Who gets cast into the everlasting lake of fire?

[Emmylouwho]

Simple ? >
This present age is described by Paul as poneros (ðïíåñïò). The English word which best translate this Greek word is pernicious.
Webster says, “That is pernicious which works mischief or destruction.” This present age therefore is not content to perish in its own corruption, but seeks to drag all men with it down to its own inevitable destruction.

FOR little children>
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

"Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

"Matthew 18:3 "Truly I tell you," He said, "unless you change and ...
Matthew 18:3 "Truly I tell you," He said, "unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
If you don't change and become like a child, you will never get into the ... and said, "Truly I tell you, unless you turn, and become as little children, you will in no way ....

"1 John 2:1
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

God reveals salvation to little children>

Revealed to Little Children (Matt 11:25-30) | Hope of Christ ...
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Jesus' words demonstrate that the salvation of God's children is dependent not upon anything in man but depend solely upon revelation. This revelation is based solely upon the will and delight of both the Father and the Son. From start to finish salvation is of the Lord.

Quoting scripture endlessly is neither going to answer the question presented by the OP, nor answer my more immediate questions. Can you answer a question FROM YOUR OWN PERSPECTIVE, or do you lack one?

 

[Der Alte]

The Word of God is not so simple, is it? If it’s this hard to explain it in simple English, how on earth do you think you can accomplish it other county? You can’t even accomplish it AT HOME.

I was talking about so-called "literal versions" of the Bible. There are quite a few "literal version" Bibles, no two are the same. My question was how does one know whether or not a so-called "literal version" is in fact literal? Without knowing Hebrew or Greek nobody can know whether a version is actually "literal" or not.
It has been my experience that those who prefer a "literal version" actually mean they have found a version which supports their assumptions/presuppositions.
What I specifically addressed was some folks claim that "'eternal punishment,' Matt 25:46, cannot mean eternal because the Greek word aionios supposedly does not mean eternal."

 

[Emmylouwho]

I was talking about so-called "literal versions" of the Bible. There are quite a few "literal version" Bibles, no two are the same. My question was how does one know whether or not a so-called "literal version" is in fact literal? Without knowing Hebrew or Greek nobody can know whether a version is actually "literal" or not.
It has been my experience that those who prefer a "literal version" actually mean they have found a version which supports their assumptions/presuppositions.
What I specifically addressed was some folks claim that "'eternal punishment,' Matt 25:46, cannot mean eternal because the Greek word aionios supposedly does not mean eternal."

But oth

Humanism, as such, is opposed to Jesus and contrary to all the Creator Yahuweh States in His Word.
i.e. it is sinful, disobedient, unforgiven if continued without repentance, and an abomination to the Creator and to Jesus.

wait.... what? Please tell us, what is “humanism”? Humanism... hmm... is that an idea that humans should..what? What is this evil that we should be afraid of?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Quoting scripture endlessly is neither going to answer the question presented by the OP, nor answer my more immediate questions. Can you answer a question FROM YOUR OWN PERSPECTIVE, or do you lack one?

My perspective perishes when I die, or even a few moments from now.

God's Perspective Remains Truth, Forever, Unchanging, and can be STOOD UPON, and RELIED UPON, FOR ETERNITY, for eternal life.

Who do YOU want to rely on ? God the Creator, or some created being ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

wait.... what? Please tell us, what is “humanism”? Humanism... hmm... is that an idea that humans should..what? What is this evil that we should be afraid of?

Like many other "-isms", it is of man/ of the flesh (or from demons), opposed to Yahuweh the Creator and contrary to His Declared Word (Scripture), and His Declared Path and Purpose of Salvation in Christ Jesus.

It is based on false ideas, emotions, feelings, lies, and false teachings (presented in this thread by humanists or others like them) of men or of demons.

 

[Emmylouwho]

Like many other "-isms", it is of man/ of the flesh (or from demons), opposed to Yahuweh the Creator and contrary to His Declared Word (Scripture), and His Declared Path and Purpose of Salvation in Christ Jesus.

It is based on false ideas, emotions, feelings, lies, and false teachings (presented in this thread by humanists or others like them) of men or of demons.

Crock o bull and you know it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Crock o bull and you know it.

No. Just the opposite. You took the view in your posts that some "-ism" is better than God's Word, even though it is opposed to His Word.

Free will allows that, it's your choice.

 

[Emmylouwho]

No. Just the opposite. You took the view in your posts that some "-ism" is better than God's Word, even though it is opposed to His Word.

Free will allows that, it's your choice.

Wrong.

 

[FineLinen]

Crock o bull and you know it.

Dear Emmylou: But he does NOT know it!

"Jesus came to raise the dead. He did not come to teach the teachable; He did not come to improve the improvable; He did not come to reform the reformable. None of those things works." -Robert Farrar Capon-

 

[Emmylouwho]

Dear Emmylou: But he does NOT know i

"Jesus came to raise the dead. He did not come to teach the teachable; He did not come to improve the improvable; He did not come to reform the reformable. None of those things works." -Robert Farrar Capon-

You’re right. However, I can’t keep my internal optimist spirit down! I think there’s hope for these people!

 

[FineLinen]

If there is a God who will damn his children forever, I would rather go to hell than to go to heaven and keep the society of such an infamous tyrant. I make my choice now. I despise that doctrine. It has covered the cheeks of this world with tears. It has polluted the hearts of children, and poisoned the imaginations of men. It has been a constant pain, a perpetual terror to every good man and woman and child. It has filled the good with horror and with fear; but it has had no effect upon the infamous and base. It has wrung the hearts of the tender, it has furrowed the cheeks of the good. This doctrine never should be preached again. What right have you, sir, Mr. clergyman, you, minister of the gospel to stand at the portals of the tomb, at the vestibule of eternity, and fill the future with horror and with fear? I do not believe this doctrine, neither do you. If you did, you could not sleep one moment. Any man who believes it, and has within his breast a decent, throbbing heart, will go insane. A man who believes that doctrine and does not go insane has the heart of a snake and the conscience of a hyena. -Robert Ingersoll-

Jesus Christ holds the keys of death and hell & knows how to turn the keys!

 

[BCsenior]

Is there any wickedness that grace cannot overcome?

Grace, for one thing, makes it possible for the true believer
to overcome the world, sin, the devil, persecution, etc.

Just like Jesus did ... please see Revelation 3:21.
Jesus, in this verse, says we must overcome these things.

We also must overcome everything in Revelation 21:8,
or we will be cast into the lake of fire!
Mentioned are: (1)cowards, (2)unbelievers, and (3)sinners.
Since (1) and (3) are NOT part of group (2),
aren't (1) and (3) referencing believers?

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Mentioned are: (1)cowards, (2)unbelievers, and (3)sinners.
Since (1) and (3) are NOT part of group (2),
aren't (1) and (3) referencing believers?

Even (2) is referencing 'believers'. For who of us has loved God with all his heart mind and soul and his neighbour as himself? We have all sinned and fallen short, and continue to do so. Even the great saints acknowledge their sin persisting to the end of their lives. The flesh wars against the spirit. On God's standards all our righteousness is as filthy used menstrual rags. There's your quantum of righteousness, friend.

So I'm expecting a good scrub with the fuller's soap, looking forward to being purified of all this dross, these thorns in the flesh, purge me of this disease Doc, prune away these nasty weeds. I need more of what He gave me when He renewed my heart and mind 6 years ago. The fire, the spirit, the immersion. And by His Grace only we shall finally overcome in that day.

 

[FineLinen]

Even (2) is referencing 'believers'. For who of us has loved God with all his heart mind and soul and his neighbour as himself? We have all sinned and fallen short, and continue to do so. Even the great saints acknowledge their sin persisting to the end of their lives. The flesh wars against the spirit. On God's standards all our righteousness is as filthy used menstrual rags. There's your quantum of righteousness, friend.

So I'm expecting a good scrub with the fuller's soap, looking forward to being purified of all this dross, these thorns in the flesh, purge me of this disease Doc, prune away these nasty weeds. I need more of what He gave me when He renewed my heart and mind 6 years ago. The fire, the spirit, the immersion. And by His Grace only we shall finally overcome in that day.

Dear Shrewd: There are many who seem to think the Fire of the Lord is something to be avoided. Our God is consuming fire/pur. That is His essence, leading His creation home to Himself. The Lake, is the Lake of Theion whose essence is none other than Theos. There is zero escape for any of us, the Lord of Fire awaits our fellowship!

Coming home, coming home, never more to roam

 

[BCsenior]

Even (2) is referencing 'believers'.

Okay, unbelievers include believers ... thanks for the info!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

One verse that I found interesting, that most people wouldn't bat an eye to are these sins, particularly the first one, and one more. And why is it first?:

8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Interesting

According to this verse in Matt 10, "gehenna" is the destruction of body and soul

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

622. apollumi from 575 and the base of 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
G622 ἀπόλλυμι (apollymi), occurs 100 times in 86 verses
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Matthew 10:28 “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy<622> both soul and body in gehenna.

Matthew 23:33
"Serpents! offspring<1081> of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna<1067>

Revelation show the bodies and souls of men that perished in the 70AD Jerusalem "holocaust" in which over 1 million Jews perished and had to be cleaned up in the aftermath,either buried or burned outside the City....

Rev 18:13 “and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies and souls of men

Isaiah 66:
24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me;
the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places, and innumerable multitudes who were swept away by famine, and pestilence, and of which no calculation could be made.

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The Lake of Fire shows them being ALIVE and tormented into the Ages of the Ages. Still working on this

Rev 19:20
Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.
These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[fn] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night into the ages of the ages
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Is the "GEHENNA" of Matt 23:33 the "LAKE OF FIRE" in Revelation? Poll thread

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You’re right. However, I can’t keep my internal optimist spirit down! I think there’s hope for these people!

Yahuweh through Jesus Christ gives hope to mankind when there is no hope apart from Jesus Christ.

Those who remain opposed to Jesus, rejecting Him, die without hope, born of the flesh, dead in trespasses and sin, and always destined for destruction.
They lost their opportunity to be saved, exactly as Yahuweh (God) Says.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yahuweh through Jesus Christ gives hope to mankind when there is no hope apart from Jesus Christ.

Those who remain opposed to Jesus, rejecting Him, die without hope, born of the flesh, dead in trespasses and sin, and always destined for destruction.
They lost their opportunity to be saved, exactly as Yahuweh (God) Says.

Indeed, sad but true.....
and they suffered the ultimate recompense in the gehenna holocaust destruction of 70AD Jerusalem.....

Act 13:46
Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.

Matthew 23:33 "Serpents! offspring<1081> of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna<1067>

Revelation 6:16
They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their g wrath has come, and who can withstand it?” [Hosea 10:8 Luke 23:30]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

and they suffered the ultimate recompense in the gehenna holocaust destruction of 70AD Jerusalem.....

Maybe some few did.

Many more will , as written, after one third of mankind is killed, the remaining third REFUSES TO REPENT - they willingly continue to serve/ worship demons..... thus they will perish for their sins.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Maybe some few did.

Many more will , as written, after one third of mankind is killed, the remaining third REFUSES TO REPENT - they willingly continue to serve/ worship demons..... thus they will perish for their sins.

Revelation is not global wide as zionist futurists/dispensationalist view.

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

The great City in Revelation is 70AD Jerusalem......it is finished for the OC Jews....only coming to the Cross will they become part of the NC of Life......freedom from the Mosaic Law and Temple sacrifices.......

Galatians 4:24 which things is an allegory. For these are the two Covenants, one indeed from mount Sinai into servitude generating who-any is Hagar. 25 For the Hagar mount Sinai is in Arabia is together-elemental yet to now Jerusalem slaving/serving with the offpspring of Her.

Hebrews 12:18 For you have not come to a mountain that might be touched, and that burned with fire, and to blackness, darkness, storm, 19 the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which those who heard it begged that not one more word should be spoken to them,

Deu “Then you came near and stood at the foot of the mountain, and the mountain burned with fire to the midst of heaven, with darkness, cloud, and thick darkness
nnd it cometh to pass........ on the Mount,and the sound of a Trumpet very strong; and all the people who are in the camp do tremble

Say good bye to the OC:

Revelation 8:8 And the second messenger trumpets, and as it were a great Mountain with fire burning was cast into the Sea, and the third of the sea became blood,

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Is Jerusalem 70 ad the great City in Revelation?

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2. No
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3. Maybe
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4. Never thought about it that way
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5. Other [please explaine]
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