You did not chose Me, I chose you.

[bobsmename]

Agreed. But that does not mean your view of "sin and salvation" is not a contradiction. For you said that no saved believer will rape or commit child abuse or deny Christ, and yet you also say that believers can break other aspects of the Moral Law and still be saved. This is troublesome because God does condemn those who break the Moral Law within His Word.

Let me give you some good advice. You keep saying certain sin will not bar you from heaven but other sin will. Then you berate me for saying the same thing. It don't look good for your street cred

 

[BNR32FAN]

Does the Greek help? Can the Holy Spirit not work through English translations to show us what He wants us to see in scripture?

Does every Christian agree on scriptural interpretation? Will only one denomination be saved? It’s no secret that the doctrine of eternal security was formulated in the 16th century and had no early church writings to back it up. So it’s pretty obvious that even those who possess the Holy Spirit will error in their beliefs. What we’re trying to learn from the scriptures is what did Jesus and the apostles actually teach? The New Testament was written in Greek. It helps a lot to understand the Greek words and definitions in order to get a better idea of the message the authors were trying to convey since that is the language they were using. Many Greek words cannot be correctly translated into English with a single word translation. In any case the point still stands that while God may desire that Jesus would lose none just as He desires for all men to be saved it simply won’t happen which is why Jesus told His 11 faithful apostles to remain in Him. He wouldn’t have said that if they were incapable of failing to remain in Him.

 

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Its kinda impossible to give God all the glory if you want to take some of the credit for attaining to Heaven, through whatever way that is

We do not give the glory to God when we sin, but we give glory to God by our good works.

"Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 5:16).

 

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Its kinda impossible to give God all the glory if you want to take some of the credit for attaining to Heaven, through whatever way that is

Also, I believe God does the good work through me (Philippians 2:13) (John 15:5). So there would be no boasting in myself but only boast in the Lord. For only God alone is good (Matthew 19:17). I am nothing. Christ is everything.

 

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Let me give you some good advice. You keep saying certain sin will not bar you from heaven but other sin will. Then you berate me for saying the same thing. It don't look good for your street cred

Again, I did not write the Bible. God did. If you have a problem with the "sin not unto death" or the commands that are not attached with hell fire and condemnation, while other commands are attached with such warnings, then take it up with God and not me.

 

[bobsmename]

Does every Christian agree on scriptural interpretation? Will only one denomination be saved? It’s no secret that the doctrine of eternal security was formulated in the 16th century and had no early church writings to back it up. So it’s pretty obvious that even those who possess the Holy Spirit will error in their beliefs. What we’re trying to learn from the scriptures is what did Jesus and the apostles actually teach? The New Testament was written in Greek. It helps a lot to understand the Greek words and definitions in order to get a better idea of the message the authors were trying to convey since that is the language they were using. Many Greek words cannot be correctly translated into English with a single word translation. In any case the point still stands that while God may desire that Jesus would lose none just as He desires for all men to be saved it simply won’t happen which is why Jesus told His 11 faithful apostles to remain in Him. He wouldn’t have said that if they were incapable of failing to remain in Him.

I remember sitting on the edge of my bed as a teenager deep in thought, roughly three billion people reckoned to believe in God, two billion of them in Christianity, many with differing beliefs. And I reckon most were smarter than me. Who was I in the grand scheme of things I thought. So I did the only thing I could do, I got down on my knees and asked God to show me the truth of scripture through the Holy Spirit, for the bible tells us he leads believers into truth. And I trusted God for it. Doesn't mean I know everything, far from it, but I would prefer to trust that way that in turning to the greek, Hebrew or Aramaic.
Once again, you have to read the bible as one cohesive whole.
BTW
I ONLY met one person who read the greek who understood Paul's message of grace, sorry

 

[bobsmename]

Also, I believe God does the good work through me (Philippians 2:12) (John 15:5). So there would be no boasting in myself but only boast in the Lord. For only God alone is good (Matthew 19:17). I am nothing. Christ is everything.

So God keeps you faithful to him, he ensures you last the course, he makes sure you stand, he makes sure you overcome, it is all of him and nothing of you. I mean this sincerely, if that is what you belieive, wonderful. God has all the glory

 

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So God keeps you faithful to him, he ensures you last the course, he makes sure you stand, he makes sure you overcome, it is all of him and nothing of you. I mean this sincerely, if that is what you belieive, wonderful

The Perseverance of the Saints taken from Calvinism is not biblical.

We are told:

“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).

"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).

"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).​

We are told to:

1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).
   
   
2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).
   
   
3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

It's illogical for God to tell us to do these things within His Word if they are all automatic as a part of being a believer in Jesus.

 

[bobsmename]

The Perseverance of the Saints within Calvinism is not biblical.

Why mention calvanism, never been to any of their churches

 

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Anyways, I am taking a break for a while from this thread. I have other things I gotta do today.

May God's love shine upon you all today.

With loving kindness in Christ,

Sincerely,

~ J.

 

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Why mention calvanism, never been to any of their churches

I believe Calvinism (which is taken from St. Augustine) had bled into the other churches who do not hold to all 5 points of Calvinism. So we see subtle acceptance of Calvinism by non-Calvinistic churches (Which is really Augustine-ism). In my view: Eternal Security is Crypto Calvinism (i.e. It's a subtle version of Calvinism in disguise, i.e. the Perseverance of the Saints).

 

[bobsmename]

The Perseverance of the Saints taken from Calvinism is not biblical.

We are told:

“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).

"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).

"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).​

We are told to:

1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).
   
   
2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).
   
   
3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

It's illogical for God to tell us to do these things within His Word if they are all automatic as a part of being a believer in Jesus.

I take it then you cannot give God all the glory, pity

 

[renniks]

The Perseverance of the Saints taken from Calvinism is not biblical.

We are told:

“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).

"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).

"...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).​

We are told to:

1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).
   
   
2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).
   
   
3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

It's illogical for God to tell us to do these things within His Word if they are all automatic as a part of being a believer in Jesus.

We agree on something. It's possible to fall from the faith. Just keep in mind that one way to fall is a salvation of works, which describes just about every other religion.

 

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I take it then you cannot give God all the glory, pity

*Cough*

Matthew 5:16.

Please read it.

Also, again, check out Philippians 2:13, and John 15:5.
I believe these two verses just fine. So your accusation is false.

 

[bobsmename]

*Cough*

Matthew 5:16.

Please read it.

Also, again, I believe Philippians 2:13, and John 15:5 just fine.

seems to me that if you love God and want to be with him through Christ more than anything else in this world, and you see your own powerlessness and weakness, you can ask him to keep you faithful to the end so your hearts desire may be realised. And because you love God you ask his power in you to overcome and be your strength for whatever arises. And if you love God enough, you will rejoice in him having the glory for all he does in you, knowing it is nothing of self and all of him.

 

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We agree on something. It's possible to fall from the faith. Just keep in mind that one way to fall is a salvation of works, which describes just about every other religion.

Guilt by association is not always true. Catholics believe in the Trinity, that does not mean the Trinity is false. Other religions have one God like Christianity. That does not mean Christianity is false because many other religions have one God, too. Try to carefully and slowly read Titus 1:16, Matthew 25:30, Romans 8:13, Matthew 19:17-19, Luke 10:25-28, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, and James 2:24 some time.

 

[bobsmename]

Of course, you cant really love God as He wants you to love him if you think you have to perform nigh on perfect or be cast into hell.

 

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seems to me that if you love God and want to be with him through Christ more than anything else in this world, and you see your own powerlessness and weakness, you can ask him to keep you faithful to the end so your hearts desire may be realised. And because you love God you ask his power in you to overcome and be your strength for whatever arises. And if you love God enough, you will rejoice in him having the glory for all he does in you, knowing it is nothing of self and all of him.

Seems to me that if somebody truly loves Jesus, they will keep His commandments just as Jesus said in John 14:15.

 

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Okay. I am taking a break from the thread now.

May God's goodness be upon you all in the Lord.

 

[bobsmename]

Seems to me that if somebody truly loves Jesus, they will keep His commandments just as Jesus said in John 14:15.

So as you do not even try to obey many of Christ's commandments, what does that say about you?