What About Dinosaurs?

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I am sorry you [think] the bible is a bunch
of fables,

I never said that. But fable is certainly one of the several literary traditions of the Bible.

and makes untrue stretched statements.

Truths, particularly spiritual truths, can be effectively taught by fictional stories --- it was a favourite technique of Jesus himself.
 
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But fable is certainly one of the several literary traditions of the Bible.
I get what you are saying, but fable is the wrong word. In the Bible, parables are still based on a truth. Fables are not.
 
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I get what you are saying, but fable is the wrong word. In the Bible, parables are still based on a truth. Fables are not.

Even Aesop's fables were truth based. Exaggeration is used to make a point and to make it in a memorial way. The Book of Jonah is memorial in that way. I'll bet that most have no inkling what the spiritual lesson is.
 
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Nice dodge, but it's still comes down to you saying we must take Genesis literally, but we must not take Corinthians literally. 180 degrees off, says I.

No dodge, this is what the majority of protestant churches believe. It's also what I believe.
Of course I take Corinthians literally, would be helpful if you added what verse you are talking about.
 
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One reason I believe but have some doubt about the bible is because man found dinosaur fossils and other things that confirm the Earth is older than the bible says. So if the bible is true, why doesn't it mention Dinosaurs? If it's true, then why does it say the earth is only thousands of years old?
Behemoth, Leviathon and giants are mentioned. If one does not accept Genesis literally, than that opens the door for doubt about the rest of the Bible.
Creation occurred in SIX 24-hour days. Animals, insects, plants, fish, all living things with man on sixth day.
Since life before the Fall was biologically perfect, when sin entered into man and all the eco system, a distortion occurred. Mutations (defects) began to accumulate but slowly. It has been an accepted theory that the environment was lush and tropical environment with a water canopy that protected all living things from the suns harmful rays. So with man and beast, lifespans of 1000 years were possible. Lizards do not stop growing, hense huge animals/giants, walked the earth.
 
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Good try but no. The hippopotamus is what evolutionists try and pass it off for when it's quite obviously not a hippo. Verse 17 Its tail sways like a cedar.
hippopotamus tail
hipotail.jpg

cedar tree
cedar.jpg

This creature had a huge swinging tail because it's a dinosaur.
 
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Well obviously that was the Readers Digest version, to make a point.
Your point seemed to be that the Bible is backed by science (at least creation from nothing?) and therefore not a myth. But science does not support the rest of it. So your point fails.
 
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Watch this video.


Are you being serious? That dude is a total hack job. Please don't post videos of Ken Ham if you want (intelligent) people to take you seriously

Hi steppinrazor,

That's not really the truth. God created the day and the night. Now, man didn't identify that time of a complete day and night as 24 hrs. for quite a bit longer, but God created the conception of a day.

Personally, I agree with jacksbratt, because I know first of all the power and majesty of God and I fully believe that His Scriptures are intended to tell us a complete history of the created universe in which we live. Would I call it a science book? No. Would I call it true in what it tells me even though it's not a science book? Yes!!

God claims, in His word, to know the end from the beginning. He is the Alpha and the Omega. He creates things that are not, to be. Out of nothing! He doesn't need some infinitesimally small 'point' of great energy to explode to be what we see all around us. He merely need speak His desire that a thing exist and it does.

His word also tells us that God is all knowing. So, here again, I agree with jacksbratt. God knew on the day that He stepped into this black inky emptiness and proclaimed, "Let there be light!", that the day would come when His created beings would question His truth. He knew it as sure as He knows anything else. So, I fully and faithfully believe that as God was leading Moses to write down His truth of how all things came to be, He specifically and purposefully had Moses to write down for each day, "and there was evening and there was morning" of that day.

He did that so that His children could discern the truth in this argument of how long one of the creation days were in the day that God created the heavens and the earth and all that is in them. Knowing full well that this day, today, would come to His children. Just as any good father prepares his children for the future, God also has prepared His children for the future.

I fully and faithfully believe that there was a real purpose for God listing off the genealogies of Adam with the specific years of each father's life until that father had a specific son. God could have just had Moses write down the genealogies just as Matthew did in the gospel account. That this father begat that son and so forth on down the line until we come to Noah and then Abraham...but He didn't. Because I believe that God is wiser than I will ever hope to imagine to be, I believe that there is very, very little contained in God's word that is not exactly how He wanted it to be said. Just as Jesus proclaimed that God gave him his words to speak, I also believe that God gave Moses the very words to write.

This idea does find some support when we look into the new studies being done in letter sequencing in the Tanakh. The thinking being that the only way we could find the equidistant letter sequencing that seems to spell out so many words describing earthly events, is that God actually gave Moses the very words to write in his account of all that God had him to declare to us about God. The effect doesn't appear to work well in any other written material as it does in the Tanakh.

My understanding is that God wrote a book and that book is perfect. It is not only perfect in its foundational truth, but it is also perfect in 'how' that truth is revealed to us.

God wrote a book. In that book He describes how He created all that is in this realm of our existence in six days. Each one consisting of an evening and a morning. That pretty much denies that the period God was calling a day, could be some long age of many days. Then His book tells us that on the sixth of those days, He created man. Then He accounts for us the number of years that passed from the day that first man was created, through to Abraham. He then even gives us an accounting of days beyond Abraham as His word also gives us the years of life that a specific line of His people lived up until Joshua carries the people of God into the land of promise.

Now, I full understand that many deny these facts to be as I believe them to be. However, I also know that throughout the history of God's dealing with mankind, there has always been this tension between those who believe God and those who claim to. Judaism began with a man by the name of Abram of Ur, and yet by the time his descendants were carried out on the wings of an eagle by God, most didn't actually believe God. When the 12 spies went to look over the land, 10 of the 12 came back with fearful reports. Not believing that God really had the power to do what He had said that He would do. For that sin, the entire nation, over 20 years old at the time, died in the wilderness.

This no different. God wrote a book and He asks us to believe Him even in the face of doubt and fear and the many other theories of man as to how we got to be where we are in this the 2020th year after our Lord and Savior visited us. I'm standing with God and I find plenty of evidence that He insinuated into His account to support that belief. There's good reason that the Scriptures don't just tell us that on the first day God created some things and thus ended that first day. For me, there's good reason that the genealogies in Genesis are not listed in the same manner that Matthew listed them.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

Good evening Ted. Thank you for typing out such a brilliant discourse in this subject. I thoroughly enjoyed reading your thoughts. With this I want you to know that I appreciate and respect your opinion. It is truly great to read people's thoughts when they spell it out, as you have done, and not just simply post a video or copy and paste a few passages of scripture.

With that said, I think that one can believe the Bible whole heatedly while also understanding that the Bible was written by man and inspired by God. The book is open to interpretation and in my humble opinion, I think that is ok. I think (and know through courses, studying, and field work) that the earth is easily older than ...lets say....6000 years old. The Bible does provide that God created each stage of the universe and our planet through a series of days, but I think one needs to take into account the translation of the word "day" from it's original transcriptions.

Don't let me change your mind. I am just a man looking to love my God with all my heart and mind and soul and I live to glorify him in all things, even in the creation of the earth. I think the earth was created over millions and millions of years and it is a beautiful process created by God.

At the end of the day, this is a great place for people to share ideas and learn how everyone thinks and feel about subjects. We should all remember that we share a family in God and that we are all members of that family. Let's do our best to support each other and lift each other up, especially when we don't agree on complex and touchy subjects. One day we will know...we will be able to stand before our God and our Savior and ask some of these tough questions. Until then we can respect each others opinions and take joy in the fact that God created us each so differently!
 
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One reason I believe but have some doubt about the bible is because man found dinosaur fossils and other things that confirm the Earth is older than the bible says. So if the bible is true, why doesn't it mention Dinosaurs? If it's true, then why does it say the earth is only thousands of years old?

Finding an animal fossil does not prove the age of the earth. Fossils prove that an animal died and got buried very quickly in mud and turned to fossil. Fossils do not take millions of years to form. Dinosaurs are simply extinct animals, same as anything else.

The Bible certainly mentions Dinosaurs.
Genesis
21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it
24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”

Job 7:12
12 Am I the sea, or the monster of the deep,
that you put me under guard?

Psalm 148

7 Praise the Lord from the earth,
you great sea creatures and all ocean depths,
Jer. 51:34
Like a serpent he has swallowed us
and filled his stomach with our delicacies,
and then has spewed us out.

Job 40
“Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17 Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.
18 Its bones are tubes of bronze,
its limbs like rods of iron.
19 It ranks first among the works of God,
yet its Maker can approach it with his sword.
20 The hills bring it their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.
21 Under the lotus plants it lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.
22 The lotuses conceal it in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround it.
23 A raging river does not alarm it;
it is secure, though the Jordan should surge against its mouth.
24 Can anyone capture it by the eyes,
or trap it and pierce its nose?

Job 41
“Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down its tongue with a rope?
2 Can you put a cord through its nose
or pierce its jaw with a hook?
3 Will it keep begging you for mercy?
Will it speak to you with gentle words?
4 Will it make an agreement with you
for you to take it as your slave for life?
5 Can you make a pet of it like a bird
or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?
6 Will traders barter for it?
Will they divide it up among the merchants?
7 Can you fill its hide with harpoons
or its head with fishing spears?
8 If you lay a hand on it,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!
9 Any hope of subduing it is false;
the mere sight of it is overpowering.
 
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Are you being serious? That dude is a total hack job. Please don't post videos of Ken Ham if you want (intelligent) people to take you seriously

Is this a board rule or your rule? If the ruling is 'anything I find foolish is not allowed' then it stands to reason that we can also use this ruling. Since I deem evolution to be a delusion please don't post to any evolutionary article or video hack job, thanks.
 
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I doubt that worldwide, the majority of protestants are creationists. Maybe in the US, but probably nowhere else.

The question wasn't about creation, might want to go back a page. The question was about communion and if it really turns into Christ's literal blood and body!
 
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Are you being serious? That dude is a total hack job. Please don't post videos of Ken Ham if you want (intelligent) people to take you seriously

You are going to have to do better than that. You have to actually post reasons why you think Ken Ham is such a horrible source of information on this topic. I don’t care much for those who appear to be intelligent and yet they don’t know God (i.e. secular scientists). They may know unproven Historical Science but that does not mean they know the Bible correctly and Observational Science that backs it up. Here are some evidences that back up God’s Word:

Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God
 
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You are going to have to do better than that. You have to actually post reasons why you think Ken Ham is such a horrible source of information on this topic. I don’t care much for those who appear to be intelligent and yet they don’t know God (i.e. secular scientists). They may know unproven Historical Science but that does not mean they know the Bible correctly and Observational Science that backs it up. Here are some evidences that back up God’s Word:

Love Branch: Evidences for the Word of God

Well for starters he immediately is pushing his creationists museum. I really dont need to sit here and type out how silly most of his claims are..its just well understood by most people that hes a goofball ans his science is also.

Really, I thought about what I typed above and I think I may have been kinda harsh with the "intellegent" comment, but really...it kinda perplexes me to think that people watch him and believe what he says. It really says a lot about the education system in our country and..really...what we have a president in the office where people still believe everything he says. (NOT trying to be political, but it is a valid example) But if you see what Im saying, people will believe anything...
 
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"Could" and "did" are two different critters, aren't they? Obviously He could have done anything at all, but He didn't do a whole lot of things that He could have had He so desired.

You are right... very much in the capabilities of an all powerful God.

Then... He told us that He did... remember... There was evening, there was morning. the first day.

NOT.... There was evening, there was morning... the first thousand.. or million years.

No, He didn't. That's your inference, which I happen to reject.
Do you also reject the talking snake?
Talking donkey?
Did Naaman have his leprosy cured by washing in the Jordan?
Do you reject the parting of the red sea?

I could go on... but.... rejecting the scripture... which is not even a riddle... it's right there in your face...
 
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Well for starters he immediately is pushing his creationists museum. I really dont need to sit here and type out how silly most of his claims are..its just well understood by most people that hes a goofball ans his science is also.

Really, I thought about what I typed above and I think I may have been kinda harsh with the "intellegent" comment, but really...it kinda perplexes me to think that people watch him and believe what he says. It really says a lot about the education system in our country and..really...what we have a president in the office where people still believe everything he says. (NOT trying to be political, but it is a valid example) But if you see what Im saying, people will believe anything...

Churches push their churches.
They need to eat and yet also serve God in what they feel called to do.

The Bible is the basis for his arguments, so are you saying that interpreting young creation out of the Bible is silly?
 
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Is this literally the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ?

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If you say no, then you have absolutely no right to say what you've said in your post above.

-CryptoLutheran
When Christ says "This is my body" and breaks the bread... Did it become His body then?
When Christ says "This is my blood" when He dipped the bread in the wine.. did it become blood?

No. Understanding when something is used as a symbol.... is not that hard.

There is no "Symbol" in Genesis 1... Its pure and simple fact.

Anyway... arguing over the emblems of the Lords supper.. is not the idea of an atheist.

Its an argument among believers. Just like pre trib mid trib and such.. or who the "one who restrains" is. Or are the two witnesses going to be "Moses and Elija" or "Elija and Enoch?"
 
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Well, you have your opinion and I have mine. Thats what makes this country great!
Whoa... don't go stating that you want to "Make America Great Again".... you could get jumped and beaten.

I agree.. you have your opinion.... I have mine.... that's our right.
 
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