Is it Ethical to be fired for stating Christian beliefs

[stevevw]

Yes, I am going too far - I'm annoyed and taking it out on poor Steve and everyone else.

I need to take a deep breath. Folau actually is a nice guy on so many levels - yet he is a symptom of radicalisation and fundamentalism that chooses an evangelistic path that isn't about bringing out the best in people, but rather scapegoating and identifying the faults in everyone and telling them how terrible they are.

Yes radical Christians and I disagree with their sentiment and tactics. I agree Folau goes too far but I am not sure his intention is to be a bigot or attack certain groups. His church and belief is about preaching condemnation for sin and Gods judgement. Many Islanders have this belief and they sit in church and listen and believe this sincerely. They believe it is their mission to save people through calling out sinners and warning them of Gods coming Judgement and that Jesus can save them. They believe is is being loving.

But to an extent this what many Christians believe except they do not approach that belief in the same way. They may try to show Gods love through being loving and compassionate. Walking the walk instead of talking the talk. But I think every Christian asks themselves if there a time when we should confront people about sin and Gods judgement. Is this a duty and will we be judged for not calling out sinners as sometimes the soft approach doesn't do it.

The bible seems to tell us to do both. My main concern is about the freedom to express belief whether it is Folau's version or the softer approach. That at some point people will demand that Christians cannot quote certain bible verses they feel are wrong. This is where I believe all this is heading. The bible has some pretty hard line stuff especially in Revelations. Will Christians be able to warn people about the coming judgement. This makes Folau's bible verse seem timid.
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Rev 16:8-9 The fourth Angel poured his bowl on the sun: Fire blazed from the sun and scorched men and women. Burned and blistered, they cursed God’s Name, the God behind these disasters. They refused to repent, refused to honor God.
Rev 16: 10-11 The fifth Angel poured his bowl on the throne of the Beast: Its kingdom fell into sudden eclipse. Mad with pain, men and women bit and chewed their tongues, cursed the God-of-Heaven for their torment and sores, and refused to repent and change their ways.

Rev 16: 17-21 The Great City split three ways, the cities of the nations toppled to ruin. Great Babylon had to drink the wine of God’s raging anger—God remembered to give her the cup! Every island fled and not a mountain was to be found. Hailstones weighing a ton plummeted, crushing and smashing men and women as they cursed God for the hail, the epic disaster of hail.

So Folau may have said that the bush fires were because of sin, But Rev says far worse will happen to the earth and people because of sin. Do you think people will be allowed to quote these bible verses as part of their belief in public in the future.

 

[Quartermaine]

I already said I disagree with what Folau said. But me saying that people have a right to express their religious beliefs does not mean I condone what Folau said. You are confusing two separate issues with each other. He said this as a preacher inside a church. If someone decided to put that on social media that is not Folau's fault. Plus how do you know what the person wrote was correct. People are basing what he said and the context on misinformation.

By me trying to explain the reasoning behind what Folau said was to help people understand religious thinking which has been with us for thousands of years. Why do people get so outraged when they already know this is what some religions believe and have done for a long time. This is part of the outrage culture that condemns people in the same way they are accusing Folau with hatred and vitriol. Why isn't anyone saying something about this.

What Folau has done has been done by religious people and preacher for 100's of year., its nothing new. It just seems that people are more outraged nowadays. Folau wasn't just speaking about a single group of people but rather a number of sins but people once again twist the truth to make it sound worse.
Besides what about Greta Thonberg and others who claim that my generations lifestyle has caused the bush-fires and and are responsible for those who died. the destruction of the earth. That is an attack on many peoples way of living but they are not going crazy over it but rather except it as part of freedom of speech.

You keep forgetting this was said in a private setting in a place that people expect those sort of things to be said. Why so surprised. Yes I disagree with the way Folau preaches but I support the right for him and Greta to express their beliefs even if that may offend some. Here is a question for you to consider.

Are you proposing that we police what believers say in their own church and groups.

Present the full quote made by THonberg where she said your generation caused the Australian bush fires and are responsible for the destruction of Earth.

 

[keith99]

In other news this weekend Sydney hosts a stop on the HBSC 7s series and a coalition including Rugby Australia and International Rugby is contributing $1500 for bush fire relief for each try scored by the Australian teams. Barely started and over $10000 already.

On a personal note last weekend my college played one of our traditional rivals, a Catholic college. I've been to matches and subsequent receptions for over 2 decades. Not once have I heard anything even close to what Folau says so freely.

 

[stevevw]

Present the full quote made by THonberg where she said your generation caused the Australian bush fires and are responsible for the destruction of Earth.

Yeah no worries.

Greta Thunberg links bushfire crisis to climate change, demands immediate action
Teen climate activist Greta Thunberg has blamed Australia's bush-fire crisis squarely on climate change
https://7news.com.au/news/bushfires...ate-change-demands-immediate-action--c-618496

Think Globally, Shame Constantly: The Rise of Greta Thunberg Environmentalism
Appearing like some child messiah in a science fiction novel, the 16-year-old Swedish activist Greta Thunberg has just delivered what is arguably the fiercest jeremiad in America since Jonathan Edwards uncorked "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" in 1741.
You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. And yet I'm one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you!
Think Globally, Shame Constantly: The Rise of Greta Thunberg Environmentalism

Don’t blame climate change for Australian wildfires
If all you read was the liberal press, you'd think the Australian bush fires are Mother Earth’s punishment for the heresy of allowing global warming.
Don’t blame climate change for Australian wildfires

Extinction Rebellion – the new religion with Greta as its saint
Today, having abandoned the Christian faith, we have secular prophets of apocalypse just as frenzied as Christian millenarians, and just as full of faith that they are amongst the righteous and that those who don’t listen to them are sinners of the darkest hue. Extinction Rebellion is a quasi-religious secular sect which guarantees us that the end really is nigh this time, honest.
The sight of 16-year-old Greta Thunberg taking the United Nations to task, asking ‘How dare you?’ with world leaders lapping it up and applauding her every word should truly disturb adults. ‘We will not let you get away with this,’ she told the UN. Secretary General Antonio Guterres humbly responded by telling the assembled leaders: ‘Time is running out, but it is not too late.’
Extinction Rebellion – the new religion with Greta as its saint | The Conservative Woman

The madness of Extinction Rebellion
This is an upper-middle-class death cult. This is a millenarian movement that might speak of science, but which is driven by sheer irrationalism. By fear, moral exhaustion and misanthropy.
They preached about End Times. ‘What will you do when the world gets hot, what, what?’, they intoned, conjuring up images of the hellfire they believe will shortly consume mankind.
They demanded repentance. ‘Buy less, fly less, fry less’, said one placard. Catholics only demand the non-consumption of meat on Fridays, as an act of penance to mark the day of Christ’s death. This new religion demands an end to meat-consumption entirely, as penance for mankind’s sins of growth and progress.
And like all death cultists, they handed out leaflets that contained within them ‘THE TRUTH’. The leaflets foretell floods and fire: ‘We are in trouble. Sea levels are rising… Africa and the Amazon are on fire.’ The only word that was missing was locusts. They can’t be far behind these other ghastly visitations to sinful mankind.
The madness of Extinction Rebellion

Why Greta Makes Adults Uncomfortable
She looks younger than her years, yet her speeches take a shaming, authoritative tone that is, at the very least, unusual for a child. “How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood,” she told world leaders at the United Nations today.
Why Greta Makes Adults Uncomfortable

As you can see the new radical climate activists blame the past generation for climate change and use language like "How dare you" to shame and accuse people for the destruction of the environment through climate change. By linking the Australian bush fires and other disasters to climate change and saying that the past generation is to blame with language like "How dare you" she is saying that the past generation, baby boomers are to blame for the disasters.

Movements like Extinction Rebellion and other activists like some Greens MP Adam Brandt who blames the Australian PM for the Bush-fires has been likened to a apocalyptic movement with all the hallmarks of religion in preaching that they hold the only truth and the consequences of the sin of polluting the planet and not taking action and the horrible consequences for all the deniers.

 

[stevevw]

Basically we don't search for nor ever trumpet whatever specific sins other individuals are supposed to be doing, did, might do, etc, as the way we show Christ in the world.

Instead, we testify about Christ saving anyone and everyone, including us, from sins.

All sins, no matter what unknown ones, that everyone has -- human sinfulness that is universal.

Not 'we're good, you're not', but
"Look!, Christ saved me, from my sins! Imagine what He could do to save you...anyone!"

I agree but isn't testifying about Christ saving people from sin another way of saying sinners will not be saved if they don't repent and accept Christ. Its just a nice way to put things. The reality is the bible says over and over again that sinners will be condemned and end up in hell. Paul mentions it and so do all the other disciples and even Christ does. Christ speaks about Hell more than he speaks about heaven and more than anyone else.

Rev 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Jesus speaking
Mark 9:43
If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
Matthew 13:42
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Though we should not personally judge others the bible does mention the judgement of sinners and the consequences of sin a lot. Should Christians be allowed to talk about these verses to others and point out the consequences of sin to warn them.
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Just realized, this is exactly what Paul did, writing he was "foremost among sinners", or the worst.

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a trustworthy saying, worthy of full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the worst.
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Hallelujah!

Paul is also responsible for the bible verse Folau quoted and these verses

Romans 2:5, 8 says, “But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed…But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
2 Thessalonians 1:8-10
in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

 

[Quartermaine]

Yeah no worries.

Greta Thunberg links bushfire crisis to climate change, demands immediate action
Teen climate activist Greta Thunberg has blamed Australia's bush-fire crisis squarely on climate change
https://7news.com.au/news/bushfires...ate-change-demands-immediate-action--c-618496

Climate change. Not your generation.

Think Globally, Shame Constantly: The Rise of Greta Thunberg Environmentalism
Appearing like some child messiah in a science fiction novel, the 16-year-old Swedish activist Greta Thunberg has just delivered what is arguably the fiercest jeremiad in America since Jonathan Edwards uncorked "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" in 1741.
You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. And yet I'm one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you!
Think Globally, Shame Constantly: The Rise of Greta Thunberg Environmentalism

your generation caused the Australian wildfires? Not said here.
Your generation is responsible for the destruction of Earth. Nope

Don’t blame climate change for Australian wildfires
If all you read was the liberal press, you'd think the Australian bush fires are Mother Earth’s punishment for the heresy of allowing global warming.
Don’t blame climate change for Australian wildfires

Do you understand what a quote is?

Extinction Rebellion – the new religion with Greta as its saint
Today, having abandoned the Christian faith, we have secular prophets of apocalypse just as frenzied as Christian millenarians, and just as full of faith that they are amongst the righteous and that those who don’t listen to them are sinners of the darkest hue. Extinction Rebellion is a quasi-religious secular sect which guarantees us that the end really is nigh this time, honest.
The sight of 16-year-old Greta Thunberg taking the United Nations to task, asking ‘How dare you?’ with world leaders lapping it up and applauding her every word should truly disturb adults. ‘We will not let you get away with this,’ she told the UN. Secretary General Antonio Guterres humbly responded by telling the assembled leaders: ‘Time is running out, but it is not too late.’
Extinction Rebellion – the new religion with Greta as its saint | The Conservative Woman

Typical right wing propaganda....but still nothing to support your slander of a 16 year old girl.

The madness of Extinction Rebellion
This is an upper-middle-class death cult. This is a millenarian movement that might speak of science, but which is driven by sheer irrationalism. By fear, moral exhaustion and misanthropy.
They preached about End Times. ‘What will you do when the world gets hot, what, what?’, they intoned, conjuring up images of the hellfire they believe will shortly consume mankind.
They demanded repentance. ‘Buy less, fly less, fry less’, said one placard. Catholics only demand the non-consumption of meat on Fridays, as an act of penance to mark the day of Christ’s death. This new religion demands an end to meat-consumption entirely, as penance for mankind’s sins of growth and progress.
And like all death cultists, they handed out leaflets that contained within them ‘THE TRUTH’. The leaflets foretell floods and fire: ‘We are in trouble. Sea levels are rising… Africa and the Amazon are on fire.’ The only word that was missing was locusts. They can’t be far behind these other ghastly visitations to sinful mankind.
The madness of Extinction Rebellion

Still nothing to back up the slander you keep putting out about this girl.

Why Greta Makes Adults Uncomfortable

She looks younger than her years, yet her speeches take a shaming, authoritative tone that is, at the very least, unusual for a child. “How dare you? You have stolen my dreams and my childhood,” she told world leaders at the United Nations today.
Why Greta Makes Adults Uncomfortable

As you can see the new radical climate activists blame the past generation for climate change and use language like "How dare you" to shame and accuse people for the destruction of the environment through climate change. By linking the Australian bush fires and other disasters to climate change and saying that the past generation is to blame with language like "How dare you" she is saying that the past generation, baby boomers are to blame for the disasters.

Movements like Extinction Rebellion and other activists like some Greens MP Adam Brandt who blames the Australian PM for the Bush-fires has been likened to a apocalyptic movement with all the hallmarks of religion in preaching that they hold the only truth and the consequences of the sin of polluting the planet and not taking action and the horrible consequences for all the deniers.

So you have nothing. What a surprise

 

[stevevw]

Climate change. Not your generation.

But she and movements like XR blame my generation for climate change.

your generation caused the Australian wildfires? Not said here.
Your generation is responsible for the destruction of Earth. Nope

Bush fires, the destruction of the earth, whats the difference. Part of the destruction of the earth she and others are talking about with climate change is the extreme storms that wreck coasts, floods caused by climate change that destroy peoples homes and bush-fires caused by climate change that burns the land. That is the only way climate change destroys the earth through climate made disasters like bush-fires. They say climate change caused droughts, that dried the bush and made it more flammable and thus more devastating fires.

Do you understand what a quote is?

Here the same logic that is used to support an argument that Greta and XR use that blames my generation for the bush fires and other disasters caused by climate change.

Bush fires and other disasters are caused by climate change.
My generation caused climate change
Therefore my generation caused the bush-fires and other disasters.

Greta and others don't have to directly quote this they have implied it by the logic of their own argument. But that's OK Greta and XR have the right to say that as its free speech. And so is anyone who wants to express their beliefs that sin has caused the destruction of the earth and the bush fires. Its the same logic.

 

[Halbhh]

I agree but isn't testifying about Christ saving people from sin another way of saying sinners will not be saved if they don't repent and accept Christ. Its just a nice way to put things. The reality is the bible says over and over again that sinners will be condemned and end up in hell. Paul mentions it and so do all the other disciples and even Christ does. Christ speaks about Hell more than he speaks about heaven and more than anyone else.

Rev 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Jesus speaking
Mark 9:43
If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
Matthew 13:42
They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Though we should not personally judge others the bible does mention the judgement of sinners and the consequences of sin a lot. Should Christians be allowed to talk about these verses to others and point out the consequences of sin to warn them.
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Paul is also responsible for the bible verse Folau quoted and these verses

Romans 2:5, 8 says, “But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed…But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
2 Thessalonians 1:8-10
in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

Believers agree on all of these things you quote, but there's a big problem. Someone condemning others is putting themselves in danger of being condemned!

Luke 6:37 Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

How to tell the good news -- it's for all of people -- all are sinners!

That's so crucial. I don't go to a house the next morning after a party and tell them they are going to hell because they drank too much, but instead I should only tell the good news about Christ, able to save anyone from their sins. Instead of judging the lost --which Paul directly and explicitly says not to do (ask if you need the verse) -- we tell them the Good News only, the gospel of Christ!

 

[Quartermaine]

But she and movements like XR blame my generation for climate change.

Bush fires, the destruction of the earth, whats the difference. Part of the destruction of the earth she and others are talking about with climate change is the extreme storms that wreck coasts, floods caused by climate change that destroy peoples homes and bush-fires caused by climate change that burns the land. That is the only way climate change destroys the earth through climate made disasters like bush-fires. They say climate change caused droughts, that dried the bush and made it more flammable and thus more devastating fires.

Here the same logic that is used to support an argument that Greta and XR use that blames my generation for the bush fires and other disasters caused by climate change.

Bush fires and other disasters are caused by climate change.
My generation caused climate change
Therefore my generation caused the bush-fires and other disasters.

Greta and others don't have to directly quote this they have implied it by the logic of their own argument. But that's OK Greta and XR have the right to say that as its free speech. And so is anyone who wants to express their beliefs that sin has caused the destruction of the earth and the bush fires. Its the same logic.

If you are going to make claims about what someone said then you need to back it up with their actual words, other wise it's just false witness.

 

[stevevw]

If you are going to make claims about what someone said then you need to back it up with their actual words, other wise it's just false witness.

Did Greta and XR say that the climate change caused the bush fires and other global disasters or not. Did they also say that past generations have caused climate change. It doesn't take a rocket science to work that one out. Haven't you ever heard of people saying that person has said this about me by implying this and that. It is a common form of communication. There is no assumption or ambiguity about what they are implying. So it is not a false witness.

Besides that is not the point. You are side tracking the debate and getting stuck on irrelevant issues. My point was about how people use similar tactics to what they say Folau is doing all the time and no one attacks them for condemning certain people and lifestyles. Go on social media and see the vile and horrific vitriol some use to destroy peoples lives. In fact some are praise for doing so.

I was using the climate change debate as an example where some climate change activists blame past generations for their lifestyles for causing climate change and the disasters that happen as a result. They use accusatory and judgmental language just like people claim Folau used to get their point across and no one gets all outraged for them doing so. That's because it is all part of free speech.

 

[Tinker Grey]

I was using the climate change debate as an example where some climate change activists blame past generations for their lifestyles for causing climate change and the disasters that happen as a result.

And what if they do? Did they say a divinity is punishing the world for past generations' life styles? No?

Then of what relevance is this?

The problem with "God is punishing X because of gays" is that it is fundamentally a call to hurt gays in some way to show God that you should no longer be punished.

This is the fundamental difference between "Y actions are directly correlated with Z" and "God is punishing us with Z because of Y".

 

[Quartermaine]

Did Greta and XR say that the climate change caused the bush fires and other global disasters or not.

is that what you claimed she said?

Besides that is not the point. You are side tracking the debate and getting stuck on irrelevant issues.

truth is never irrelevant

 

[FireDragon76]

Yes, I am going too far - I'm annoyed and taking it out on poor Steve and everyone else.

I need to take a deep breath. Folau actually is a nice guy on so many levels - yet he is a symptom of radicalisation and fundamentalism that chooses an evangelistic path that isn't about bringing out the best in people, but rather scapegoating and identifying the faults in everyone and telling them how terrible they are.

Zoii, if he repeatedly does these things, perhaps you should not characterize him as a "great guy"? At some point, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.

Unfortunately, evangelicalism attracts and cultivates kooks. These aren't your kinder, gentler kind of Christians, they have a theocratic agenda and are quite dangerous in how they corrupt the gullible and psychologically damaged among us.

 

[stevevw]

And what if they do? Did they say a divinity is punishing the world for past generations' life styles? No?

Then of what relevance is this?

The point isn't about divinity. The point is about blaming peoples lifestyles as being bad. That is what some environmental activist do. They are blaming the bad lifestyles for climate change and saying they should be punished. What did Greta say, "we won't let you get away with this". The point is it is the same logic as what people claim about Folau's preaching that sin has caused the bush-fires. People often blame others for what is happening all the time but we don't seem to be too worried. That is because it is a free society to express your beliefs and views.

[/quote] The problem with "God is punishing X because of gays" is that it is fundamentally a call to hurt gays in some way to show God that you should no longer be punished.

This is the fundamental difference between "Y actions are directly correlated with Z" and "God is punishing us with Z because of Y".

No that is your interpretation of this. First it was not just about gays. He listed a number of sins including adulterers and fornicators. So the sin of having sex outside marriage and having unmarried sex. As well as a number of other sins so a lot of people are included. So he is not singling out gays. Why are not people up in arms about fornicators being singled out. Why not liars or drunks.

There is no call to hurt anyone. He is simply saying that these sins (sin itself) has led to the down fall of society. IE you reap what you sow. Sociologists have said this about past empires like the Romans where their immorality including sexual promiscuity led to their downfall. Where people have said sin causes societies to crumble and leads to its collapse. Preachers have been saying this for decades.

But its the same logic as the new religion of climate activists in saying that lavish lifestyles and actions of polluters and putting money before the environment (materialists) has caused climate change and now you will reap what you sow with disasters like bush fires, extreme storms, sea level rises and floods. But in climate activist like XR blame baby boomers for the lavish, excessive and wasteful lifestyles.

Besides this has been said in a private setting. Are we going to police people in what they say in their own homes and churches now. Will we send in language police to monitor what is said. Will we ban the bible.

 

[stevevw]

is that what you claimed she said?


truth is never irrelevant

Here is simple logic. Lets say your an atheist and this is only hypothetical so don't take it as serious or true. But if you were an atheist and I said all atheists are immoral am I calling you immoral. Is that another way of saying your immoral but only in an indirect way. Do I have to saying it word for word to say that you are immoral.

 

[Quartermaine]

The point isn't about divinity. The point is about blaming peoples lifestyles as being bad. That is what some environmental activist do. They are blaming the bad lifestyles for climate change and saying they should be punished. What did Greta say, "we won't let you get away with this".

saying someone needs to be accountable is not saying the person is bad or that they should be punished.
Please stop slandering this girl.

 

[Quartermaine]

Here is simple logic. Lets say your an atheist and this is only hypothetical so don't take it as serious or true. But if you were an atheist and I said all atheists are immoral am I calling you immoral. Is that another way of saying your immoral but only in an indirect way. Do I have to saying it word for word to say that you are immoral.

the simple logic is that you falsely claimed this girl said something she did not.

 

[stevevw]

the simple logic is that you falsely claimed this girl said something she did not.

There is no logic in what you are saying because I have shown she did by implication. Showing people say things by implication is an everyday occurrence.

I have supported that that she said the baby boomers have caused the bush fires and other harm through implication by showing the logic of my argument.
1) Bush fires and other disasters are caused by climate change.
2) My generation caused climate change
3) Therefore my generation caused the bush-fires and other disasters.
Premise 1 and 2 are true therefore by implication 3 is true. You now have to show that the above is wrong.

Implication meaning (Cambridge dictionary)
Meaning of implication in English. an occasion when you seem to suggest something without saying it directly: [ + that ] From what she said, the implication was that they were splitting up. She accused the party and, by implication, its leader too.

Here is another article showing how Greta has linked the bush fires to climate change and therefore is blaming at least this generation for the bush-fires

Swedish climate change activist Greta Thunberg has hit out at a lack of political action in the wake of Australia's bushfire 'catastrophe'.
Teenage climate warrior Greta Thunberg has accused Australia's politicians of "failing to make the connection" between rising temperatures and extreme weather events.
'How is this possible?': Greta Thunberg weighs in on Australia's bushfire crisis

Anyway lets move on from the semantics. I will concede that Greta and other XR activists have not said directly that past generations (baby boomers) are responsible for the bush-fires to move things on. Now do you acknowledge that they are saying past generations are responsible for climate change and the harm done by climate change indirectly. Is that not what Great was saying when she said "how dare you" , "you have take my future" and "you will pay for this".

 

[stevevw]

saying someone needs to be accountable is not saying the person is bad or that they should be punished.
Please stop slandering this girl.

I am not slandering this girl and she is perfectly entitled to say those things. I think it is good she has raised the awareness of the climate change problem. Just like some Christians honestly believe they have a duty and are increasing the awareness of the consequences of sin. It is the same logic as what some Christians do in accusing sinners for the plight of modern society and therefore they should also have the same right to do so.

In the same way Greta believes that in calling out those who are committing pollution she can hold them to account is the same way that some Christians will call out sinners to be accountable. When a Christian says that sinners will pay for sin by going to hell climate activists say polluters will pay as in Greta saying "you will pay" to the politicians in her speech at the UN by having the catastrophes caused by climate change reign down on you. Same logic as far as I can see.

 

[Quartermaine]

There is no logic in what you are saying because I have shown she did by implication.

She didn't say it

Showing people say things by implication is an everyday occurrence.

isn't that called lying?