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The only one being foolish here is yourself..
This thread has been a veritable showcase of error, speculation, Dunning Kruger, abdication of burden of proof responsibility, and on and on.
 
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I question many once trusted, now bought and paid for, experts. They’ll say what brings home the bacon, or go hungry.
You are speculating and engaging in conspiracy thinking.

Evidence please.

Do you think all scientific pronouncements are equally tainted?
 
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You are speculating and engaging in conspiracy thinking.

Evidence please.

Do you think all scientific pronouncements are equally tainted?

The push behind "climate crisis" is enormous and well funded. Follow the money, and the power. I am not alone in distrusting the silly 97% consensus claim. You will see the same scientific community pronounce "Hunky dory!" over the entire transgender industry (including lowering the age for transition of minor children) before long. They will have to, or get out as have others who weren’t willing to lie.

Believe whatever you want.
 
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The push behind "climate crisis" is enormous and well funded. Follow the money, and the power. I am not alone in distrusting the silly 97% consensus claim. You will see the same scientific community pronounce "Hunky dory!" over the entire transgender industry (including lowering the age for transition of minor children) before long. They will have to, or get out as have others who weren’t willing to lie.

Believe whatever you want.
so conspiracy theories and a misunderstanding of human sexuality to distract ....gotcha.
 
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From NASA:

The vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists- 97% - agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change.

What evidence do you have that the figure is closer to 50%?

Please note: I will check the credentials of your source. And you are free to question NASA’s credibility.
again check the evidence:

I actually agree that humans are responsible for "some" global warming. But is it signifigant? They don't tell you that.
 
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I decided to humor you and watch that video . Prager U . Which is not a university and has a well known and well deserved poor reputation for having bogus or misleading science information.

maybe I won’t watch it
so again you attest to one guy who did a study on 97% and don't even know his qualifications at all. But believe the "news agencies that reported it as fact?" But then won't even watch a 5 minute video totally reproving it? Ok! we can see your totally open minded regarding this and not biased at all.
 
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Please tell us who the source is - cannot access YouTube now.
basically he stated that the study was biased. He basically gathered two groups of people to get the 97%. The first group believed in "some" man mad climate change but didn't specify "catastrophic climate change." Then the second group didn't even say there was man made climate change specifically but the man thought it was "implied." So again yes most scientists agree with global warming, but there have been no studies posted that the consensus does think it's catastrophic. So the entire premise stating that 97% believe in global warming is really a myth, and misleading. Trump would call it fake news.
 
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Trump signs global warming regulations for military. This is sad. I don't agree with much of what Trump believes, but I am a conservative. I am surprised by this move, I do know his children have an affect on his views. They changed his views from being against homosexual marriage, to endorsing it for example. So not sure if this was the case here. But I don't think that we have enough evidence for global warming. Over all the climate has warmed by roughly one or two degrees is all. And 75% of green house gas is water vapor. The c02 in the atmosphere is like less than 5% of total green house gas. So lets look at the figure, 5% of 1 or 2% (.05%) of warmth over the last few hundred years, is man made. Not a big deal. I think this is probably the biggest fraud in america right now other than evolution. (That is just my two cents). I do love recycling and using renewable energy and sustainable food sources, I just don't know exactly how much man is affecting global temperatures.

I don't think he is much. I think man caused catastrophic change is nonsense. But I have no issue with looking at ways to help us prepare for any change that will occur. And working towards cleaner energy is always good as long as it is reasonable and doesn't cause costs to skyrocket or create other issues.
 
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I don't think he is much. I think man caused catastrophic change is nonsense. But I have no issue with looking at ways to help us prepare for any change that will occur. And working towards cleaner energy is always good as long as it is reasonable and doesn't cause costs to skyrocket or create other issues.

yeah, I think people are trying to outlaw fossil fuels, and you can't do so without damaging the economy. If anything just make the coal plants update their emissions, which they may have already done, not sure. Fossil fuels account for 80% of the worlds electricity, hydro accounts for another ten or so and I think clean fuel is like less than 10 or 5%. So it's really in it's infancy and most countries have not got serious about it. But I like that tesla has some good battery cells and if we can get that technology in a cheap fashion that that is good. But people don't know that the process to make batteries is very chemically dirty. There is a city in china or japan that makes batteries for windmills etc, and they are all deformed and have cancer due to the chemicals. Our government would not allow us to make these batteries in the US, so we basically poison the chinese instead. So even clean energy is not clean. We need to do better. We are not even close to providing cheap alternative energy. I think it was germany or somewhere that had manditory solar and wind power, and their power cost went up 60%. You will have to watch the "moral case for fossil fuels I posted earlier for better details" it's been a year or so since I watched it.
 
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The push behind "climate crisis" is enormous and well funded.
It should actually bother you that are making things up - you are effectively bearing false witness.

You have no evidence - at least no credible evidence for this claim.

And it seems to bother you not one whit that you are offering no actual evidence to support this claim.

You will see the same scientific community pronounce "Hunky dory!" over the entire transgender industry (including lowering the age for transition of minor children) before long. They will have to, or get out as have others who weren’t willing to lie.
Unsupported speculation.
 
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yeah, I think people are trying to outlaw fossil fuels, and you can't do so without damaging the economy. If anything just make the coal plants update their emissions, which they may have already done, not sure. Fossil fuels account for 80% of the worlds electricity, hydro accounts for another ten or so and I think clean fuel is like less than 10 or 5%. So it's really in it's infancy and most countries have not got serious about it. But I like that tesla has some good battery cells and if we can get that technology in a cheap fashion that that is good. But people don't know that the process to make batteries is very chemically dirty. There is a city in china or japan that makes batteries for windmills etc, and they are all deformed and have cancer due to the chemicals. Our government would not allow us to make these batteries in the US, so we basically poison the chinese instead. So even clean energy is not clean. We need to do better. We are not even close to providing cheap alternative energy. I think it was germany or somewhere that had manditory solar and wind power, and their power cost went up 60%. You will have to watch the "moral case for fossil fuels I posted earlier for better details" it's been a year or so since I watched it.

And our dear leader President Trump and the GOP are on track to cancel a whole whack of environmental protection regulations.
 
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And our dear leader President Trump and the GOP are on track to cancel a whole whack of environmental protection regulations.
It's time someone stood up to nature.
 
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How do you know this? There are many situations where tiny increases gave devastating effects.

There are not. There is correlation but because the amount in total and in relation to the rest of the atmosphere is infinitesimal, it couldn't be the cause in the first place. Correlation is not causation. In fact it has been demonstrated that carbon dioxide increases and decreases FOLLOW warming and cooling rather than precede them. Thus nothing of a cause could be demonstrated anyway.
 
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There are not. There is correlation but because the amount in total and in relation to the rest of the atmosphere is infinitesimal, it couldn't be the cause in the first place. Correlation is not causation. In fact it has been demonstrated that carbon dioxide increases and decreases FOLLOW warming and cooling rather than precede them. Thus nothing of a cause could be demonstrated anyway.
Do you want to learn why carbon dioxide is a powerfull greenhouse gas even though it is only a (relatively) small part of the athmosphere, or do you prefer to not know it?
 
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There are not. There is correlation but because the amount in total and in relation to the rest of the atmosphere is infinitesimal, it couldn't be the cause in the first place. Correlation is not causation. In fact it has been demonstrated that carbon dioxide increases and decreases FOLLOW warming and cooling rather than precede them. Thus nothing of a cause could be demonstrated anyway.
I was not specifically referring to climate change - I was stating something obvious - that there are indeed situations in the world where a tiny disturbance to a system yield significant impacts.
 
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And our dear leader President Trump and the GOP are on track to cancel a whole whack of environmental protection regulations.
Well you have to balance it out. There was a story of a hospital being built in southern california, the project was a donation. The hospital was halted for three deli sand flies. They found 3 little flies and the stopped the project, I am not sure if ever was started again. So it's that stuff He is fighting as far as I am concerned.
 
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Well you have to balance it out. There was a story of a hospital being built in southern california, the project was a donation. The hospital was halted for three deli sand flies. They found 3 little flies and the stopped the project, I am not sure if ever was started again. So it's that stuff He is fighting as far as I am concerned.
The president of the USA is fighting sand flies?

Do you have a link to a news report about that hospital and the flies?
 
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The only one being foolish here is yourself.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...VeaUEZJe-A62s8PpK&ampcf=1&cshid=1579297340823

The atmosphere of Mars is less than 1% than that of earth and it further out from the sun.

Well at least you have admitted it has an atmosphere now.

In spite of the fact that it is farther from the sun, it still warmed at the same rate as earth. And this with an atmosphere that is 94% carbon dioxide. By comparing the two we can see that a planet with an atmosphere almost totally comprised of a so called greenhouse gas did not warm at a higher rate than earth, though it did warm. If carbon dioxide was a factor in warming, mars would have burned up before our eyes. The earth has just .040% carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. that's less than one half of one tenth of a percent of the total atmosphere and that amount represents a one hundredth of a percent increase in recent history of the total amount of our atmosphere. Had this truly had the effect that is claimed, mars would have been a fireball given the amount of C02 in its atnosphere. C02 has absolutely nothing to do with the earth's temperature. There isn't enough of it to cause a temperature increase.
 
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