Which of the following people are saved?

[mcarans]

For the following people, please specify if you think they are saved or not and what leads you to think so. Also please indicate if you believe in single or double predestination or not.

1. A miscarried baby
2. A 5 year old who dies before becoming a Christian
3. A 15 year old who dies before becoming a Christian
4. A Christian who develops Alzheimer's or other dementia, rejects that they were ever a believer and passes away
5. A Christian who injures their brain, suffers permanent amnesia, forgets they were ever a Christian, dying many years later having never remembered
6. A person with split personality where one personality identifies as Christian and the other rejects Christianity
7. A Christian who drinks too much one day, while drunk rejects their faith and is killed in an accident before they can remember and repent

 

[HTacianas]

For the following people, please specify if you think they are saved or not and what leads you to think so. Also please indicate if you believe in single or double predestination or not.

1. A miscarried baby
2. A 5 year old who dies before becoming a Christian
3. A 15 year old who dies before becoming a Christian
4. A Christian who develops Alzheimer's or other dementia, rejects that they were ever a believer and passes away
5. A Christian who injures their brain, suffers permanent amnesia, forgets they were ever a Christian, dying many years later having never remembered
6. A person with split personality where one personality identifies as Christian and the other rejects Christianity
7. A Christian who drinks too much one day, while drunk rejects their faith and is killed in an accident before they can remember and repent

I do not comment on whether or not a person is saved. That is not up to me. We'll know the answer to that on the day of judgement.

The only form of predestination I believe in is that God has predestined Himself to have a holy people.

 

[jasonMalloy1999]

well i have a uncle who died at 2 weeks old by my grandad who lifted him and accidentally broke his neck drunk and i have a bro or sis who was misscarried and i know they both are in heaven as they never got to choose to accept or reject as for others dont know bbut i got ocd which reject but i accept jesus and he works in me

 

[BobRyan]

For the following people, please specify if you think they are saved or not and what leads you to think so. Also please indicate if you believe in single or double predestination or not.

1. A miscarried baby
2. A 5 year old who dies before becoming a Christian
3. A 15 year old who dies before becoming a Christian
4. A Christian who develops Alzheimer's or other dementia, rejects that they were ever a believer and passes away
5. A Christian who injures their brain, suffers permanent amnesia, forgets they were ever a Christian, dying many years later having never remembered
6. A person with split personality where one personality identifies as Christian and the other rejects Christianity
7. A Christian who drinks too much one day, while drunk rejects their faith and is killed in an accident before they can remember and repent

They all "could be" saved.

But if you said

1. A 15 year old who rejected the Gospel
2. A Christian with Alzheimers that at one time rejected the gospel and never came back, but now has Alzheimers
3. Drinks too much one day.. as in chose to drink too much but normally tries to drink only in what he/she considers moderate partaking of the drug alcohol for recreational purposes only?

In those cases they could all be lost, -- 1,2 almost certainly lost however on their death bed, having a moment of clarity -- who knows?

 

[Steve97]

I have no idea who is saved and who is not, except myself.
God is just and those who are unable to understand sin and salvation are saved by the blood of Christ.

 

[Ricky M]

For the following people, please specify if you think they are saved or not and what leads you to think so. Also please indicate if you believe in single or double predestination or not.

1. A miscarried baby
2. A 5 year old who dies before becoming a Christian
3. A 15 year old who dies before becoming a Christian
4. A Christian who develops Alzheimer's or other dementia, rejects that they were ever a believer and passes away
5. A Christian who injures their brain, suffers permanent amnesia, forgets they were ever a Christian, dying many years later having never remembered
6. A person with split personality where one personality identifies as Christian and the other rejects Christianity
7. A Christian who drinks too much one day, while drunk rejects their faith and is killed in an accident before they can remember and repent

1, 2, and 3 all have to do with the age of accountability. I believe we are born saved, until we come to a point where we think we know enough to make a descision on that.

4 - 7 I believe a tie goes to the runner.

 

[mcarans]

They all "could be" saved.

But if you said

1. A 15 year old who rejected the Gospel
2. A Christian with Alzheimers that at one time rejected the gospel and never came back, but now has Alzheimers
3. Drinks too much one day.. as in chose to drink too much but normally tries to drink only in what he/she considers moderate partaking of the drug alcohol for recreational purposes only?

In those cases they could all be lost, -- 1,2 almost certainly lost however on their death bed, having a moment of clarity -- who knows?

What about a 10 year old or a 5 year old who rejected the Gospel? Is it a case of the age at which they full understand what they are rejecting?
For 3, yes I was thinking of someone who normally drinks in moderation, but for whatever reason drinks too much or perhaps a better example would be someone who has an adverse reaction to medication.

 

[jasonMalloy1999]

I have no idea who is saved and who is not, except myself.
God is just and those who are unable to understand sin and salvation are saved by the blood of Christ.

all i know about it is dont sin and we are okay and hav a relationship with jesus but thts all i understand

 

[mcarans]

I have no idea who is saved and who is not, except myself.
God is just and those who are unable to understand sin and salvation are saved by the blood of Christ.

Is there Scripture to back that up?

 

[Ricky M]

Is there Scripture to back that up?

There are scriptures that say we are not accountable for what we do not know. I don't know if they apply here, but probably.

 

[Steve97]

Is there Scripture to back that up?

Canons Of Dort (20): God Unconditionally Saves Those Who Are Totally Unable To Save Themselves - Abounding Grace Radio
God Saves Whom He Wills

 

[mcarans]

Canons Of Dort (20): God Unconditionally Saves Those Who Are Totally Unable To Save Themselves - Abounding Grace Radio
God Saves Whom He Wills

I tried to look through the Canons of Dort link you posted but could not find where it actually talks about the subject. Could you quote the relevant bit?

 

[Albion]

I do not comment on whether or not a person is saved. That is not up to me. We'll know the answer to that on the day of judgement.

The best answer yet.

 

[timothyu]

The governance of God will replace the governance of man so it would seem only those opposed would lose out.

 

[archarios]

Of course I can't know specifics of God's judgement, one thing to remember is that God created us, He knows us totally, and He is not a machine. If a newborn baby nudges a glass off a table no sane adult punishes the baby. Even if there is a sign that says "You break it, you buy it.". Now maybe the shop owner demands that the parent pay for it. The parent doesn't have to make a contract with the baby before the payment is made, they just pay it.

Even though our various doctrines frequently speak in absolute terms leading to questions about fringe cases and how they work out, the answer may simply be that the fringe cases are handled in ways that seem "unfair" to us. They benefit the person without that person going through all the struggle that we do. And if it happens that way, the Glory Be to God, His will be done now and forever!

 

[ViaCrucis]

For the following people, please specify if you think they are saved or not and what leads you to think so. Also please indicate if you believe in single or double predestination or not.

1. A miscarried baby
2. A 5 year old who dies before becoming a Christian
3. A 15 year old who dies before becoming a Christian
4. A Christian who develops Alzheimer's or other dementia, rejects that they were ever a believer and passes away
5. A Christian who injures their brain, suffers permanent amnesia, forgets they were ever a Christian, dying many years later having never remembered
6. A person with split personality where one personality identifies as Christian and the other rejects Christianity
7. A Christian who drinks too much one day, while drunk rejects their faith and is killed in an accident before they can remember and repent

Literally no one can judge or make such determinations. Our prayer should be that all of them are saved. God only knows, and God alone can judge. Our job isn't to say who is and isn't saved, rather we put our faith in Christ our Savior who died for all, and it is the will of Him that all be saved.

Salvation isn't a club that God exacts some kind of member fee for. Salvation is what God is bringing to the world and for the world, it is what He wills and wants for the world. He is pro-salvation, and pro-active in accomplishing it.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[1213]

For the following people, please specify if you think they are saved...

I believe anyone can be saved from the judgment, but only righteous will get eternal life:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Mat. 5:20

I can’t tell specifically who are righteous. But I know that those who are, can be recognized by this:

He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

 

[Steve97]

I tried to look through the Canons of Dort link you posted but could not find where it actually talks about the subject. Could you quote the relevant bit?

Sorry for the confusion. Maybe this will help...
Do mentally ill people go to heaven? Does God show mercy to those who are mentally challenged, disabled, or handicapped? | GotQuestions.org
Where do I find the age of accountability in the Bible? What happens to babies and young children when they die? | GotQuestions.org

 

[hedrick]

I tried to look through the Canons of Dort link you posted but could not find where it actually talks about the subject. Could you quote the relevant bit?

See article 17. Canons of Dort

 

[mcarans]

See article 17. Canons of Dort

Thank you. Since it starts "Since we must make judgments about God’s will from his Word" and doesn't quote from the Bible, it seems a lot like an opinion rather than something Scriptural. Also it is only about children not the adult cases I raised.