Why is Schiff Witholding Documents?

[JohnAshton]

Murkowski and Alexander say he did it.

 

[Aldebaran]

You call that a trial? Jury’s don’t decide on guilt by only hearing opening statements and each side’s case as presented by the lawyers. They have to hear from witnesses. They have to look at evidence. They’ve done none of these things. That’s not a trial.

The House dems got to present their witnesses. That's what helped generate those 2 articles of impeachment. If the dems couldn't present a solid enough case by the time the House was done, then they obviously didn't do their job. What they wanted in the Senate is to keep repeating what we've already heard in the House, and that's what they did. Prolonging it would do no good.

 

[Aldebaran]

No, it is not. Bloomberg's ad campaign about Trump will be an incredibly accurate recollection of Trump's history.

Yes, it is.
Billionaire Bloomberg is who the democrats like now? I thought rich people (especially billionaires with 50 or 60 billion dollars!) were evil and not to be trusted.

 

[Aldebaran]

I'm perfectly OK with impeaching any president who abuses their power to coerce a foreign government into interfering with our elections. I don't know why anyone wouldn't be.

There's plenty of other things to impeach for. The fact that the democrats were wanting to impeach Trump before he was even inaugurated is proof of this. But if that's the standard you don't mind seeing being put into place, then you shouldn't mind when that becomes the standard in place when a democrat becomes president.

 

[Aldebaran]

Weird Donald would go through the effort of running an ad campaign against him, then.

Somehow facts like these continue to contradict the Republican narrative.

Biden is the only opponent Trump has said anything against. Anybody on earth knows that.

 

[JohnAshton]

Where did you ever learn to think such a thin? Dems and indies and centrists and neverTrump voters respect rich (especially billionaires) who put the American voter first.

M B is going to trump down on Trump unmercifully. He will out Trump Trump. No one likes failed, ugly, bad mannered politicians.

 

[Aldebaran]

Where did you ever learn to think such a thin? Dems and indies and centrists and neverTrump voters respect rich (especially billionaires) who put the American voter first.

Respect? Sure.....
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: 'No One Ever Makes a Billion Dollars. You Take a Billion Dollars.'

"You made that money off of the backs of undocumented people, you made that money off of the backs of black and brown people being paid under a living wage, you made that money off of the backs of single mothers," Ocasio-Cortez continued. "No one ever makes a billion dollars. You take a billion dollars."

 

[JohnAshton]

Where did you ever learn to think such a thin? Dems and indies and centrists and neverTrump voters respect rich (especially billionaires) who put the American voter first.

M B is going to trump down on Trump unmercifully. He will out Trump Trump. No one likes failed, ugly, bad mannered politicians.

Respect? Sure.....
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: 'No One Ever Makes a Billion Dollars. You Take a Billion Dollars.'

"You made that money off of the backs of undocumented people, you made that money off of the backs of black and brown people being paid under a living wage, you made that money off of the backs of single mothers," Ocasio-Cortez continued. "No one ever makes a billion dollars. You take a billion dollars."

AOC is one person. Whereas you the conservatives and libertarians wanting to let people die instead of funding health care.

And remember: "M B is going to trump down on Trump unmercifully. He will out Trump Trump. No one likes failed, ugly, bad mannered politicians."

 

[Aldebaran]

AOC is one person. Whereas you the conservatives and libertarians wanting to let people die instead of funding health care.

How many examples do you need? Here's another one: Rashida Tlaib Calls Out Longtime Democratic Donor for 'Corporate Greed'

It looks like the extreme Left is starting to eat itself!

And remember: "M B is going to trump down on Trump unmercifully. He will out Trump Trump. No one likes failed, ugly, bad mannered politicians."

And the more times you say it, the more true it becomes. Keep at it!

 

[rjs330]

Murkowski says that he did it. Doesn't stop her from failing to do her congressional duty and convict though.

Lisa Murkowski says she 'cannot vote to convict,' but calls Trump's actions 'shameful and wrong' - CNNPolitics

Her opinion is not relevant to the case at hand. She says the House didn't do their job, that the Senate was just as partisan as the House. She calls his behaviors wrong. But falls short of calling them impeachable.

Most if us don't like many of the things the president says and the way he goes about things. But they don't rise to the level of impeachable offenses. And the things you claimed still didn't happen.

 

[KCfromNC]

Ukraine demands investigation into Dem. firm

Yeah, I'm not going to wade through three hours of far-right propaganda. Any chance you could point to the timestamps that answer my questions?

 

[KCfromNC]

If the dems couldn't present a solid enough case by the time the House was done, then they obviously didn't do their job.

It's solid enough to get GOP Senators to admit they proved their case. Who are we to argue otherwise?

 

[KCfromNC]

But if that's the standard you don't mind seeing being put into place, then you shouldn't mind when that becomes the standard in place when a democrat becomes president.

Like I said, I'm fine with impeaching the next President who abuses the power of their office in an attempt to court foreign interference in our elections. I thought I was pretty clear about that.

 

[KCfromNC]

Biden was not "his opponent".

Biden is the only opponent Trump has said anything against.

I'd be happy to respond, but maybe pick one or the other opinion so I can get idea of what you're actually trying to say here.

 

[stevil]

Her opinion is not relevant to the case at hand.

She listened to the statements presented in the Senate from both sides, and she concluded that there was enough information to determine that Trump did it. That he put a disgraceful shakedown on the USA ally (Ukraine) in order to gain a personal favour by having the Ukraine fabricate an investigation and hence influence the next USA election.
She was convinced this was the case.

Her opinion is relevant because she is a USA senator and hence a member of the jury. She had the power of putting her vote towards the removal of the president.

But ultimately, she abdicated.

She never even said that the charges aren't impeachable. She said she would have liked Trump to have been told off first, or given a warning.
It is almost as if she had been asleep through the whole Russia collusion investigation where it was made crystal clear for all that the consequences of working with foreigner towards conspiring with them to interfere in USA elections are dire. As if she missed it when Trump on camera to a reporter stated he'd like to know if they have dirt on my opponents
'I think I’d take it': In exclusive interview, Trump says he would listen if foreigners offered dirt on opponents and all the ruckus that caused.

 

[JohnAshton]

AOC and Tlaib. A whole two!

 

[Pommer]

…Laundered funds from Burisma were indirectly funneled to the DNC, HRC campaign, and also used for Perkins coie, steele dossier activities. This fact is established/corroborated by sworn testimony, the Latvian investigation, Ukrainian investigation, and the US investigation.

Wow.
This is hip-waders territory.

 

[JohnAshton]

LostMarbels said: ↑
…Laundered funds from Burisma were indirectly funneled to the DNC, HRC campaign, and also used for Perkins coie, steele dossier activities. This fact is established/corroborated by sworn testimony, the Latvian investigation, Ukrainian investigation, and the US investigation.

Wow.
This is hip-waders territory.

Indeed.

 

[rjs330]

Murkowski and Alexander say he did it.

Alexander also says what Trump did was not impeachable. He said the following.

I think he shouldn't have done it. I think it was wrong. Inappropriate was the way I'd say — improper, crossing the line," he said. "I think what he did is a long way from treason, bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors."

We ALL agree that Trump withheld aid. We all agree that he asked Ukraine to cooperate with the US investigation of corruption and the possible involvement of the Bidens.

What we disagree on is whether it was an impeachable offense. Some believe, as I do that it wasn't wrong for him to do it. Some believe he was "wrong" to do it, but it's not something that rises to a level of high crimes and misdemeanors. So let's just see what America believes about what the president has done. Do they want him and all he brings in the office or don't they. He didn't commit any crimes

 

[JohnAshton]

If Congress said it was impeachable, then that argument is over.

Yes, it was wrong for him to do it.