Do God protect His chosen from rape?

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You obviously didnt watch any news reports on ISIS. They raped many Christian women and many of them were murdered as well. There were reports of the Christian women forgiving them for rape and their "executions" before they were killed. They died because they would not renounce the name of Jesus. There were a number of Western aid workers in the area that were captured, sold off as wives fro the fighters and raped. I read the account of one American woman who was clearly very strong in her faith during her suffering and helped the other women being held with her. She lead many of the women to Christ and witnessed to the ISIS fighters. I had no reason to doubt her when she said she had forgiven them for what they did to her and had the strength to do that in Jesus.
 
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God is God of this world. Torment is not same as rape. I am from bulgarian orthodox church and we don't have raped saints. With one prayer for death, they died before this happen. God will not let this happen to any of his chosen. He is God of flesh and God of invisible.

Show us from Scriptures and the ECF where God promises us to keep us from evil. Why would you come here in such a mean way peddling heresy?
 
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Look at all the early Christians who went to horrible deaths in the arena. No doubt some of the women were raped. Anyway, bad things happen to Christians all the time. If God were to intervene directly to stop rapes, then there would be no free will.
 
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Yes, When the Savior asked me that question, I said: "Yay Lord."

The way is narrow, and he that putteth his hand to the plow and looks back, is not fit. It is unwise to model yourself after others you deem true christians, Or make another mans highest level, your goal. We have a perfect example....why would we need another?

"Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee."
Buddy I hate to break it to you but your physical flesh is going to fail you, you're going to physically die, this body, it's tainted by sin from the beginning and so it just won't last, the DNA fails to replicate properly and health fails we grow old, we get sick and we die, physically. Our soul separates from our body, and in a moment of grace, God brings it into His presence, saved from spiritual death. Even God Himself physically died when He was on earth in flesh. His promise is that our soul will not die, and that when He returns He will raise us from the dead in new glorified perfect bodies to dwell with Him on a new creation forever. Remember, Jesus told the thieves that THEY would be with Him in paradise. He saved them, that was a promise, to believe that the promise was that God told us we'd physically live forever on this fallen earth, that's a fallacy. To believe that anyone who physically dies must not be saved, that is also a fallacy, because He does not break His promises, and He told them they would be with Him. They were saved, despite their sin, that's GRACE.
Luke 23:40-43
But the other one rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same judgment? We are punished justly, for we are receiving what our actions deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!”
And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
Right there. Repentence of sin just before he was going to die physically, faith that Jesus WAS Christ and would save him when He came into His kingdom, and then the promise from Jesus Himself that they were saved and would be with Him in paradise!
They were saved, but their physical bodies were going to die. The promise was not "Truly I tell you, you're going to live on this Earth forever"
This whole UNIVERSE is going to be remade. it's not going to last, this current physical body of yours, it's not going to last either.
You see sin is beyond spiritual, it's physical, it's right down to molecular biology. Aging and death happen on a cellular level because your body doesn't replicate DNA perfectly, it makes mistakes, it's a redundant system with a lot of proofreading, but it makes mistakes, errors, that build up, and make everything less effective the more times your cells divide. Eventually they just stack up so many errors and aren't healthy cells anymore, they die faster than they reproduce, or they become cancerous. The system was designed to work indefinitely but sin made it malfunction, and nobody is biologically safe from that. There is even markers on DNA called telomeres that give a cell a certain number of divisions and after that it's PROGRAMMED to die. That's the physical, biological manifestation of sin taking something that was supposed to be perfect and making it imperfect. The new glorified body won't have these mistakes, they won't make errors, because there will be no sin to sabotage the process.

But buddy, that's not this body.
 
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I know wordly women is not protected from rape.

I'm not sure how you got that idea - many non Christian women go their entire lives without being raped.

But do God protect His chosen from rape?

He may sometimes. But Christian women can be, and are, raped.
Christians are not immune from the sin and evil that is in the world. We have someone who forgives our sins - but we can still be affected by the sins of others.
When a friend of mine was raped years ago, part of her witness was that she forgave the men who did it to her.
 
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Therefore, NOBODY who EVER suffers ANYTHING in the material world is one of God's people, since God protects His people from EVERYTHING!

Sorry, that's just not true.
We can be affected by, and suffer because of, the sins of others, just as much as non Christians are.
Our testimony is that IN all things, God works for goo, Romans 8:28, and IN all things, we are more than conquerors, Romans 8:37.

In the OT, Israel sinned for many years, and all the prophets prophesied that unless they repented they would be taken into exile. When that time came, one of those who was taken off into exile in Babylon was Ezekiel, who was training to be a priest. He was called to be a prophet instead and stayed in Babylon with God's people, encouraging them and giving the God's word.
 
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I am from bulgarian orthodox church and we don't have raped saints. With one prayer for death, they died before this happen. God will not let this happen to any of his chosen. He is God of flesh and God of invisible.

Just because the saints in your church may not have been ever raped, does not prove that Christians cannot suffer from this evil.
It is wrong to say that God will not let this happen to his chosen. There are Christians who have been raped, and there are many non Christians who have never been raped.

Our faith does not mean that it, and other bad things, can never happen to us. Our faith means that when bad things DO happen, we know someone who will help us through it, and enable us to forgive and carry on.
 
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Show us from Scriptures and the ECF where God promises us to keep us from evil. Why would you come here in such a mean way peddling heresy?

We trust in God, that He protect us and keep us. This is not heresy.

Have you not heard Aaronic blessing: The Lord bless you and keep you.
 
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Hello, its all about our spiritual living and spiritual death....Romans 5:12..therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to ALL PEOPLE, because All Sinned....
Nay, for you left out the next section, which says that salvation came to ALL PEOPLE through one man as well. Therefore, death has been removed for those that would believe it. Again I ask:

"Believeth Thou this?"
 
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Show us from Scriptures and the ECF where God promises us to keep us from evil. Why would you come here in such a mean way peddling heresy?
" But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil."
 
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Buddy I hate to break it to you but your physical flesh is going to fail you, you're going to physically die, this body, it's tainted by sin from the beginning and so it just won't last, the DNA fails to replicate properly and health fails we grow old, we get sick and we die, physically. Our soul separates from our body, and in a moment of grace, God brings it into His presence, saved from spiritual death. Even God Himself physically died when He was on earth in flesh. His promise is that our soul will not die, and that when He returns He will raise us from the dead in new glorified perfect bodies to dwell with Him on a new creation forever. Remember, Jesus told the thieves that THEY would be with Him in paradise. He saved them, that was a promise, to believe that the promise was that God told us we'd physically live forever on this fallen earth, that's a fallacy. To believe that anyone who physically dies must not be saved, that is also a fallacy, because He does not break His promises, and He told them they would be with Him. They were saved, despite their sin, that's GRACE.
Luke 23:40-43

Right there. Repentence of sin just before he was going to die physically, faith that Jesus WAS Christ and would save him when He came into His kingdom, and then the promise from Jesus Himself that they were saved and would be with Him in paradise!
They were saved, but their physical bodies were going to die. The promise was not "Truly I tell you, you're going to live on this Earth forever"
This whole UNIVERSE is going to be remade. it's not going to last, this current physical body of yours, it's not going to last either.
You see sin is beyond spiritual, it's physical, it's right down to molecular biology. Aging and death happen on a cellular level because your body doesn't replicate DNA perfectly, it makes mistakes, it's a redundant system with a lot of proofreading, but it makes mistakes, errors, that build up, and make everything less effective the more times your cells divide. Eventually they just stack up so many errors and aren't healthy cells anymore, they die faster than they reproduce, or they become cancerous. The system was designed to work indefinitely but sin made it malfunction, and nobody is biologically safe from that. There is even markers on DNA called telomeres that give a cell a certain number of divisions and after that it's PROGRAMMED to die. That's the physical, biological manifestation of sin taking something that was supposed to be perfect and making it imperfect. The new glorified body won't have these mistakes, they won't make errors, because there will be no sin to sabotage the process.

But buddy, that's not this body.
It was a simple question given by the Lord, which requires a simple answer. You will not be force to accept life. If you ever change your mind/repent.... we have a fatted calf waiting to to slaughtered in celebration.
 
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Just because the saints in your church may not have been ever raped, does not prove that Christians cannot suffer from this evil.
It is wrong to say that God will not let this happen to his chosen. There are Christians who have been raped, and there are many non Christians who have never been raped.

Our faith does not mean that it, and other bad things, can never happen to us. Our faith means that when bad things DO happen, we know someone who will help us through it, and enable us to forgive and carry on.
Are you saying that you serve a God that can only help you through evil, but not keep you from it? And christians who manage to get by this evil, get by just by luck and chance?
 
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I know wordly women is not protected from rape.
But do God protect His chosen from rape?
Why would you ask such a question? Christians, suffer. Most of the apostles were murdered just like Christ. Can and does God protect us? Yes. Does He always? No. Some Missionaries of Charity ( Mother Theresa's organization) were raped and murdered down south years back. Why? I don't know. But I do trust that God used it for His higher purpose, perhaps to bring world wide attention to the violence women, even nuns, suffer. Suffering is temporal. God's kingdom will live forever, as will those who love him.
 
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Are you saying that you serve a God that can only help you through evil, but not keep you from it? And christians who manage to get by this evil, get by just by luck and chance?

Of course he can keep us from evil.
We have no idea how many things the devil has sent intending to destroy us and from which we have been saved, maybe through the prayers of others.
But it is not correct to say that a Christian will not be affected by evil, rape, burglary or anything else, and if we are, it is a sign of weak faith or that we do not truly belong to God.

And christians who manage to get by this evil, get by just by luck and chance?

No. God sees, and knows, everything that is going to happen - even that some of his children will suffer at the hands of others. I've no idea why we may still go through that evil; but we do. Scripture is full of people who suffered through the sins of others: Jacob and David had daughters who were raped, Genesis 34:2, 2 Samuel 13:14; Jacob's sons sold their youngest brother into slavery; David's newborn baby died because David had committed adultery and murder; thousands in Israel were killed because David disobeyed God, 1 Chronicles 21:11-14; Ezekiel was taken into exile in Babylon, a punishment that was given to the Israelites because they had worshipped other gods.
Since then, millions of Christians have died in war, as a result of persecution or through muggings or stabbings.

IN all things, we are more than conquerors through him who loves us.
 
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Nay, for you left out the next section, which says that salvation came to ALL PEOPLE through one man as well. Therefore, death has been removed for those that would believe it. Again I ask:

"Believeth Thou this?"
Hello, death came to All People through One Man But Now it has been removed through believing in the One Man -"Christ"....so you died first (spiritually ) through your sins, unless you have no sins and if have no sins then why do you need salvation, since death has no hold over you???

Because salvation is for those who once dead to their sins but are made alive by the blood (Spirit ) of the One Man (Christ )...

Yes, I believe through the Grace of God and of Jesus Christ that enables me live, then I will Never die again..."this perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality"...1Corinthians 15:52-54
 
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We trust in God, that He protect us and keep us. This is not heresy.

Have you not heard Aaronic blessing: The Lord bless you and keep you.

We may trust in God but you are peddling a form of heresy. We as Christians were never promised to have an easy life and to further that Christ said that the world will hate us (John 15:18-25). Christians get beheaded, stoned, raped, and all other matter of things. The heresy your trying to peddle is that no harm ever comes to Christians and that idea is a lie from Satan himself

Like I asked before show from Scripture where Christ said Christians would be protected from all harm and show me the ECF quotes that say Christians are protected from harm.
 
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