BEWARE OF UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The ears were never open, so the window is just window dressing.
The truth is not found the way you went.
Jesus told Simon barjona , and thus all the Ekklesia, how to know Jesus is Messiah -
Not by studying out the matter for yourself, no, not at all - that obviously doesn't work, as it is of the flesh, so
The Father must reveal the truth, or it is not known.
The Father Who Revealed to Peter that Jesus is Messiah, son of the Living God.

UNLESS the Father grants this from heaven, NO MAN can receive ANYTHING.
THus,
the Father is not the source of believing the false gospel, taught by demons.
Tickling ears, satisfying some fleshly desires (not spiritual ones nor in truth).

The false gospel trying to be propagated has always been false.
IT can never become clean, nor truth, nor right, nor good.

 

[zoidar]

That question is easy to answer, and I will answer though you never give me a straight answer to my questions.

Deception continues because some Christians continue to use versions which put dogma, doctrine and theology ahead of honest translation. The KJV is my usual example, but it is not the only one. Surprisingly, the biggest props of the concept of Hell are works of fiction, such as Dante's epic poems, Milton's epic poems, various modern "visions" of Hell of which Mary K. Baster's is most well known, and endless cartoons, movies and popular culture references.

The deception continues because Christians continue to read their Bibles with Hell, and sit under the preaching of ministers who preach Hell, because they learned it in Seminary from professors who learned Hell in Seminary, and on, and on. Sometimes the light goes on - for me, it was seeing in a magazine a depiction of the Tibetan Buddhist Hell, and I began to wonder where our ideas of Hell came from. When I was freed from the tasks of working for a living and raising a child, I began to search, and here I am today, a No-Hell Christian.

There are many different views of the nature of hell. There is symbol language in the Bible, hell described as outer darkness or as unquenchable fire. Some believe that annihilation is the right view, others separation from God or everlasting shame. In any way the important thing is that there are two different destinations after life, one with Christ and one without Christ. If we don't believe this I believe evangelization gets rather meaningless.

 

[FineLinen]

"All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation." 2 Corinthians 5:18-19

Dear GraceBro: It gets no clearer than this. The Father is NOT counting our sins against us! We are committed to speaking the word of Reconciliation. He the God of Reconciliation. God was reconciling the entire kosmos unto Himself.

To reconcile=

Definition of RECONCILE

The koine=

To change from enmity to friendship.

What God accomplishes through grace to former enemies.

 

[FineLinen]

“God says He will reconcile all; the whole creation shall ultimately be delivered, and every created thing shall finally praise God (Revelation 5:13).

The point that I wish the reader especially to note is that the final accomplishment of this purpose of God depends on Himself, and not on man.

The creature may fail, the Creator never fails; and no amount of blunders, mistakes, failures or perversions of the creature shall disarrange or thwart the plans of the Creator. This is the true basis of redemption.” -A.P. Adams-

The True Basis Of Redemption

THE TRUE BASIS OF REDEMPTION By A.P. Adams – Kingdom Resources

Robertson’s Word Pictures

Every created thing (παν κτισμα — pān ktisma). Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from κτιζω — ktizō for which see 1 Timothy 4:4; James 1:18), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in Revelation 5:3, with on the sea επι της ταλασσης — epi tēs thalassēs added). No created thing is left out. This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (κτισις — ktisis) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption. If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off.

“It is love alone in the holy Deity that will allow no peace to the wicked, nor ever cease its judgments till every sinner is forced to confess that it is good for him that he has been in trouble, and thankfully own that not the wrath but the love of God has plucked out that right eye, cut off that right band, which he ought to have done but would not do for himself and his own salvation.” – William Law-

"It is claimed that it takes the iron out of Christianity because it removes the threat. No longer can the sinner be dangled over the pit of hell. No longer can what Burn’s called the “hangmen’s whip” of the fear of Hell be threateningly cracked over the sinner. But the kind of universalism in which I believe has not simply obliterated hell and said that everything will be all right for everyone; it has stated grimly that, if you will have it so, you can go to Heaven via Hell. – Dr. William Barclay

 

[Shrewd Manager]

THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! You finally ADMITTED you believe that salvation from sin is outside of Christ!! Now that wasn't that hard, was it? I knew if I asked the right question you would FINALLY COME CLEAN!

Jesus is the ONLY ANSWER FOR SIN. If they reject THE CHRIST... THEY WILL SURELY DIE IN THEIR SINS!! It really isn't that complicated, unless of course you are protecting a false spirit. Eternal destruction awaits all those who HATE THE LIGHT unto death.

John 3:19-20
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil HATES THE LIGHT and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

Those who hate the light unto death will die in their sins and the WRATH OF GOD ABIDES ON THEM!

You preach a false penalty of sin. Therefore you preach a FALSE GOSPEL. You are condoning hell by telling them there is no hell, this is SERIOUS ABERRATION of the TRUTH! And you will ANSWER for these lies concerning the REAL PENALTY OF SIN. The penalty that Christ took for the sins of the world on that lonely hill! A penalty so severe it took the righteous lamb of God, a Lamb without blemish, God's only Son to take this penalty. There is no salvation from sin beyond His Cross, and those who reject the free gift of life unto death because THEY HATE THE LIGHT (who is Christ), they will find the false comfort of your precious UR is nothing but a DOCTRINE OF DEMONS!

With respect, may I suggest that you're labouring under a misunderstanding of UR. It may be advisable to read up on it and put your prejudices and assumptions aside during that effort.

You might find revealed that God doesn't do things by halves - when He sent His son to save the world, and to proclaim the gospel of salvation for all, He actually meant business. Hence the ultimate divine covenant sealed in holy blood. Now that's a guarantee. Yet you doubt its efficacy smh. Benefits reserved for a few special Pharisees, like the ones whose righteousness is more than a pile of mouldy rags? Hearing me?

Hades and death are not generally considered to be good news - they're plainly a curse (but not in the damnationists' book). Jesus has the keys to those places/ states, and he comes to free the prisoners. These are the big mission statements to go with the big covenants like all nations of the world shall be blessed, as given fullness in the promise of the gospel that God will saved all in, by and through Christ.

See, the irony here is that you're already in Hades, the 'land of shades', a mode of thinking that's fallen, partial and dualistic. But God is absolute and perfect. He asks us to have faith above and beyond our pathetic little doubty self-righteous ways.

His Salvation is the name of the game. Everyone will ultimately freely choose to take that gift and answer the invitation. To think otherwise is to perish in (partial) unbelief, for which you may need a good dunking in the lake of fire, so as to be renewed in His amazing grace.

So don't be condemning those you consider to be 'outside Christ' (eg the young rape victim suicide who rejected Jesus before she drank the drano) to eternal damnation, it's not healthy and totally not what Christ is about - it's anti-Christ. God will set her right, and the perp with changed heart will fall to his knees begging her forgiveness in true contrition. No teary eye goes unwiped. Wolf lies down with lamb. Swords beat into plowshares. Glory of nations and kings of earth brought to the throne etc.

 

[FineLinen]

"All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation." 2 Corinthians 5:18-19

Dear GraceBro: This is a glorious fact. Our Father is on our side. His glorious reconciliation is past, present and future all working together in harmony through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

The past= "was reconciling"

The present= is reconciling.

The future= In the dispensation of the fulness of times'.

"Through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross."

 

[FineLinen]

With respect, may I suggest that you're labouring under a misunderstanding of UR. It may be advisable to read up on it and put your prejudices and assumptions aside during that effort.

You might find revealed that God doesn't do things by halves - when He sent His son to save the world, and to proclaim the gospel of salvation for all, He actually meant business. Hence the ultimate divine covenant sealed in holy blood. Now that's a guarantee. Yet you doubt its efficacy smh. Benefits reserved for a few special Pharisees, like the ones whose righteousness is more than a pile of mouldy rags? Hearing me?

Hades and death are not generally considered to be good news - they're plainly a curse (but not in the damnationists' book). Jesus has the keys to those places/ states, and he comes to free the prisoners. These are the big mission statements to go with the big covenants like all nations of the world shall be blessed, as given fullness in the promise of the gospel that God will saved all in, by and through Christ.

See, the irony here is that you're already in Hades, the 'land of shades', a mode of thinking that's fallen, partial and dualistic. But God is absolute and perfect. He asks us to have faith above and beyond our pathetic little doubty self-righteous ways.

His Salvation is the name of the game. Everyone will ultimately freely choose to take that gift and answer the invitation. To think otherwise is to perish in (partial) unbelief, for which you may need a good dunking in the lake of fire, so as to be renewed in His amazing grace.

So don't be condemning those you consider to be 'outside Christ' (eg the young rape victim suicide who rejected Jesus before she drank the drano) to eternal damnation, it's not healthy and totally not what Christ is about - it's anti-Christ. God will set her right, and the perp with changed heart will fall to his knees begging her forgiveness in true contrition. No teary eye goes unwiped. Wolf lies down with lamb. Swords beat into plowshares. Glory of nations and kings of earth brought to the throne etc.

Dear Shrewd: What our God begins He completes. He is not only the Author of salvation, He is the consummation (Finisher) of salvation. Nothing but nothing is done in 1/2 's with Him! What He has begun in our broken lives of sin and despair in repair He brings to completion, every last diget in glorious consummation.

My brother Shrewd, F.L. sends greetings. I love Australians muchly!

 

[FineLinen]

I just beheld a moving sight today. A young lad was born colour blind. He has never seen colour ever. It is impossible for me to conceive of never seeing the vast array of colour, of not seeing at all.

Dear friends, the Restitution of all things you may not see yet, but rest assured there are colours in our Father's World. Those colours are in a vast array that when once your eyes are opened you will not know how to respond but in deep sobs of Holy>>>Holy>>>Holy.

 

[Skidder]

Dear Skid: All four (4) hells exist. The final destination for all of them is in His consuming Presence of the Lake of theion and theioo.

Every last one in the One who opens prison doors into Himself

I think Abraham said it best. If you won't even believe someone coming back from the dead and telling you a PLACE OF TORMENT exists, I surely doubt you would ever believe me. And just like clockwork... still protecting your false hell.

“Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this PLACE OF TORMENT.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets NEITHER WILL THEY BE PERSUADED THOUGH ONE RISE FROM THE DEAD'".

 

[Skidder]

I think I can say with confidence that if I have studied the matter out for myself, and am fully convinced that my position is correct and true, then I am not deceived.

Your responses indicate that you are not thinking through what Fine Linen, I, and others are trying to say. Like the KJV, are you not putting doctrine before translation?

The window is beginning to close on my willingness to converse with you, given your responses.

I think Abraham said it best. If you won't even believe someone coming back from the dead and telling you a PLACE OF TORMENT exists, I surely doubt you would ever believe us. And just like clockwork... still protecting your false hell.

“Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this PLACE OF TORMENT.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets NEITHER WILL THEY BE PERSUADED THOUGH ONE RISE FROM THE DEAD'".

 

[FineLinen]

Dear Skid: Put on your new glasses and hear the Christ of Ephphatha!

 

[Skidder]

Dear Skid: Put on your new glasses and hear the Christ of Ephphatha!

A false hell is a false Gospel. Jesus took the penalty for our sins in a BRUTAL way upon Himself, and only by faith in Christ are we pardoned from the penalty of sin. To say they are pardoned from the penalty of sin without faith in Christ is a false Gospel.

UR is a false hell. They go hand in hand with the ecumenical (liberal) spirit that has infected the church. They preach the same thing the liberals preach about the afterlife (no punishment for rejecting Christ). Sad they can't even see who they are in bed with. Nothing but a proxy for the god of this world (Satan) who wants to send as many to hell as possible because he knows his time is short.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

A false hell, a false Jesus, a false gospel, go hand in hand with all the false teachings presented daily in many places and in this thread.

 

[FineLinen]

Dear Saint Paul: please be advised Skidder proclaims what you write by the Spirit of the Lord is a "false hell."

I wonder if Skid knows what to reconcile means?

“…Nothing can be lost that is not first owned. Just as a parent is compelled by civil law to be responsible for his family and his property, so the Creator --by His own divine law–in compelled to take care of the children He has created. And that means not only caring for the good children, but for the bad ones and lost ones as well. So the word lost came to be for Mrs. Smith (Hannah W. Smith), a term of greatest comfort. If a person is a “lost sinner” it only means that he is temporarily separated from the Good Shepherd who owns him. The Shepherd is bound by all duties of ownership to go after all those who are lost until they are found.” -Catherine Marshall-

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

oops..... blaspheming God's Word and purposefully twisting the New Testament to promote a false gospel increases the judgment of God, however He decides as in all.

 

[Saint Steven]

can i still come back to Jesus to be saved?

Yes, always.

Matthew 18:12-14
“What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off? 13 And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he is happier about that one sheep than about the ninety-nine that did not wander off. 14 In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

 

[Lazarus Short]

A false hell is a false Gospel. Jesus took the penalty for our sins in a BRUTAL way upon Himself, and only by faith in Christ are we pardoned from the penalty of sin. To say they are pardoned from the penalty of sin without faith in Christ is a false Gospel.

UR is a false hell. They go hand in hand with the ecumenical (liberal) spirit that has infected the church. They preach the same thing the liberals preach about the afterlife (no punishment for rejecting Christ). Sad they can't even see who they are in bed with. Nothing but a proxy for the god of this world (Satan) who wants to send as many to hell as possible because he knows his time is short.

Wrong and wrong. We do not believe or preach in no punishment or salvation without faith in Jesus the Christ. We say that punishment is corrective, for a purpose, not endless torture for revenge. We say that all will come to faith in the fullness of time, and by the plan and will of God, not that anyone gets into the Kingdom without it. Your view of UR is false, so you say UR is false. Please get your facts straight. You cannot hear us over the sound of church propaganda.

Now for wrong #2. The UR movement is much older than church ecumenism or liberality. We are, as far as I know, separate from it. Again, you cannot see us as we are because you are tuned to church propaganda.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

oops....forgot what God says here ? (or mis-interpret it as usual to try to mean something else? ) :

Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately go on sinning after we have ...

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For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, Berean Study Bible If we deliberately ...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

We say that punishment is corrective, for a purpose, not endless torture for revenge.

Being partly right, and mostly wrong, does not make this right.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The UR movement is much older than church ecumenism or liberality.

Closer then to the source of its evil? That does not make it true, ever, nor right, ever.