Doomsday Clock is 100 seconds to midnight, the symbolic hour of the apocalypse

[friend of]

The anti-Christ will be loved by the masses across the world. LOL Trump ain't that guy

Obama fits that bill

 

[crossnote]

Doomsday Clock is 100 seconds to midnight, the symbolic hour of the apocalypse

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is moving the Doomsday Clock up to 100 seconds to midnight — a metaphor for the end of the world — in a recognition of growing threats from nuclear war, climate change and disinformation.

It is the first time the clock has passed the two-minute mark in more than 70 years of existence, a testament to the need for urgent action, the Bulletin said Thursday, as the nonprofit’s leader warned of influential leaders who “denigrate and discard the most effective methods for addressing complex threats.”

“The challenge is what do we do about it?” President Rachel Bronson told The Washington Post. In the clock’s grimmest moment ever, she believes years of dire warnings have begun to break through.

“People are starting to get it,” Bronson said, pointing to the movement ignited by teen climate activist Greta Thunberg. “But we need our leaders to be responding.”

Jerry Brown, the former California governor who serves as executive chair for the Bulletin, had a darker message after the clock was unveiled. The longtime Democratic politician said he sees “a world of vast, deep and pervasive complacency” toward the Doomsday Clock’s message across the political spectrum.

“What is being said this morning is not being heard,” Brown said. “It’s being ignored. It’s being denied.”

More at the link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/01/23/doomsday-clock/?mc_cid=ccb3b18cd8&mc_eid=688ab137ca&utm_campaign=ccb3b18cd8-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_04_08_09_12_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Albert Mohler

It's the only clock I know that goes backwards and forwards as it approaches midnight. LOL

in a recognition of growing threats from nuclear war, climate change and disinformation.

Nuclear War (check)-Climate Change (cough)- Disinformation (check)

 

[DamianWarS]

Doomsday Clock is 100 seconds to midnight, the symbolic hour of the apocalypse

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is moving the Doomsday Clock up to 100 seconds to midnight — a metaphor for the end of the world — in a recognition of growing threats from nuclear war, climate change and disinformation.

It is the first time the clock has passed the two-minute mark in more than 70 years of existence, a testament to the need for urgent action, the Bulletin said Thursday, as the nonprofit’s leader warned of influential leaders who “denigrate and discard the most effective methods for addressing complex threats.”

“The challenge is what do we do about it?” President Rachel Bronson told The Washington Post. In the clock’s grimmest moment ever, she believes years of dire warnings have begun to break through.

“People are starting to get it,” Bronson said, pointing to the movement ignited by teen climate activist Greta Thunberg. “But we need our leaders to be responding.”

Jerry Brown, the former California governor who serves as executive chair for the Bulletin, had a darker message after the clock was unveiled. The longtime Democratic politician said he sees “a world of vast, deep and pervasive complacency” toward the Doomsday Clock’s message across the political spectrum.

“What is being said this morning is not being heard,” Brown said. “It’s being ignored. It’s being denied.”

More at the link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/01/23/doomsday-clock/?mc_cid=ccb3b18cd8&mc_eid=688ab137ca&utm_campaign=ccb3b18cd8-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_04_08_09_12_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Albert Mohler

someone needs to take the batteries out of that clock

 

[dqhall]

It was 125 degrees F when I was there 15 years ago. They have that large digital temp display.

I think a 2-3 degree rise in global temperatures is survivable. Last night I worried about rising temperatures without an endpoint. The amount of coal and hydrocarbons remaining in sedimentary rock formations is huge. England is largely deleted of coal. The US and Russia have large coal reserves remaining. Fracking shales and tight siltstone may result in the release of tremendous amounts of carbon dioxide from the combustion of petroleum products and natural gas. California shales are not good for fracking. Earthquakes already fracked that area. Minor past producing fields named Eagle Ford and Bakken are now major oil fields after fracking and the use of proppants.

 

[expos4ever]

All they've done here is outline the fact that they've been using fear to try getting their agendas passed for a very long time. Nothing new.

You appear to be lumping all sorts of different things together. The fact that some things are over-hyped does not mean that other things - like human caused climate change - are not.

 

[Aldebaran]

You appear to be lumping all sorts of different things together. The fact that some things are over-hyped does not mean that other things - like human caused climate change - are not.

You got that backwards. Very backwards.
First, "climate change" is the most over-hyped thing they're using.
Second, the doomsday clock business is lumping all sort of different things together when they determine how close to doomsday we are. They've been trying to tell us that doomsday is right around the corner ever since my Dad turned 7 years old, which was 73 years ago. The climate change crowd has been giving us their own brand of doomsday predictions for quite some time now:

From 1983--
"John Hoffman, head of strategic studies for the EPA, told the New York Times, 'Major changes will be here by the years 1990 to 2000, and we have to learn how to live with them.'"
EPA report predicts catastrophic global warming

From 1989--
Governments Start Preparing for Global Warming Disasters

 

[expos4ever]

You got that backwards. Very backwards.
First, "climate change" is the most over-hyped thing they're using.

You guys have nowhere to go on this issue in the sense that the overwhelming majority of climate scientists do indeed believe that climate change is a human-caused problem.

No amount of lying - and I do mean lying - and Dunning-Kruger can change this. And please note: in this post, I am not accusing you, in particular, of lying.

About the lying: There is a disturbing trend of lying on this site, especially in three areas:

- defending Donald Trump;
- climate change
- evolution

Often, the lying is carefully dressed up. But lying it remains. People may not like the fact that the overwhelming majority of climate scientists believe global warming is caused by us. But when people suggest this is not the case - that there is not a strong consensus from the experts on this matter - they are, by any reasonable standard, lying.

And this on a Christian site.

 

[civilwarbuff]

You guys have nowhere to go on this issue in the sense that the overwhelming majority of climate scientists do indeed believe that climate change is a human-caused problem.

No amount of lying - and I do mean lying - and Dunning-Kruger can change this. And please note: in this post, I am not accusing you, in particular, of lying.

About the lying: There is a disturbing trend of lying on this site, especially in three areas:

- defending Donald Trump;
- climate change
- evolution

Often, the lying is carefully dressed up. But lying it remains. People may not like the fact that the overwhelming majority of climate scientists believe global warming is caused by us. But when people suggest this is not the case - that there is not a strong consensus from the experts on this matter - they are, by any reasonable standard, lying.

And this on a Christian site.

Well, this is a BIG surprise....you don't agree with someone just call them a liar and try to shut them down....yep, that furthers the conversation EVERY time....just not the right kind of conversation.

 

[expos4ever]

Well, this is a BIG surprise....you don't agree with someone just call them a liar and try to shut them down....yep, that furthers the conversation EVERY time....just not the right kind of conversation.

No. It is not a matter of disagreement. I disagree with a lot of people here about things and no one is lying.

But there is rampant lying on this site in respect to the climate change issue (and other things).

 

[expos4ever]

From 1983--
"John Hoffman, head of strategic studies for the EPA, told the New York Times, 'Major changes will be here by the years 1990 to 2000, and we have to learn how to live with them.'"
EPA report predicts catastrophic global warming

What, specifically, in this article was untrue or "hyped"?

 

[Aldebaran]

You guys have nowhere to go on this issue in the sense that the overwhelming majority of climate scientists do indeed believe that climate change is a human-caused problem.

No amount of lying - and I do mean lying - and Dunning-Kruger can change this. And please note: in this post, I am not accusing you, in particular, of lying.

About the lying: There is a disturbing trend of lying on this site, especially in three areas:

- defending Donald Trump;
- climate change
- evolution

Often, the lying is carefully dressed up. But lying it remains. People may not like the fact that the overwhelming majority of climate scientists believe global warming is caused by us. But when people suggest this is not the case - that there is not a strong consensus from the experts on this matter - they are, by any reasonable standard, lying.

And this on a Christian site.

If what scientists say is of such high value to those who believe in this global warming thing, then why do people lie about the effects the sun is having on the earth, which is to a larger degree than what man is causing? And why can't they answer the question about how the great ice age ended without humans doing anything at all but possibly use campfires that could possibly affect the climate? Last Glacial Period - Wikipedia

The glacial ice in Canada is said to have been up to 2 miles thick. Not there anymore! And all without human intervention, unless humans had coal fired power plants 11,700 years ago.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Answer to What Ended Last Ice Age May Be Blowing in the Wind - The Earth Institute - Columbia University
Scientists still puzzle over how Earth emerged from its last ice age, an event that ushered in a warmer climate and the birth of human civilization. In the geological blink of an eye, ice sheets in the northern hemisphere began to collapse and warming spread quickly to the south. Most scientists say that the trigger, at least initially, was an orbital shift that caused more sunlight to fall across Earth’s northern half. But how did the south catch up so fast?

Sea ice in the North Atlantic may have reorganized Earth's winds, spreading warmth from the northern hemisphere to south at the end of the last ice age. Credit: NASA.


In a review paper published this week in the journal Science, a team of researchers look to a global shift in winds for the answer. They propose a chain of events that began with the melting of the large northern hemisphere ice sheets about 20,000 years ago. The melting ice sheets reconfigured the planet’s wind belts, pushing warm air and seawater south, and pulling carbon dioxide from the deep ocean into the atmosphere, allowing the planet to heat even further. Their hypothesis makes use of climate data preserved in cave formations, polar ice cores and deep-sea sediments to describe how Earth finally thawed out.

Hmmmm.....Columbia University....not exactly a hotbed of conservative Christian 'dogma'.......But today the 'climate experts' know exactly why the earth is warming....and it has gotta be humans. Forget about learning from the past....

 

[expos4ever]

If what scientists say is of such high value to those who believe in this global warming thing, then why do people lie about the effects the sun is having on the earth, which is to a larger degree than what man is causing?

I do not care about what "people" say, I care about what actual qualified scientists say.

And, no, finding the 1 in 100 who disagrees with the other 99 does not make your case.

So what specifically is the lie you are talking about, We can take it from there.

 

[Aldebaran]

What, specifically, in this article was untrue or "hyped"?

John Hoffman, head of strategic studies for the EPA, told the New York Times, 'Major changes will be here by the years 1990 to 2000, and we have to learn how to live with them.'

'New York City could have a climate like Daytona Beach, Fla., by 2100,' he added.

The report said sea levels could rise as much as 12 feet because of melting polar ice caps.

 

[Aldebaran]

I do not care about what "people" say, I care about what actual qualified scientists say.

And, no, finding the 1 in 100 who disagrees with the other 99 does not make your case.

So what specifically is the lie you are talking about, We can take it from there.

Sounds like you automatically disregard anyone who disagrees. If that's the case, what's the point in me trying to show you anything that doesn't align with what you already think? If I did, the only way you'd "take it from there" is to ridicule any scientist or source I show you as being the "1 in 100 who disagrees" as not being credible.
Just admit it. Your mind is made up.

 

[expos4ever]

Answer to What Ended Last Ice Age May Be Blowing in the Wind - The Earth Institute - Columbia University
.....
Hmmmm.....Columbia University....not exactly a hotbed of conservative Christian 'dogma'.......But today the 'climate experts' know exactly why the earth is warming....and it has gotta be humans. Forget about learning from the past....

Shifting the goalposts - have to add that to the lying.

This is not about the current global warming issue.

 

[expos4ever]

John Hoffman, head of strategic studies for the EPA, told the New York Times, 'Major changes will be here by the years 1990 to 2000, and we have to learn how to live with them.'

How - and please be specific - is this incorrect? I assume you will refer to the term "major" and interpret it generously to your position. It is a vague statement - I do not see how you can prove this statement as incorrect.

'New York City could have a climate like Daytona Beach, Fla., by 2100,' he added.

Excuse me? How is this incorrect? Please be specific

The report said sea levels could rise as much as 12 feet because of melting polar ice caps.

Again, how is this incorrect? Could means could, not will.

Come on, man.

 

[expos4ever]

Sounds like you automatically disregard anyone who disagrees.

You have no evidence for this statement.

If I did, the only way you'd "take it from there" is to ridicule any scientist or source I show you as being the "1 in 100 who disagrees" as not being credible.

Again, you are speculating. If you post a scientist who is not qualified, yes, I will point this out. In this very thread, someone cited a source in defence of the denier position; I checked the person out and they appear Ok. And I did not dismiss that source.

If you can find one - even one - instance where I have lied, distorted, or misled, or engaged in Dunning-Kruger behaviour, I invite you to post it.

Just admit it. Your mind is made up.

This is true in the specific sense that I accept the fact that, as of today, the overwhelming majority of climate scientists believe that climate change is caused by human activity.

 

[Aldebaran]

How - and please be specific - is this incorrect? I assume you will refer to the term "major" and interpret it generously to your position. It is a vague statement - I do not see how you can prove this statement as incorrect.


Excuse me? How is this incorrect? Please be specific


Again, how is this incorrect? Could mean could, not will.

Come on, man.

Then you're admitting that the scientists I referred you to who makes these claims isn't even making a solid case for global warming.

 

[Bobber]

Doomsday Clock is 100 seconds to midnight, the symbolic hour of the apocalypse

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists is moving the Doomsday Clock up to 100 seconds to midnight — a metaphor for the end of the world — in a recognition of growing threats from nuclear war, climate change and disinformation.

Well I'm glad at least the article makes it clear who's stating this. Scientists. Remember what the scriptures say can apply to the wisdom of this world? 1 Cor 3:19 Remember as Christians we believe what God says that when men say Peace and Safety then will come sudden destruction 1 Thess 5:3 .....Or to put it this way it'll probably be a time when they've turned the clock back a few notches and everyone thinks things are fine but then surprise, surprise!