Can we eat pork, shellfish and crustaceans? And what about blood in meat?

[coffee4u]

If sin is transgression of the law, and there is no law; then there is no transgression of the law.

If there is no transgression of the law; then there is no sin.

If there is no sin; what need is there of grace?

I never said there was no sin. Nor did I say there was no law, just no Old Testament law as a set of written rules. The law that we have is on our hearts and it is between us and God.


Hebrews 10:16
"This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

Romans 6:14
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Matthew 22
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Romans 14:14
I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.

 

[HARK!]

Hebrews 10:16
"This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

I'm well familiar with that verse. It is derived from Deuteronomy 6. Deuteronomy 6 is about loving YHWH with all of your heart; and following all of his instruction. When Yahshua was asked what is the foremost precept; he quoted Deuteronomy 6.

 

[Al Touthentop]

Where was this prophesied?

In several places. Jeremiah 33 is a good place to start.

I did answer that question. You just weren't attentive enough. I'll spell it out for you, Sukkot.

You're calling me the feast of Tarbernacles? Is that an insult or something? It's weird.

You shall keep it a feast to Yahweh seven days in the year. It is a statute forever throughout your generations. You shall keep it in the seventh month. 42 You shall dwell in booths seven days. All who are native-born in Israel shall dwell in booths, 43 that your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh your God.’”

I don't consider the bible to be contradictory. It was forever for those generations. Those generations have passed and God established a new covenant which replaced the old as Paul wrote by inspiration of God. If you reject Paul's writings then you reject God's word on the subject, not I.


You still haven't let me know when you last sacrificed a goat or a bull or doves.

 

[HARK!]

I don't consider the bible to be contradictory. It was forever for those generations. Those generations have passed and God established a new covenant which replaced the old as Paul wrote by inspiration of God. If you reject Paul's writings then you reject God's word on the subject, not I.

Acts 18:21 KJV

21 But (Paul) bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

 

[renniks]

Yahshua's words are the Father's (YHWH's) words. The Torah (Law) are the Father's words.

PASSOVER



“And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD {YHWH} throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)



UNLEAVENED BREAD



“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)





SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks)



“And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)



YOM KIPPUR



Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings.



FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot)



And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)



Numerous New Testament examples show where people were intending to keep the Feasts, were keeping them, and would keep them again the in Kingdom. Those passages include: Luke 2:42; John 5:1; 7:2, 10, 14; 12:20; Matthew 26:2, 17, 29; Acts 18:21; and 1Corinthians 5:8.



Yahshua himself kept the feasts as he calls us to follow his example.



May each of us be like the Apostle Paul when he said clearly and with total resolve, "I must by all means keep this Feast!"

Are you Jewish?
Do you follow the whole Torah? Or just certain parts?
If you break one part you're guilty of all of it, according to James. Fortunately, we're not under the law.
And the law saved no one.

 

[HARK!]

In several places. Jeremiah 33 is a good place to start.

"Go look in Jeremiah, or someplace else, is not a sufficient proof of your assertion.

Can you show me specifically, any verse that specifically proves your assertion, "And then as prophesied, the law was abolished?"

 

[HARK!]

 

[HARK!]

Are you Jewish?

What is Jewish? YHWH's people are Yahudim.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Do you follow the whole Torah? Or just certain parts?

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

So Yahua Save ME! YAH SHUA!

If you break one part you're guilty of all of it, according to James. Fortunately, we're not under the law.
And the law saved no one.

Matthew 7:21-23

"Not everyone who says to Me, King, King, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father (keeps His Commandments) in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, King, King, have we not prophesied in Your name, and cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then will I (Yahusha) declare to them, I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness" (you who are without The Law of Yahuah).

 

[renniks]

What is Jewish? YHWH's people are Yahudim.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."




(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

So Yahua Save ME! YAH SHUA!



Matthew 7:21-23

"Not everyone who says to Me, King, King, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father (keeps His Commandments) in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, King, King, have we not prophesied in Your name, and cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then will I (Yahusha) declare to them, I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness" (you who are without The Law of Yahuah).

So you believe you are justified by keeping the law and just reject all of Paul's teaching?
And you didn't answer. Do you keep the whole law? Do you stone people for example?

 

[HARK!]

So you believe you are justified by keeping the law and just reject all of Paul's teaching?

What did Paul teach of the law?

Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the Law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Romans 7:12 - Therefore the Law [is] holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

Romans 7:22 - For I delight in the Law of Yahweh according to the inward man.

Romans 8:6-7 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against Yahweh; for it is not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be.

And you didn't answer. Do you keep the whole law?

I did answer.

So Yahua Save ME! YAH SHUA!

Do you stone people for example?

That law is for Yahudim IN the Kingdom. A righteous judge does not execute decrees outside of his jurisdiction.

 

[renniks]

What did Paul teach of the law?

Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the Law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Yes, our faith is what is important, not keeping the Torah. That's the main point of Romans 3. You are just cherry picking verses to avoid the obvious.

 

[Kaon]

I've been reading about the food laws. Some christians believes you may eat all meat and some believes you may only eat clean meat.

I don't know what is right. The christians I know eat all meat. Some arguments are that we are not under the law anymore and Peter's vision (but Peters visions was about the gentiles to my opinion).

But in the Old Testament God warns us about eating unclean meat, especially the shellfish and crustaceans where he repeats multiple times that it is an abomination. Now science also says pork, shellfish and crustaceans are full of toxins and bad for your health. So thats makes it more sense to keep the commandment and not eat pork, shellfish and crustaceans anymore.

And what about blood in meat? God has warned us about that a couple times in the Old Testament and also in the New Testament.

So what's right? I don't know it anymore. I am actually more convinced to obey the food laws. But circumstances makes it difficult to obey the food laws. It's not a problem for me to not eat pork, shellfish and crustaceans anymore. The problem is that there are not really shops in my country that sells kosher meat to buy chicken and beef. There is actually only one kosher butcher in my country and the prices are expensive too. My husband would never agree with that. We are not rich. So that's not an option.

Does God mind that I still eat chicken and beef with blood in it, because I have no other choice?

Do you think the Most High would renege on what He has told us as rules previously?

If we are Christian, we fight with all of our might to be like Christ. He followed every Law of the Most High He was supposed to. Therefore, so should we.

Likely we will fail most of the time, but that is beside the point: what parent will negate their previously set up "house rules" just because one sibling is able to follow them 100%? Even if you fail, they forgive you but expect you to continue to try to follow their rules - as long as you want to be their child.

You see a clear reason why those Laws were given to us from academia - it was meant for us to be able to be as healthy as possible with or without techcnology. You are also right; Peter's vision was about gentiles, not eating all meat. He says this himself, and he also tells God, "no unclean thing has touched my lips," signifying Christians like Peter still followed the "Old Testament" laws after Christ had died and resurrected.

Think about what you would tell the Most High: I thought your laws were invalid - despite you saying yoh don't change, and despite your Son who I claimed to follow obeying Your Laws perfectly - because someone told me so. Do you think that would fly with Him, especially when you are being convicted to change your way and seek out what is true?

 

[HARK!]

Yes, our faith is what is important, not keeping the Torah. That's the main point of Romans 3. You are just cherry picking verses to avoid the obvious.

(CLV) Ja 2:17
Thus, also, is faith, if it should not have works: it is dead by itself.

(CLV) Gn 26:5
inasmuch as your father Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My instructions, My statutes and My laws.

 

[coffee4u]

"Go look in Jeremiah, or someplace else, is not a sufficient proof of your assertion.

Can you show me specifically, any verse that specifically proves your assertion, "And then as prophesied, the law was abolished?"

I already did, you choose not to look and not to read. You have already decided regardless of how many verses we find that you are under the law.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Galatians 3:23-25

Children of God
23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Galatians 5:18
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Romans 7:4 - Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Romans 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 7:6
But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

James 2:10 - For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

If you want to keep the law this means every part of it including the ceremonial and civil laws. I can't even begin to imagine how hard it is going to be to keep those with our current laws or to find a Levitical priest.

Ceremonial
Leviticus 1-3
3 “‘If the offering is a burnt offering from the herd, you are to offer a male without defect. You must present it at the entrance to the tent of meeting so that it will be acceptable to the Lord.

Civil
Deuteronomy 24
5 If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married.

 

[HARK!]

 

[renniks]

(CLV) Ja 2:17
Thus, also, is faith, if it should not have works: it is dead by itself.

(CLV) Gn 26:5
inasmuch as your father Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My instructions, My statutes and My laws.

Like I said, cherry picking. James knew we can't keep the whole Mosiac law.
"If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[a] you are doing right."
He was talking about doing what God wants, yes, but the question is: What does God want from us, under the new covenant?


10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.”[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

The good deeds he is speaking of are the things we do out of love, not out of duty. Those who express faith through love will be shown mercy, even though they are not keeping all of the old law.

" In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?"

Rahab surely didn't keep the law, but she expressed her faith by doing what was asked of her.

As Paul put it: " For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love."
Getting circumcised was a big deal in the old law, and yet Paul says it's worthless.
In fact, he says if you get circumcised thinking it's going to do anything for you, Christ will be of no use to you.
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

If you are trying to be justified by keeping the law, you need to repent and rely on Christ alone for salvation.

 

[HARK!]

I already did

No you didn't

you choose not to look and not to read. You have already decided regardless of how many verses we find that you are under the law.

I scanned through that chapter; but without you telling me what verse you're talking about, I don't know what you're talking about. You made the assertion. The onus of proof rests on you.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

...and you ignore the very next verse. which qualifies Paul's statement.

(CLV) Ro 6:15
What then? Should we be sinning, seeing that we are not under law, but under grace? May it not be coming to that!

What is sin? Transgression of the LAW!

Galatians 3:23-25

Children of God
23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Let's see what the Clear Literal Version, you know, the nearly word for word translation says compared to whoever translated your version.


(CLV) Ga 3:24
So that the law has become our escort to Christ, that we may be |justified by faith.

Oh, I see now. Obedience to the LAW escorts us to Messiah, who said the law will not pass away before heaven and earth. When you look at it literally; Paul doesn't contradict Messiah.

Galatians 5:18
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

...And again you ignore the verses which follow. You know...the ones that qualify what Pal is saying.

(CLV) Ga 5:19
Now apparent are the works of the flesh, which are adultery, prostitution, uncleanness, wantonness,

(CLV) Ga 5:20
idolatry, enchantment, enmities, strife, jealousies, furies, factions, dissensions, sects,

(CLV) Ga 5:21
envies, murders, drunkennesses, revelries, and the like of these, which, I am predicting to you, according as I predicted also, that those committing such things shall not be enjoying the allotment of the kingdom of God.

Hmmm....So I guess if you are lead by the spirit; you wouldn't break these laws; so you wouldn't be under the penalties for these laws.

Romans 7:4 - Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

I didn't believe for a second that Yahshua would take a lawless bride home to meet his father, the law giver. It looks like you're beginning to understand.

Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

(CLV) Gn 15:6
Now Abram believed ion Elohim, and He reckoned it to him for righteousness

(CLV) Gn 26:5
inasmuch as your father Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My instructions, My statutes and My laws.

(CLV) Ec 1:9
What occurred once, it shall occur again, And what was done, it shall be done again. There is nothing at all new under the sun.

Romans 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Again you failed to read through for understanding.

(CLV) Ro 3:31
Are we, then, nullifying law through faith? May it not be coming to that! Nay, we are sustaining law.

Romans 7:6
But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

Again, if you read on...

(CLV) Ro 7:22
For I am gratified with the law of God as to the man within,

You sure do quote Paul a lot!

Peter warned us about Paul:

(CLV) 2Pt 3:16
as also in all the epistles, speaking in them concerning these things, in which are some things hard to apprehend, which the unlearned and unstable are twisting, as the rest of the scriptures also, to their own destruction.

James 2:10 - For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

James is talking about faith here. He goes on to say:

(CLV) Ja 2:18
But someone will be declaring, "You have faith and I

have works." Show me your faith apart from the works and I shall be showing you my faith by my works.

If you want to keep the law this means every part of it including the ceremonial and civil laws. I can't even begin to imagine how hard it is going to be to keep those with our current laws or to find a Levitical priest.

(CLV) Jn 14:15
If you should be loving Me, you will be keeping My precepts.

(CLV) Mt 11:30
for My yoke is kindly and My load is light."

Yahshua is my High Priest

Ceremonial
Leviticus 1-3
3 “‘If the offering is a burnt offering from the herd, you are to offer a male without defect. You must present it at the entrance to the tent of meeting so that it will be acceptable to the Lord.

And?

Civil
Deuteronomy 24
5 If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married.

And?

 

[HARK!]

Those who express faith through love will be shown mercy

BINGO!

New King James Version
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.

 

[coffee4u]

I don't know why you are head-scratching, you asked for verses and I provided them.

...and you ignore the very next verse. which qualifies Paul's statement.

(CLV) Ro 6:15
What then? Should we be sinning, seeing that we are not under law, but under grace? May it not be coming to that!

I think now you are confused as to what we believe. I fully acknowledge the next part of the verse, I didn't include it as it didn't pertain to what I was talking about. So let's look at the second part.

(CLV) Ro 6:15
What then? Should we be sinning, seeing that we are not under law, but under grace? May it not be coming to that!

What is sin? Transgression of the LAW!

Even in a verse that clearly says we are not under the law you are still fixated on the Mosaic law?
The whole point of this was that some people being freed from the written law now thought that there was nothing to prevent them from sinning. Of course we should not sin, but sin is now doing anything against the will of God or what is not of faith, it is not about not leaving gleanings after a harvest. It's no longer about sacrificing sheep or wearing clothes with two types of woven cloth.
Hebrews 10:16
"This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."
The law on our hearts is not all the ceremonial and civil laws from the OT, it's principles of right and wrong, faith vs non-faith, love vs non-love.
Apart from the fact that most OT laws simply don't apply anymore, nor is there a handy Levitical priest around to check us for skin complaints, but these were written directly to the Jewish people. We are not Jewish, we are the Gentiles. Unless you are Jewish but even then if you are a Jewish Christian they still don't apply.

We don't need written laws to tell us what is sin, the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin. We also have the New Testament commands. Mark sums it up.
Mark 12:30-31
30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. 31 The second is this: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.”

We don't need a written law like Leviticus 19:9-18 telling us how to treat our neighbour, we know that we treat them like ourselves with love. They didn't have the Holy Spirit to guide them, they needed every type of incidence written down.

And?
And?
And, if you are keeping the OT laws, those are part of it. As I said before if you want to keep all of the Mosaic law and ignore all the NT verses that say we are no longer under the written law so be it. But as was said above that includes all of the law. Not just a part of it. I hope you are sacrificing the best of your flock because that is part of it.

 

[renniks]

BINGO!

New King James Version
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Did Rahab keep all of the old testament laws? Truth is, even Abraham broke commandments, yet was justified by faith.