My latest chart (number 3)

[Douggg]

@ grafted branch

The only exact day(s) I show on my chart are:

the beginning and end of the 7 years - day 1 and day 2520
the day the animal sacrifices begin again - day 220
the day the Abomination of Desolation is setup - day 1185
the day that two witnesses are killed - day 1260
the day that the sixth seal parting of cosmos, and the world seeing Jesus - day 2475
the day that Jesus returns - day 2520

Because we don't have enough information to pinpoint by exact day the other events.

The only intervals I show are:
the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14.
the 1260 days of the two witnesses.
the 1335 days from the Abomination of Desolation setup and Jesus's Return.
the 1290 days from the Abomination of Desolation setup to the sign of Jesus in heaven.
the 45 days that the heathen assemble their armies at Armageddon.
the time, times, half times that Satan will have left (as a note).

I make a note about the Rapture - but it cannot be determined whether it will be before the 7 years begin, or sometime after the 7 years begin.

The first event on the chart is the Little horn - leader of the EU.

 

[grafted branch]

@Douggg

I agree with you about the limited room on the chart. If you did try to put everything on your chart it would become very convoluted and difficult to read. I appreciate all the information you have given about your chart and the time frame of the events. The main question I still have is the reaction people will have to the conditions on earth prior to the coming of the Son of man.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days …

Matthew 24:30b then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

I associate the people not mourning or recognizing anything is wrong until the coming of the Son of man in both 30b and 39 as the same events. Could you give me your view on the statement in 30b “then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn”. Who are all the tribes of the earth and why don’t they mourn until after the tribulation when they see the Son of man coming? Are they a different group of people than those that have the seven trumpets and vials poured out on?

Also one other question I have about this is in Revelation 18:8a which states, concerning Babylon, “Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine”. Is this verse also referring to the same mourning that occurs in Matthew 24:30b?

 

[Douggg]

Matthew 24:30b then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

I associate the people not mourning or recognizing anything is wrong until the coming of the Son of man in both 30b and 39 as the same events. Could you give me your view on the statement in 30b “then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn”.

What you have labeled as 30b is actually 30a on my chart.

I read Matthew 24:30 as taking place in two parts 30a, 30b, separated by 45 days as the armies of the world assemble at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus.

When.... after the tribulation of those days. Note, it does not say after the great tribulation of those days. So the great tribulation is not quiet over.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30a And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, 30b and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

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In verse 29, we are right down to almost the 7 years and great tribulation being over.

The armies of the world will have converged into the middle east to dislodge the beast from power, because imo he will funneling all of the dwindling natural resources to his EU and western base. That part is speculation, because it doesn't say why in the text.

That's what those battles are about in Daniel 11:40-45.

At the peak of their battles with the beast, that is when the Matthew 24:29 event takes place, which is the same as the sixth seal in Revelation 6.

It will be something none of the wicked will be expecting. And it terrify the kings of the earth and the mighty men, all of them on the earth. Because the very powers of the universe will be shakened - pulled back like a scroll and the world is going to see up into the third heaven, with Jesus before the throne of God (Revelation 6:16). Which is this....

30a And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, (I responded to the tribes mourning question, in my post 127 below)

Struck with terror, the kings of the earth, and their armies will stop their fighting, and turn to the beast to save them... which is these verses

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

The decision to band together by the kings of the earth and to gather their armies at Armaggedon, and carrying out the rape of Jerusalem, taking hostages in Zechariah 14:2, is over a 45 day period.

Near the end of the 45 days, the 7th bowl of God's wrath is poured out in these verses


17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Then Jesus descends to earth, with his army, in this verse...

30b and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

To carry out judgment in Revelation 19:17-21. And to bind up Satan in chains, and cast him into the bottomless pit, to be a terror no more. Ending the great tribulation.

 

[tranquil]

@Douggg

I associate the people not mourning or recognizing anything is wrong until the coming of the Son of man in both 30b and 39 as the same events. Could you give me your view on the statement in 30b “then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn”. Who are all the tribes of the earth and why don’t they mourn until after the tribulation when they see the Son of man coming? Are they a different group of people than those that have the seven trumpets and vials poured out on?

Also one other question I have about this is in Revelation 18:8a which states, concerning Babylon, “Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine”. Is this verse also referring to the same mourning that occurs in Matthew 24:30b?

Yes, Revelation 18:8 is referring to the same mourning of Matthew 24:30. In Matt 24:30, the word for mourning (G2875 'kopsantai' mourn/ lament Matthew 24:30 Interlinear: and then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in the heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth smite the breast, and they shall see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of the heaven, with power and much glory; ) is the same as Revelation 18:9 'lament'/ mourn Revelation 18:9 Interlinear: and weep over her, and smite themselves for her, shall the kings of the earth, who with her did commit whoredom and did revel, when they may see the smoke of her burning,

The thing to understand is that in Rev 18, there are 3 sets of woes: at Revelation 18:10, Revelation 18:16, & Revelation 18:19. Then the millstone finishes off Babylon for the 4th time.

1st is the abomination (6th Seal, the 'day of the Lord's wrath starts due to the worshiping of the idol)
45 days later
1st woe ( = start of the Trumpets. 1-4, start of the 5th Trumpet
5 months later
2nd woe ( = start of the 6th Trumpet
at the end of the 2 witnesses 1260 days + 3.5 days
then the 3rd woe. (= start of the 7th Trumpet, start of the kingdom of heaven & Matthew 25's 10 virgins.

Each woe is the start of the mark of the beast. The idol 1st, then Mystery Babylon is taken over by idol worship, 3 times. (that's why there is the 1/3 description at Trumpets 1-4, & the 6th Trumpet.

These 3 woes correspond to the 3 Harvests. I thought this info was interesting: The 3-fold Harvest

 

[Marilyn C]

@ grafted branch

The only exact day(s) I show on my chart are:

the beginning and end of the 7 years - day 1 and day 2520
the day the animal sacrifices begin again - day 220
the day the Abomination of Desolation is setup - day 1185
the day that two witnesses are killed - day 1260
the day that the sixth seal parting of cosmos, and the world seeing Jesus - day 2475
the day that Jesus returns - day 2520

Hi Douggg,

I agree concerning 220 & 2,300 days = 2520 days, (7 years). Great.

However I would encourage you to have another look at the time of the A/D for that is where I see your calculations are wrong. The A/D is set up in the Middle of the week, and you have it 75 days earlier. that is too long for `the middle.` I see that you have done that to accommodate the 75 days after 1,260 days of the A/C ruling. It is much simpler than you have written. Do you think you could have a look at how it would turn out if you placed the 1,335 days from the middle of the week at 1,260, then 1,290, then 1,335 days.

Remember that God`s word says they are blessed to have reached the 1,335 days & certainly many people around when the Lord returns are not blessed for they will be judged. (Dan. 12: 12)

 

[Douggg]

However I would encourage you to have another look at the time of the A/D for that is where I see your calculations are wrong. The A/D is set up in the Middle of the week, and you have it 75 days earlier. that is too long for `the middle.`

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The way the KJV reads - it is midst of the week, not on the exact midpoint. Day 1185 is in the midst of the week, i.e. in the middle part. midst of the week is not an exact day term. So day 1185 still meets the midst of the week criteria.

If a person said to their kids playing in the street, "hey get out of the middle of the road", the complaint was not they were standing on the exact mid-point playing, if measured curb to curb, but they were playing in the street.

Different from being in the middle part of the week for the AoD setup, on my chart, I show the two witnesses being killed on the exact midpoint of day 1260, and annotated it as "the exact midpoint", because their time of testimony is said to be exactly 1260 days - a precise to the day expression.

The two witnesses are killed by the beast, so the person has to have become the beast before then, and the AoD made as the reason that they are battling with him, to give cover for the Jews to flee into the wilderness - which is Revelation 12:6 the woman has fled into the wilderness during that 1260 days.

* Differently, from being a precise to the day expression of 1260 days, the 42 months in the way it is used in Revelation is not exactly 1260 days. Instead, the 42 months actually represents the 1256.5 days that the beast will rule after the two witnesses will have left the world, to no longer be an impediment to his rule. (1260 days + 3 1/2 days + 1256.5 days (the 42 months) = 2520 days.

I see that you have done that to accommodate the 75 days after 1,260 days of the A/C ruling. It is much simpler than you have written

No, that is not the reason for the 75 days on the chart. The 75 days is the interval between the AoD is setup (day 1185) and the two witnesses killed (day 1260). During the 75 days the two witnesses will be calling down plagues on the earth, giving cover for the Jews to flee into the wilderness.

The beast (no longer the Antichrist) rules for 42 months. It doesn't say 1260 days in Revelation 13:5 for the reason I gave above *.

That the 1260 days, the 42 months, the time, times, half time are all three given in Revelation is not to keep the text from becoming boring to read. It is because there is actually a few days difference in application between the three. The three are not exact equals in terms of days, as so many are tempted to do the conversion thinking it is rationale to all three represent 1260 days.

Remember that God`s word says they are blessed to have reached the 1,335 days & certainly many people around when the Lord returns are not blessed for they will be judged. (Dan. 12: 12)

I have the 1335 days ending on the day Jesus returns to end the great tribulation, and to rescue them in Jerusalem in Zechariah 14:1-5, as He splits the Mt. of Olives in half.

Them receiving judgments on that day, the day that Jesus returns, day 2520, will be the false prophet, the beast, Satan, and the kings of the earth and their armies.

Psalms 110 - speaking of Jesus.

4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.

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The AoD will also be bunt up on that day, to expose Satan who will have been incarnating it receiving worship, for the whole world to see him, there on the temple mount, directly across from the Mt. of Olives.

Ezekiel 28:
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground,[Revelation 12:7-9] I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. [the AoD statue image will be burnt up]

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: [them who will have been worshiping the image of the beast living statue, will be astonished when they see what actually made it appear to have come to life and speak] thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Satan will never have a kingdom again, like Mystery Babylon the Great, and a horde of rebellious angels under his command, wreaking havoc over the nations causing wars between the nations.

After the thousand years,Satan will have one last go at deceiving the nations to try and destroy the camp of the saints - i.e. Israel. But he will never again have command over an army of rebellious angels and demons. Nor cause the nations to go to war against one another.

 

[Douggg]

Also one other question I have about this is in Revelation 18:8a which states, concerning Babylon, “Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine”. Is this verse also referring to the same mourning that occurs in Matthew 24:30b?

No, it is not.

Revelation 18 that great city is not an actual literal earthly city. It is a description using a great city that falls suddenly as an example of what will happen to Satan's kingdom when God begins dismantling it.

Satan's kingdom will quickly come crashing to earth when the war in the second heaven happens in the middle of the 7 years, when the 7th angel sounds his trumpet.
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Differently, in Matthew 24:30a, the tribes of the earth mourn when they see Jesus in heaven, it will be for a multitude of different reasons.

(1) to the wicked, it will be mournful sound coming from them knowing impending destruction is at hand.

(2) to the saved on earth during that time, it will be mournful sound coming from them because Jesus's garments will drenched in the blood of the martyrs, and they will be lamenting over their deaths.

(3) to the Jews, it will be a mournful sound coming from them, that although they will have turned to Jesus during the great tribulation, when they see him it will be a reminder of how they treated Jesus, mocking him, debasing him, rejecting him no matter how hard people tried to get them to believe, during the past 2000 years.

 

[Douggg]

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Hi Marilyn,

On your chart, you have the temple cleansed 30 days after Jesus has returned. I think you may be doing that to make the 1290 days work (?)

What criteria are using for "cleansed" ?

To me, cleansed means removal of those things that will have made it desolate. Namely,

1. the beast
2. the false prophet
3. the AoD image, incarnated by Satan.

I don't see those three allowed to remain in the temple, 30 days after Jesus returns. Instead, in my view all three are going to be removed the day Jesus descends down to earth.

 

[Douggg]

The thing to understand is that in Rev 18, there are 3 sets of woes: at Revelation 18:10, Revelation 18:16, & Revelation 18:19. Then the millstone finishes off Babylon for the 4th time.

Three sets of two woe's. In the KJV, it is Alas, alas. A saying of a feeling of substantial loss, lamenting over.

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

 

[Marilyn C]

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The two witnesses are killed by the beast, so the person has to have become the beast before then, and the AoD made as the reason that they are battling with him, to give cover for the Jews to flee into the wilderness - which is Revelation 12:6 the woman has fled into the wilderness during that 1260 days.

Hi Douggg,

The 2 witnesses are in the second part of the trib. You are not reading scripture correctly.

`And they (Gentiles) will tread the holy city for 42 months. AND I will give power to my 2 witnesses and they will prophecy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.` (Rev. 11: 2 & 3)

One is related to the other. Both in the second part of the trib.

Note NOT ALL Jews flee to the wilderness, ONLY the one third that will be saved. The rest are throughout Israel.

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn,

On your chart, you have the temple cleansed 30 days after Jesus has returned. I think you may be doing that to make the 1290 days work (?)

What criteria are using for "cleansed" ?

To me, cleansed means removal of those things that will have made it desolate. Namely,

1. the beast
2. the false prophet
3. the AoD image, incarnated by Satan.

I don't see those three allowed to remain in the temple, 30 days after Jesus returns. Instead, in my view all three are going to be removed the day Jesus descends down to earth.

Hi Douggg,

Now after the Lord returns to earth on the Mount of Olives He does quite a few things -

1. The Lord destroys the world`s armies. (Zech. 14: 12)
2. The Lord goes across the valley to Jerusalem and presents Himself to the house of David and those in Jerusalem. By God`s Holy Spirit they come to realise who He is, their Messiah. (Zech. 12: 10)
3. They enter a time of mourning. (Zech. 12: 10 - 14)
4. The Lord judges the nations of the world. (Matt. 25: 31 & 32 etc)
5. The Lord anoints a man called David to be Israel`s king regent. (Jer. 30: 9 & Ez. 37: 24) Also the Lord will appoint priests. (Isa. 66: 21)
6. Fresh pure water has been flowing out from the Mount of Olives that split. That will be used by the priests to cleanse the temple and the utensils.

It is the sanctuary that is to be cleansed.

`For 2,300 days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed.` (Dan. 8: 14)

 

[keras]

It is the sanctuary that is to be cleansed.

`For 2,300 days; then the sanctuary shall be cleansed.` (Dan. 8: 14)

It is clear from Daniel 8:1-8, that the 2300 evenings and mornings were fulfilled circa 167-164 BC by Antiochus 4th.

Then; 1 Maccabees 4:36-51 describes the cleansing and re-dedication of the Temple. We are not told exactly how long this took, but judging from the list of things they did, it would easily have been 30 days.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

Now after the Lord returns to earth on the Mount of Olives He does quite a few things -
1. The Lord destroys the world`s armies. (Zech. 14: 12)

In Revelation 19, what does Jesus do before the armies are destroyed, in Revelation 19:21?
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

The 2 witnesses are in the second part of the trib. You are not reading scripture correctly.

`And they (Gentiles) will tread the holy city for 42 months. AND I will give power to my 2 witnesses and they will prophecy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.` (Rev. 11: 2 & 3)

One is related to the other. Both in the second part of the trib.

Note NOT ALL Jews flee to the wilderness, ONLY the one third that will be saved. The rest are throughout Israel.

One is related to the other, yes. But not concurrently. The 42 months will follow the 1260 days of the two witnesses.

The 1260 days of the two witnesses precede the sounding of the 7th angel - right? in Revelation 11:15.

In Revelation 8:13, the 7th angel is associated with the third woe. What the third woe will be is in Revelation 12:12, which also follow the 1260 days there in Revelation 12:6. The third woe is the time, times, half times that Satan will have left when his cast down to earth.

1260 days of the two witnesses - then the 7th angel sounds - then the war in the second heaven - then the time, times, half time of the third woe.

As soon as the person becomes the Antichrist, the
1260 days of the two witnesses in Revelation 11 (concurrent with Revelation 12:6) begin.

They prophesy of what is about to take place, warning the Jews about the betrayal by the Antichrist.

In the middle part of the week, still in the first half, he commits the ToD act.
God is angered by it and has him killed.

Then in disdain for him because of his betrayal to his people and the holy covenant made with them, God brings him back to life, the strong delusion that God sends to them who will have believed his outlandish claim of having achieved God-hood.

(The head on the beast that appeared mortally wounded but has been healed in Revelation 13.)

The false prophet then has the people of the world make a statue image of the slain but come back to life beast - the image still inanimate at this point.

And places the statue image in the temple holy place. Desecrating the temple.

The aod setup on day 1185, near the end of the 1260 days, and in the middle part of the 7 years, 1335 days before Jesus returns.

Seeing the aod placed in the temple, the Jews begin to flee, as the two witnesses battle the beast.

That lasts 75 days until the exact midpoint, and on day 1260 the beast kills them.

When the two witnesses are killed, the people of the world rejoice, and say "who can make war with the beast?" in their exhuberance.

3 1/2 days later, into the second half, the two witnesses ascend, leaving this world.
leaving 42 months that the beast can rule freely, with his armies occupying Jerusalem during that 42 months (Revelation 11:2), enforcing his will. (Note, that although the 1260 days of the two witnesses are presented in length in Revelation 11, nothing is said about the 42 months in Revelation 11 other than the gentiles will occupy the city, i.e. called the outer court.)

As soon as the witnesses ascend, there is a great earthquake. Sending a temporary fear into them left in the city.

Next the 7th angel sounds, and during his days the mystery of God shall be finished, to bring the Kingdom of God to be the ruling Kingdom here on earth over the nations. Revelation 10:7.

God takes His power and asserts it to destroy Satan's hold over the nations of the world. And begins dismantling Satan's kingdom of Mystery Babylon the Great.

There is the war in the second heaven, and Satan and his angels are cast down to earth. Babylon is fallen is fallen from its lofty perch.

Satan comes down in great wrath, woe to the inhabiters of the earth - the third woe. He knows but he has but a little time left. The time, times, half left - remaining in the seven years, after the war in the second heaven, and the 3 1/2 days that two witnesses will have been left dead in the street of Jerusalem.

Cast down to the earth, Satan will enter the lifeless AoD statue image making it come to life, which the world then will be required to worship the image. That goes on during the second half of the 7 years, until Jesus returns to bring the image to ashes, and expose Satan there on the temple mount.

Now whether the AoD statue is inside of the sanctuary building or outside at the entry in the courtyard, at the time that Jesus returns, in plain site of everyone is not stated. I tend think in the courtyard, because when the image is brought to ashes - Satan will be exposed there on the temple mount - and to the shock and dismay of the millions in the armies that will have surrounded the temple all around - right before Jesus pronounced judgment on them and they fall dead with the plague described in Zechariah 14:12.

 

[Marilyn C]

It is clear from Daniel 8:1-8, that the 2300 evenings and mornings were fulfilled circa 167-164 BC by Antiochus 4th.

Then; 1 Maccabees 4:36-51 describes the cleansing and re-dedication of the Temple. We are not told exactly how long this took, but judging from the list of things they did, it would easily have been 30 days.

Sorry you live in the past, bro.

 

[Marilyn C]

In the middle part of the week, still in the first half, he commits the ToD act.
God is angered by it and has him killed.

Then in disdain for him because of his betrayal to his people and the holy covenant made with them, God brings him back to life, the strong delusion that God sends to them who will have believed his outlandish claim of having achieved God-hood.

Hi Douggg,

That is a gross misunderstanding of God`s character.

`...AS IF it had been mortally wounded.` (Rev. 13: 3)

It is a deception by the A/C.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

That is a gross misunderstanding of God`s character.

`...AS IF it had been mortally wounded.` (Rev. 13: 3)

It is a deception by the A/C.

Hi Marilyn,

Here is what I base my narrative on....

2Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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The big lie is when the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to have acheived God-hood in 2Thessalonians2:4.

There will be many who will believe his (the Antichrist's) claim right off the bat.

`...AS IF it had been mortally wounded.` (Rev. 13: 3)

John, in the vision, saw the beast in the healed state. The wording is such that head had not just been wounded but mortally wounded, killed.

The person will not be dead for long, because his body will not be buried, denied of some glorified tomb, like some famous kings have had.

Isaiah 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. [it is talking about some big memorial tombs]

19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

20 Thou shalt not be joined with them [the famous kings of the nations, buried in their fancy tombs] in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

So the person is going to be dead only a few days. His body not buried. But in the observance state. Everything will appear on camera, as the world sees him come back to life.

It will fulfill Revelation 17:8b. "was, and is not, and yet is". was alive (as the revealed man of sin), is killed, and comes back to life (as the beast).

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

[keras]

Sorry you live in the past, bro.

I'm sorry for you, Marylin and Douggg.
Obviously you are like many today; confused and deceived about what God has planned for our future.

Re Daniel 8:1-14, it is plain to anyone with a modicum of historical knowledge, that it refers to ancient Media and Persia, then Alexanders conquest of them. His early death and his empire was split into 4 kingdoms, one of which, A4E; grew powerful and conquered Judah, stopped the offerings and desecrated the Altar by killing a pig on it.
Then, 1150 days later, [2300 evenings and mornings] Judah Maccabees defeated A4E, then cleansed and rededicated the Temple.
This prophecy was 100% fulfilled and is a preview of what will happen again when the Anti-Christ has control of Jerusalem.

Douggg, it would be good for you to try Chart number 4, without the imposition of the 2300 'days' and the wrong positioning of the extra 30 and 75 days.

Marylin, I agree that it isn't God who resurrects the "beast'. Revelation 13:2-3

 

[klutedavid]

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Why do you call the little horn the leader of the EU?

 

[Douggg]

Why do you call the little horn the leader of the EU?

Because the EU is a geographic fit for the prophecies, is a powerful union of nations formed in the end times, that has the size and military strength to carry out the will of the person, when he later become the beast.

1. He comes from the people who destroyed the city and sanctuary (temple) in Daniel 9:26.

2. He is leader of the fourth kingdom in the end times, when the ten kings come to power. Daniel 7:23-24.

3. He heads toward Israel, from a direction north and west of Israel with a strong army. Daniel 8:9

4. He stands up (an idiom, for gets ready to go to war), when the ten kings have come to power in their kingdom (singular) in Daniel 8:23, when the transgressors have come to a full, i.e.their full number.

5. He is the 7th king, the one who is yet to come, of the series of seven kings in Revelation 17:10. The sixth king ruling at the time of John was king of the Roman Empire. The 7th king will be of that ruling set of kings.

6. The ten kings that the little horn will come up among are the ten toes of Daniel 2, of clay and iron, to be in power when Jesus returns to bring the kingdom of God to be the ruling kingdom over the nations

The little horn person will be the 7th king of the Roman Empire of that family of kings. The family of the kings is the Julio-Claudian family. Whether his name will contain Caesar or not, or whether it is a just an indication of the type of power he will have, or both is not known.

When he comes to power as the little horn, it appears to be by consent, i.e. some democratic process. Later, once he becomes the beast, the 8th king of that series of 7 kings (having been the 7th), the ten kings hand their kingdom over to him - essentially making him dictator of the EU.