Standing for money

[Sabertooth]

Do a bible search of the terms money, mammon. You can get a pretty good idea what God thinks about it.

Include "talents" & "minas" in that search.

 

[AvisG]

Keep in mind that most of money is being used to fuel the most wicked and evil organizations on Earth.

It's been like that since the time of Jesus. Thus if you love money, you therefore hate God (regardless of what you say about God).

This is probably the reason why Jesus did not make money come out of the ground to help the poor.

I'm NOT saying we should give up our money or quit our jobs. But it is where we spend our money which makes a difference whether we help the kingdom of the Devil or the Kingdom of God.

There is no magical formula to make a worldly spending habit become a Godly activity. It only shows you don't love God - as the Bible says.

Many Christians think it can. They are standing up for money because the Bible says no thing.

Many Christians would tell me to mind my own business at this point. But the Bible cannot be silenced in this matter.

Think twice if you choose to defend money in this topic or make fun / slander this thread. Especially if you are a Christian and claim to follow the ways of Christ.

I'll repeat what I said on another thread (to deafening silence):

The reality is, Money is God. This is as true within supposed Christianity as in other religions and the secular world. For 98.7% of all people (a guesstimate, but probably quite close), Money is God. Money is what is actually worshipped. You can explain a great deal of what you observe within Christianity and elsewhere if you will simply keep in mind "Money is God." This is true at all levels, from denominations to churches to individuals. It is true of people with vast wealth and little wealth: Money is God.

There is no moral or ethical value that 98.7% of people will not compromise for sufficient money. 98.7% of people do not really, deep down, believe that God is God; hence, they hedge their bets by paying lip service to the God they hope exists while really worshipping Money, the unquestioned God of the world in which they now live.

This being the reality - and it is - 98.7% of people will find some creative way to justify their worship of money, their real God. They will cherry-pick Bible verses, assure you that Jesus was a capitalist, wax poetic about all the wonderful Christ-like things that their God Money can do. They will assure you that money for them is merely a tool that facilitates the worship of God and the doing of countless good deeds. The really devious will try to convince you that the Parable of the Talents is actually about investing money. The loudest squawking that "Money is not my God!" is, of course, by those who for whom there really is no other God except money.

Certainly, money is not inherently evil, any more than sex or rocks or pudding are inherently evil. But greed for money is one of those things, like lust, that inevitably perverts all that it touches. It is essentially impossible to focus on money without succumbing to its lure and eventually worshipping at its altar.

 

[jacks]

It's simple:
Bad use of Money

Good use of Money

 

[AlexDTX]

@timewerx

You have a legitimate concern, both for the body of Christ and the world. In my post, I linked to a book called, "Honest Money". Download it and read it. It will be well worth your while.

The problem we have in the world is dishonest money. Honest money is limited by real assets. Traditionally gold and silver has been the backing for honest money. It has a limited supply and it is hard to inflate. It can be inflated, of course. Coinsmiths can blend brass in gold coins to produce more "gold" coins for circulation, as an example.

Inflation is fraud and theft. Paper money is the out growth of metal money. A few centuries ago, people carried bags of precious metal coins. That was just as awkward as straightforward trades of 2 goats for 1 cow. Goldsmiths had vaults to keep the precious metals in for safety. Wealthy people began renting vault space to store their gold and silver. In the 18th century a Jewish goldsmith named Mayer Amschel in Frankfurt, Germany realized that he could offer a greater service to his wealthy customers. He had 5 sons who set up shops around Europe where gold and silver was stored. Mayer gave his customers paper receipts and told them they could travel with the receipts - removing the weight of coins, and reducing reason to be robbed - to one of the places his son lived, go to them with the receipt, then exchange it for the gold or silver.

What Mayer discovered was that people then began exchanging the receipts as currency without turning them in for the gold or silver. The gold & silver remained in his vaults. The idea came to him that he could print more receipts than he had precious metals, loan out those receipts at interest, and make a great profit. This was the beginning of both paper money and inflation. The dishonesty of inflation is that the people issuing the inflated currency, before it became known that more money was circulating than assets, is that they can buy real goods at the lower price before the price rises due to the extra currency.

Mayer had a red shield as his logo outside his shop. In German Rothschild means "red shield", so he change his and his sons family name to Rothschild. In the last 2 1/2 centuries, the Rothschild family used inflation to take control of countries by loaning money to national governments. Because they buy before inflation, they have amassed obscene wealth of real goods, corporations, and real estate. This is a picture of British banking tycoon, Baron
Rothschild who owns all the banks listed below his picture. This is the real problem. You probably bank in a Rothschild owned bank.

Rothschild Owned Banks Around the Word
Afghanistan: Bank of Afghanistan
Albania: Bank of Albania
Algeria: Bank of Algeria
Argentina: Central Bank of Argentina
Armenia: Central Bank of Armenia
Aruba: Central Bank of Aruba
Australia: Reserve Bank of Australia
Austria: Austrian National Bank
Azerbaijan: Central Bank of Azerbaijan Republic
Bahamas: Central Bank of The Bahamas
Bahrain: Central Bank of Bahrain
Bangladesh: Bangladesh Bank
Barbados: Central Bank of Barbados
Belarus: National Bank of the Republic of Belarus
Belgium: National Bank of Belgium
Belize: Central Bank of Belize
Benin: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Bermuda: Bermuda Monetary Authority
Bhutan: Royal Monetary Authority of Bhutan
Bolivia: Central Bank of Bolivia
Bosnia: Central Bank of Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana: Bank of Botswana
Brazil: Central Bank of Brazil
Bulgaria: Bulgarian National Bank
Burkina Faso: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Burundi: Bank of the Republic of Burundi
Cambodia: National Bank of Cambodia
Came Roon: Bank of Central African States
Canada: Bank of Canada – Banque du Canada
Cayman Islands: Cayman Islands Monetary Authority
Central African Republic: Bank of Central African States
Chad: Bank of Central African States
Chile: Central Bank of Chile
China: The People’s Bank of China
Colombia: Bank of the Republic
Comoros: Central Bank of Comoros
Congo: Bank of Central African States
Costa Rica: Central Bank of Costa Rica
Côte d’Ivoire: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Croatia: Croatian National Bank
Cuba: Central Bank of Cuba
Cyprus: Central Bank of Cyprus
Czech Republic: Czech National Bank
Denmark: National Bank of Denmark
Dominican Republic: Central Bank of the Dominican Republic
East Caribbean area: Eastern Caribbean Central Bank
Ecuador: Central Bank of Ecuador
Egypt: Central Bank of Egypt
El Salvador: Central Reserve Bank of El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea: Bank of Central African States
Estonia: Bank of Estonia
Ethiopia: National Bank of Ethiopia
European Union: European Central Bank
Fiji: Reserve Bank of Fiji
Finland: Bank of Finland
France: Bank of France
Gabon: Bank of Central African States
The Gambia: Central Bank of The Gambia
Georgia: National Bank of Georgia
Germany: Deutsche Bundesbank
Ghana: Bank of Ghana
Greece: Bank of Greece
Guatemala: Bank of Guatemala
Guinea Bissau: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Guyana: Bank of Guyana
Haiti: Central Bank of Haiti
Honduras: Central Bank of Honduras
Hong Kong: Hong Kong Monetary Authority
Hungary: Magyar Nemzeti Bank
Iceland: Central Bank of Iceland
India: Reserve Bank of India
Indonesia: Bank Indonesia
Iran: The Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Iraq: Central Bank of Iraq
Ireland: Central Bank and Financial Services Authority of Ireland
Israel: Bank of Israel
Italy: Bank of Italy
Jamaica: Bank of Jamaica
Japan: Bank of Japan
Jordan: Central Bank of Jordan
Kazakhstan: National Bank of Kazakhstan
Kenya: Central Bank of Kenya
Korea: Bank of Korea
Kuwait: Central Bank of Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan: National Bank of the Kyrgyz Republic
Latvia: Bank of Latvia
Lebanon: Central Bank of Lebanon
Lesotho: Central Bank of Lesotho
Libya: Central Bank of Libya (Their most recent conquest)
Uruguay: Central Bank of Uruguay
Lithuania: Bank of Lithuania
Luxembourg: Central Bank of Luxembourg
Macao: Monetary Authority of Macao
Macedonia: National Bank of the Republic of Macedonia
Madagascar: Central Bank of Madagascar
Malawi: Reserve Bank of Malawi
Malaysia: Central Bank of Malaysia
Mali: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Malta: Central Bank of Malta
Mauritius: Bank of Mauritius
Mexico: Bank of Mexico
Moldova: National Bank of Moldova
Mongolia: Bank of Mongolia
Montenegro: Central Bank of Montenegro
Morocco: Bank of Morocco
Mozambique: Bank of Mozambique
Namibia: Bank of Namibia
Nepal: Central Bank of Nepal
Netherlands: Netherlands Bank
Netherlands Antilles: Bank of the Netherlands Antilles
New Zealand: Reserve Bank of New Zealand
Nicaragua: Central Bank of Nicaragua
Niger: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Nigeria: Central Bank of Nigeria
Norway: Central Bank of Norway
Oman: Central Bank of Oman
Pakistan: State Bank of Pakistan
Papua New Guinea: Bank of Papua New Guinea
Paraguay: Central Bank of Paraguay
Peru: Central Reserve Bank of Peru
Philip Pines: Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
Poland: National Bank of Poland
Portugal: Bank of Portugal
Qatar: Qatar Central Bank
Romania: National Bank of Romania
Russia: Central Bank of Russia
Rwanda: National Bank of Rwanda
San Marino: Central Bank of the Republic of San Marino
Samoa: Central Bank of Samoa
Saudi Arabia: Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency
Senegal: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Serbia: National Bank of Serbia
Seychelles: Central Bank of Seychelles
Sierra Leone: Bank of Sierra Leone
Singapore: Monetary Authority of Singapore
Slovakia: National Bank of Slovakia
Slovenia: Bank of Slovenia
Solomon Islands: Central Bank of Solomon Islands
South Africa: South African Reserve Bank
Spain: Bank of Spain
Sri Lanka: Central Bank of Sri Lanka
Sudan: Bank of Sudan
Surinam: Central Bank of Suriname
Swaziland: The Central Bank of Swaziland
Sweden: Sveriges Riksbank
Switzerland: Swiss National Bank
Tajikistan: National Bank of Tajikistan
Tanzania: Bank of Tanzania
Thailand: Bank of Thailand
Togo: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Tonga: National Reserve Bank of Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago: Central Bank of Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia: Central Bank of Tunisia
Turkey: Central Bank of the Republic of Turkey
Uganda: Bank of Uganda
Ukraine: National Bank of Ukraine
United Arab Emirates: Central Bank of United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom: Bank of England
United States: Federal Reserve, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
Vanuatu: Reserve Bank of Vanuatu
Venezuela: Central Bank of Venezuela
Vietnam: The State Bank of Vietnam
Yemen: Central Bank of Yemen
Zambia: Bank of Zambia
Zimbabwe: Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe
The FED and the IRS

FACT: US Federal Reserve is a privately-owned company, sitting on its very own patch of land, immune to the US laws.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'll repeat what I said on another thread (to deafening silence):

The reality is, Money is God. This is as true within supposed Christianity as in other religions and the secular world. For 98.7% of all people (a guesstimate, but probably quite close), Money is God. Money is what is actually worshipped. You can explain a great deal of what you observe within Christianity and elsewhere if you will simply keep in mind "Money is God." This is true at all levels, from denominations to churches to individuals. It is true of people with vast wealth and little wealth: Money is God.

There is no moral or ethical value that 98.7% of people will not compromise for sufficient money. 98.7% of people do not really, deep down, believe that God is God; hence, they hedge their bets by paying lip service to the God they hope exists while really worshipping Money, the unquestioned God of the world in which they now live.

This being the reality - and it is - 98.7% of people will find some creative way to justify their worship of money, their real God. They will cherry-pick Bible verses, assure you that Jesus was a capitalist, wax poetic about all the wonderful Christ-like things that their God Money can do. They will assure you that money for them is merely a tool that facilitates the worship of God and the doing of countless good deeds. The really devious will try to convince you that the Parable of the Talents is actually about investing money. The loudest squawking that "Money is not my God!" is, of course, by those who for whom there really is no other God except money.

Certainly, money is not inherently evil, any more than sex or rocks or pudding are inherently evil. But greed for money is one of those things, like lust, that inevitably perverts all that it touches. It is essentially impossible to focus on money without succumbing to its lure and eventually worshipping at its altar.

If true then most people are very poor at worshipping.

Money to most is a means to an end, not an end in itself. This is evidenced by the fact that so many people don't have much money but do have all sorts of stuff that they spent their money on (and even money they don't yet have).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

@timewerx

You have a legitimate concern, both for the body of Christ and the world. In my post, I linked to a book called, "Honest Money". Download it and read it. It will be well worth your while.

The problem we have in the world is dishonest money. Honest money is limited by real assets. Traditionally gold and silver has been the backing for honest money. It has a limited supply and it is hard to inflate. It can be inflated, of course. Coinsmiths can blend brass in gold coins to produce more "gold" coins for circulation, as an example.

Inflation is fraud and theft. Paper money is the out growth of metal money. A few centuries ago, people carried bags of precious metal coins. That was just as awkward as straightforward trades of 2 goats for 1 cow. Goldsmiths had vaults to keep the precious metals in for safety. Wealthy people began renting vault space to store their gold and silver. In the 18th century a Jewish goldsmith named Mayer Amschel in Frankfurt, Germany realized that he could offer a greater service to his wealthy customers. He had 5 sons who set up shops around Europe where gold and silver was stored. Mayer gave his customers paper receipts and told them they could travel with the receipts - removing the weight of coins, and reducing reason to be robbed - to one of the places his son lived, go to them with the receipt, then exchange it for the gold or silver.

What Mayer discovered was that people then began exchanging the receipts as currency without turning them in for the gold or silver. The gold & silver remained in his vaults. The idea came to him that he could print more receipts than he had precious metals, loan out those receipts at interest, and make a great profit. This was the beginning of both paper money and inflation. The dishonesty of inflation is that the people issuing the inflated currency, before it became known that more money was circulating than assets, is that they can buy real goods at the lower price before the price rises due to the extra currency.

Mayer had a red shield as his logo outside his shop. In German Rothschild means "red shield", so he change his and his sons family name to Rothschild. In the last 2 1/2 centuries, the Rothschild family used inflation to take control of countries by loaning money to national governments. Because they buy before inflation, they have amassed obscene wealth of real goods, corporations, and real estate. This is a picture of British banking tycoon, Baron
Rothschild who owns all the banks listed below his picture. This is the real problem. You probably bank in a Rothschild owned bank.
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Rothschild Owned Banks Around the Word
Afghanistan: Bank of Afghanistan
Albania: Bank of Albania
Algeria: Bank of Algeria
Argentina: Central Bank of Argentina
Armenia: Central Bank of Armenia
Aruba: Central Bank of Aruba
Australia: Reserve Bank of Australia
Austria: Austrian National Bank
Azerbaijan: Central Bank of Azerbaijan Republic
Bahamas: Central Bank of The Bahamas
Bahrain: Central Bank of Bahrain
Bangladesh: Bangladesh Bank
Barbados: Central Bank of Barbados
Belarus: National Bank of the Republic of Belarus
Belgium: National Bank of Belgium
Belize: Central Bank of Belize
Benin: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Bermuda: Bermuda Monetary Authority
Bhutan: Royal Monetary Authority of Bhutan
Bolivia: Central Bank of Bolivia
Bosnia: Central Bank of Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana: Bank of Botswana
Brazil: Central Bank of Brazil
Bulgaria: Bulgarian National Bank
Burkina Faso: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Burundi: Bank of the Republic of Burundi
Cambodia: National Bank of Cambodia
Came Roon: Bank of Central African States
Canada: Bank of Canada – Banque du Canada
Cayman Islands: Cayman Islands Monetary Authority
Central African Republic: Bank of Central African States
Chad: Bank of Central African States
Chile: Central Bank of Chile
China: The People’s Bank of China
Colombia: Bank of the Republic
Comoros: Central Bank of Comoros
Congo: Bank of Central African States
Costa Rica: Central Bank of Costa Rica
Côte d’Ivoire: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Croatia: Croatian National Bank
Cuba: Central Bank of Cuba
Cyprus: Central Bank of Cyprus
Czech Republic: Czech National Bank
Denmark: National Bank of Denmark
Dominican Republic: Central Bank of the Dominican Republic
East Caribbean area: Eastern Caribbean Central Bank
Ecuador: Central Bank of Ecuador
Egypt: Central Bank of Egypt
El Salvador: Central Reserve Bank of El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea: Bank of Central African States
Estonia: Bank of Estonia
Ethiopia: National Bank of Ethiopia
European Union: European Central Bank
Fiji: Reserve Bank of Fiji
Finland: Bank of Finland
France: Bank of France
Gabon: Bank of Central African States
The Gambia: Central Bank of The Gambia
Georgia: National Bank of Georgia
Germany: Deutsche Bundesbank
Ghana: Bank of Ghana
Greece: Bank of Greece
Guatemala: Bank of Guatemala
Guinea Bissau: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Guyana: Bank of Guyana
Haiti: Central Bank of Haiti
Honduras: Central Bank of Honduras
Hong Kong: Hong Kong Monetary Authority
Hungary: Magyar Nemzeti Bank
Iceland: Central Bank of Iceland
India: Reserve Bank of India
Indonesia: Bank Indonesia
Iran: The Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Iraq: Central Bank of Iraq
Ireland: Central Bank and Financial Services Authority of Ireland
Israel: Bank of Israel
Italy: Bank of Italy
Jamaica: Bank of Jamaica
Japan: Bank of Japan
Jordan: Central Bank of Jordan
Kazakhstan: National Bank of Kazakhstan
Kenya: Central Bank of Kenya
Korea: Bank of Korea
Kuwait: Central Bank of Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan: National Bank of the Kyrgyz Republic
Latvia: Bank of Latvia
Lebanon: Central Bank of Lebanon
Lesotho: Central Bank of Lesotho
Libya: Central Bank of Libya (Their most recent conquest)
Uruguay: Central Bank of Uruguay
Lithuania: Bank of Lithuania
Luxembourg: Central Bank of Luxembourg
Macao: Monetary Authority of Macao
Macedonia: National Bank of the Republic of Macedonia
Madagascar: Central Bank of Madagascar
Malawi: Reserve Bank of Malawi
Malaysia: Central Bank of Malaysia
Mali: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Malta: Central Bank of Malta
Mauritius: Bank of Mauritius
Mexico: Bank of Mexico
Moldova: National Bank of Moldova
Mongolia: Bank of Mongolia
Montenegro: Central Bank of Montenegro
Morocco: Bank of Morocco
Mozambique: Bank of Mozambique
Namibia: Bank of Namibia
Nepal: Central Bank of Nepal
Netherlands: Netherlands Bank
Netherlands Antilles: Bank of the Netherlands Antilles
New Zealand: Reserve Bank of New Zealand
Nicaragua: Central Bank of Nicaragua
Niger: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Nigeria: Central Bank of Nigeria
Norway: Central Bank of Norway
Oman: Central Bank of Oman
Pakistan: State Bank of Pakistan
Papua New Guinea: Bank of Papua New Guinea
Paraguay: Central Bank of Paraguay
Peru: Central Reserve Bank of Peru
Philip Pines: Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
Poland: National Bank of Poland
Portugal: Bank of Portugal
Qatar: Qatar Central Bank
Romania: National Bank of Romania
Russia: Central Bank of Russia
Rwanda: National Bank of Rwanda
San Marino: Central Bank of the Republic of San Marino
Samoa: Central Bank of Samoa
Saudi Arabia: Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency
Senegal: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Serbia: National Bank of Serbia
Seychelles: Central Bank of Seychelles
Sierra Leone: Bank of Sierra Leone
Singapore: Monetary Authority of Singapore
Slovakia: National Bank of Slovakia
Slovenia: Bank of Slovenia
Solomon Islands: Central Bank of Solomon Islands
South Africa: South African Reserve Bank
Spain: Bank of Spain
Sri Lanka: Central Bank of Sri Lanka
Sudan: Bank of Sudan
Surinam: Central Bank of Suriname
Swaziland: The Central Bank of Swaziland
Sweden: Sveriges Riksbank
Switzerland: Swiss National Bank
Tajikistan: National Bank of Tajikistan
Tanzania: Bank of Tanzania
Thailand: Bank of Thailand
Togo: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
Tonga: National Reserve Bank of Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago: Central Bank of Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia: Central Bank of Tunisia
Turkey: Central Bank of the Republic of Turkey
Uganda: Bank of Uganda
Ukraine: National Bank of Ukraine
United Arab Emirates: Central Bank of United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom: Bank of England
United States: Federal Reserve, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
Vanuatu: Reserve Bank of Vanuatu
Venezuela: Central Bank of Venezuela
Vietnam: The State Bank of Vietnam
Yemen: Central Bank of Yemen
Zambia: Bank of Zambia
Zimbabwe: Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe
The FED and the IRS

FACT: US Federal Reserve is a privately-owned company, sitting on its very own patch of land, immune to the US laws.

Kinda like McDonald's. They own stores around the world, take your money and give you high blood pressure and indigestion.

 

[Cis.jd]

Us humans do have to pay in order to live in this planet

 

[Sabertooth]

Us humans do have to pay in order to live in this planet

Despite the high cost of living, it still remains very popular...!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Us humans do have to pay in order to live in this planet

True. I just checked my birth certificate and there's nothing on there that says I get free stuff.

 

[timewerx]

I don't understand the intent of the OP.

Loving money is bad. So is using money for wicked endeavors.

Breadwinning is good. So is using money for Godly endeavors.

Many Christians don't know they love money.

Many Christians think they are using money for Godly endeavors but still benefitting the devil more than God.

I'll come back later with verses and examples.

 

[timewerx]

Bible has a lot to say about pride and being judgmental too.

In context.

Should I keep quiet if I see anyone walking towards a lion's den and they don't realize it?

.

 

[timewerx]

True. I just checked my birth certificate and there's nothing on there that says I get free stuff.

It's the "mud" we have deal with. The mud stains on the otherwise white dress of the bride.

We live in a muddy world so we'll get muddy eventually.

It's not just the money but what the money could buy (material / worldly things). Same mud. A man around mud or a pig around mud.

 

[topher694]

In context.

Should I keep quiet if I see anyone walking towards a lion's den and they don't realize it?

.

Your post was full of arrogance and unfounded judgements, but as long as you warn people of the dangers of money... No, I said that wrong... Declare them haters of God, then it's ok. The ends justify the means.

 

[timewerx]

Your post was full of arrogance and unfounded judgements, but as long as you warn people of the dangers of money... No, I said that wrong... Declare them haters of God, then it's ok. The ends justify the means.

Isn't that what Jesus did in Luke 16:13?

Which made the Pharisees angry. There's really no way to deliver that message without offending anyone.

The only way to deliver that message without offending anyone is talk about it as little as possible or change the context or don't talk about it ever which many churches are doing.

 

[topher694]

Isn't that what Jesus did in Luke 16:13?

Which made the Pharisees angry. There's really no way to deliver that message without offending anyone.

The only way to deliver that message without offending anyone is talk about it as little as possible or change the context or don't talk about it ever which many churches are doing.

Nope, what you did was nothing like what Jesus did.

 

[Strong in Him]

Keep in mind that most of money is being used to fuel the most wicked and evil organizations on Earth.

It's been like that since the time of Jesus. Thus if you love money, you therefore hate God (regardless of what you say about God).

This is probably the reason why Jesus did not make money come out of the ground to help the poor.

I'm NOT saying we should give up our money or quit our jobs. But it is where we spend our money which makes a difference whether we help the kingdom of the Devil or the Kingdom of God.

There is no magical formula to make a worldly spending habit become a Godly activity. It only shows you don't love God - as the Bible says.

Many Christians think it can. They are standing up for money because the Bible says no thing.

Many Christians would tell me to mind my own business at this point. But the Bible cannot be silenced in this matter.

Think twice if you choose to defend money in this topic or make fun / slander this thread. Especially if you are a Christian and claim to follow the ways of Christ.

Jesus was certainly on the side of the poor, and certainly spoke against loving money, hoarding it or putting it before everything else in your life.
But it is not wrong to have money - many charities, hospitals, schools and churches have been funded through wealthy people who have given generously. There are Christians out there who are millionaires, and millionaires who have become Christians.

Your final comment, "think twice if you choose to defend money ..... especially if you are a Christian and claim to follow the ways of Christ", implies that you think that anyone who defends the right to spend money is not a Christian.
Sounds like you are the one who should be careful.

 

[Strong in Him]

Many Christians don't know they love money.

How do you know they do?

Many Christians think they are using money for Godly endeavors but still benefitting the devil more than God.

Again, how do you know?
God doesn't NEED anything - but many of his people, including those who don't yet know him; do.

I'll come back later with verses and examples.

I doubt that you'll be able to show from Scripture that Christians who have, and give, money to God are actually "benefiting the devil".

 

[AvisG]

The game I see being played - here as elsewhere - is that those for whom Money is God (i.e., 98.7% of everyone) - want to focus on (1) how "having money" isn't inherently evil and (2) all the "good" one can accomplish with money.

They conveniently overlook the key underlying issues: First, the very nature of money - utterly corrupting. Money is very similar to sex in the uncontrollable lust it generates. Second, attitudes (1) and (2) become excuses for focusing on money, which in turn generates lust and ultimately leads to worship.

What on earth do people think Matthew 6:24 and Luke 16:13 mean? Do you really think they're always talking about "the other guy?" "Not me, I'm just trying to get by in this world where you've got to have money to survive."

I also believe it's true, as I suggested above, that most people's faith in God is simply too shaky for them to bet all their chips on Him. They are unwilling to forego money and the pleasures it can bring in this world for what they see as uncertain odds that He even exists.

I always remember a short piece in the Buddhist magazine Tricycle. The question posed was "How much money is enough?" Six or seven really esteemed Buddhist leaders gave long and "profound" answers to this question. The last participant, just an average auto mechanic from Arizona, gave an answer that was included because the editors must have realized it was so clearly the correct one: "Whatever you have, is enough."

 

[RaymondG]

The game I see being played - here as elsewhere - is that those for whom Money is God (i.e., 98.7% of everyone) - want to focus on (1) how "having money" isn't inherently evil and (2) all the "good" one can accomplish with money.

They conveniently overlook the key underlying issues: First, the very nature of money - utterly corrupting. Money is very similar to sex in the uncontrollable lust it generates. Second, attitudes (1) and (2) become excuses for focusing on money, which in turn generates lust and ultimately leads to worship.

What on earth do people think Matthew 6:24 and Luke 16:13 mean? Do you really think they're always talking about "the other guy?" "Not me, I'm just trying to get by in this world where you've got to have money to survive."

I also believe it's true, as I suggested above, that most people's faith in God is simply too shaky for them to bet all their chips on Him. They are unwilling to forego money and the pleasures it can bring in this world for what they see as uncertain odds that He even exists.

I always remember a short piece in the Buddhist magazine Tricycle. The question posed was "How much money is enough?" Six or seven really esteemed Buddhist leaders gave long and "profound" answers to this question. The last participant, just an average auto mechanic from Arizona, gave an answer that was included because the editors must have realized it was so clearly the correct one: "Whatever you have, is enough."

Are you part of that 98.7% group whose god is Money, or have you put yourself into the 1.3% group of the righteous who are, thereby, able to judge, rightly, the larger group of people...over there?

 

[RaymondG]

Many Christians don't know they love money.

Many Christians think they are using money for Godly endeavors but still benefitting the devil more than God.

I'll come back later with verses and examples.

Are you one of those Christians who love money and do not know it? Of all my time here on CF, you have spoken about money the most. Why do you care so much about money, how much money others have and what every does with their money? Is this not the actions of one who cannot get money off their minds?

If a Guy came to me talking about how much he didnt like a girl.....all the time....every week....even when this girl is not being spoken of by anyone else.....guess what? I would believe that he LOVED this girl....despite his words stating the contrary. Why else would he keep bring her up without cause?

Why would anyone feel any differently concerning your repeated conversations about money?