a horrible thought? If I must live forever, however paradisically, at least let me learn and grow.

 

[MehGuy]

When I was a Christian, I thought an afterlife would be totally blissful with no suffering. Although there would be a hierarchy based on the suffering one endured on earth. Those who suffered the most being held in the highest esteem.

As an atheist, I'm open to the possibility that future man will be technological enough to bring back the dead in some form. Even a body that has totally withered away and forgotten from history. Perhaps even with all of the person's memories brought back. The thought terrifies me more than anything. I don't hold much hope for such a thing to occur, but the idea doesn't personally sound too far fetched.

 

[Goodhuman]

In the unlikely event of there being an afterlife what will it be like? Would we be the same people we are here on earth or totally different? If someone passes into the afterlife as a child, will they stay as such, not growing into an adult? If a person has a disability or illness will they continue to suffer from it?

What do others think?

It is based on the human.

 

[pleinmont]

It is based on the human.

What do you mean?

 

[Goodhuman]

What do you mean?

On that how the human lived.

 

[Lazarus Long]

and unless you are willing to believe otherwise ... you will stay that way ... for eternity.

There is a better future ...

“He has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.”
—1 Peter 1:3-4

“He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”
—Revelation 21:4

a very different world (one of complete peace and harmony) awaits for those who believe

Eternity with complete peace and harmony... think about it.

Yeah some men wrote that, would you like me to write something for you to believe?

 

[pleinmont]

On that how the human lived.

Hmmmmmmmmm! Some Christians believe if they get 'saved' they will go to the imaginary heaven, however bad they have been during their life.

 

[eleos1954]

Yeah some men wrote that, would you like me to write something for you to believe?

What? Something written by some men? Many things written ... many things believed, don't believe in God ... that's ok .... I and others do ... also ok. It's a choice we all have.

 

[Robban]

I have thought about it. To me, the idea lacks logical coherence. If I can never experience worry, disappointment, or sadness, how can I truly appreciate joy, peace of mind, and contentment? If unhappiness doesn’t exist, then happiness, in a sense, becomes meaningless. Because I would know nothing else. Existence in a state of everlasting bliss would be emotionally one dimensional. Which to me, is robotic.

I’ve always heard Christians claim that we have free will to sin, because God doesn’t want robots. Yet—if I were to believe in an afterlife—God’s reward to us for our faith is to spend eternity as everlastingly happy robots. Am I explaining this clearly?

I know I’m applying human logic and understanding to something which will probably be argued is beyond understanding. But to me, if it’s beyond understanding, it’s also beyond belief.

Well, Sarah laughed when the angel told Abraham that
he would return in a years time and Sarah would be holding a son.

"Haha" (from inside the tent)
"Why did you laugh Sarah" asked the angel,
"I did not laugh" she replied,

"Yes, you laughed" said the angel.

So pretty normal when something wonderous is told.
would reckon.

What is worse is willful deniers.

 

[Lazarus Long]

What? Something written by some men? Many things written ... many things believed, don't believe in God ... that's ok .... I and others do ... also ok. It's a choice we all have.

Precisely you believe the words of men.

 

[Lazarus Long]

Well, Sarah laughed when the angel told Abraham that
he would return in a years time and Sarah would be holding a son.

"Haha" (from inside the tent)
"Why did you laugh Sarah" asked the angel,
"I did not laugh" she replied,

"Yes, you laughed" said the angel.

So pretty normal when something wonderous is told.
would reckon.

What is worse is willful deniers.

Who recorded that exchange and are those "quotes" accurate?

 

[Robban]

Who recorded that exchange and are those "quotes" accurate?

Obviously it was my own paraphrase.

Genesis 18:9-15

Moses recorded it, it was dictated to him by the Almighty.

Not that you are intressted in any way.

 

[Lazarus Long]

Obviously it was my own paraphrase.

Genesis 18:9-15

Moses recorded it, it was dictated to him by the Almighty.

Not that you are intressted in any way.

So god dictated the bible. That's new. None of the experts contend that Moses wrote anything at all. In what language did he write?

 

[Robban]

So god dictated the bible. That's new. None of the experts contend that Moses wrote anything at all. In what language did he write?

New to you maybe.

"experts"?

This may also be new to you,
Scandinavien Bibles start with,

1st Moses,
2nd Moses,
3rd Moses,
4th Moses,
5th Moses,
Torah is five books of Moses.

 

[Lazarus Long]

New to you maybe.

"experts"?

This may also be new to you,
Scandinavien Bibles start with,

1st Moses,
2nd Moses,
3rd Moses,
4th Moses,
5th Moses,
Torah is five books of Moses.

What language did you say he wrote in?