Animals

[Daniel C]

Animal lovers do not lower the status of humans just because they think higher than you (rightfully so) of nonhuman animals. You just hate all animals except humans, right? That is how your posts appear to any person who loves at least one other animal species. The Bible is very clear that God loves all animals, and that starts before the verses you cited about man having dominion over the rest.

My goal is to correct your extremely flawed thinking that just because humans are given dominion and no Scripture supports making them inferior to any other animals God only loves and cares about people. The only way this can be true is if God only created people and their food, not wild animals and pets.

Well you need to use scripture to support this or else it's just your opinion and not Gods word. Telling me my thinking is flawed is an opinion.

Just making emotional accusations like animal hater and things like that doesn't proof your point.

If it's not in scripture it doesn't count and I've shown you how God orders mankind to subdue nature.

Whatever your point is, use scripture to verify it.

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
"Animal advocates"? I'm not necessarily an "animal advocate" per se, i just believe that cruelty, especially of the wanton variety, are just wrong and evil. I believe that being cruel to man or animal is wrong, especially when that one is helpless and has no way or voice to defend or speak up for itself.

Where has anyone done that brinny? I think you're not paying attention and you probably didn't read the OP like a lot of people don't so you are confused on the matter.

It's nice to see you finally show some regard for human well being although I suspect it's just tokenistic and done out of duty.

I'm an advocate for abused, oppressed, and victimized and thus traumatized human beings. This includes being in sync with Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Sophie Scholl and their fight against tyranny that led to the Holocaust.

Perhaps it's because i've suffered victimization myself, and i'm a survivor of abuse..

Regardless, i have always stood against abusing any who cannot defend nor speak up for themselves. When i was seven, i rescued a kitten from a bunch of bigger boys on bikes circling the kitten and abusing, and thus terrifying the kitten.

Wanton abuse and cruelty is heinous, it's evil, and is wrong, whether it's targeting humans or animals.

 

[GodLovesCats]

It does not have to be in Scripture to be true. The Bible does not deny animals go to heaven so assuming that just because it also does not say animals on Earth do go to heaven means they don't go to heaven is wrong. The Bible does say God loves animals and they do not sin, so there is no reason to think they'll go to hell. If they don't go to either heaven or hell, what happens to them?

 

[Daniel C]

It does not have to be in Scripture to be true. The Bible does not deny animals go to heaven so assuming that just because it also does not say animals on Earth do go to heaven means they don't go to heaven is wrong. The Bible does say God loves animals and they do not sin, so there is no reason to think they'll go to hell. If they don't go to either heaven or hell, what happens to them?

Your post is All opinion.

Of course a view doesn't have to come from scripture but if it's not scripture it's not Gods word,if it's not Gods word then it doesn't hold any authority to a Bible believing Christian. And if it doesn't have authority then it can be rejected for something that does have authority,like Gods word.

 

[GodLovesCats]

What part of "The Bible does say God loves animals and they do not sin" is just my opinon? I would not say that if I did not know for a fact the Bible has passages and verses about God loving animals. I would not say that if I did not know only people ate fruit from the Tree of Knowledge.

 

[brinny]

Your post is All opinion.

Of course a view doesn't have to come from scripture but if it's not scripture it's not Gods word,if it's not Gods word then it doesn't hold any authority to a Bible believing Christian. And if it doesn't have authority then it can be rejected for something that does have authority,like Gods word.

Where in God's Word does it say that animals are not in heaven, in the form they were in before the fall?

Why WOULDN'T they be in heaven?

 

[Daniel C]

What part of "The Bible does say God loves animals and they do not sin" is just my opinon?

Quote the scripture for us,that would be helpful.
To be honest I don't know the one you're talking about so that would help me

 

[Daniel C]

Where in God's Word does it say that animals are not in heaven, in the form they were in before the fall?

Why WOULDN'T they be in heaven?

I'm not answering any more of your questions because you didn't answer any of mine and that's not fair.

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
Where in God's Word does it say that animals are not in heaven, in the form they were in before the fall?

Why WOULDN'T they be in heaven?

I'm not answering any more of your questions because you didn't answer any of mine and that's not fair.

Answering the above question(s) would be helpful in supporting your OP.

The bottom line is that our Creator, the living God, DOES love His creatures that He created. Otherwise why would He have created them, and such a delightful variety of them, and why do they delight us?

This video comes to mind. I find it delightful, just like i find God's creatures delightful. His joy is all IN His creation....just like it is written that the heavens declare His handiwork, so is His handiwork in His delightful creatures:

 

[mmksparbud]

Your post is All opinion.

Of course a view doesn't have to come from scripture but if it's not scripture it's not Gods word,if it's not Gods word then it doesn't hold any authority to a Bible believing Christian. And if it doesn't have authority then it can be rejected for something that does have authority,like Gods word.

The people I know who have not liked animals were single, never had one, were frightened of them. In other words---they had very little, if any exposure to love. Anyone who has had a pet knows they offer unconditional love. You can not look into those eyes and not see the adoration they have for you. Unless a person has experienced that---they have not really loved or been loved.
My husband loved me. But he really didn't like animals. The first time I brought home a cat he pitched a fit---it was mine, he would not feed it, he would not take care of it in any way and he didn't want it in his bed. A few months later, the cat got sick---my husband was nearly hysterical and crying! The vet had to kick him out of the exam. room in order to get anything done. As he was leaving the room I said--"I thought you didn't like cats."---He said--"He's not a cat!! He's my buddy!" The cat slept wrapped around his head. He brought home a dog, hubby said he was not allowed on the bed, period. About a month later, hubby could not sleep unless the dog was in bed with him! The dog was asleep on his side of the bed one night. Hubby came in and looked at me and said "What do I do now?"---I'm like, are you kidding? You weigh 260 lbs---she weighs 40--move her!! But she is comfortable---So he wrapped himself very uncomfortable around her, until she finally changed her position! We eventually had 2 dogs and 2 cats. Even with me, he changed. I can honestly say that my husband did not fully learn to love from me, but from 2 dogs and 2 cats. God knew what He was doing when He made the animals.

 

[Daniel C]

Answering the above question(s) would be helpful in supporting your OP. . .

My OP is scripture brinny,scripture is Gods word and is authority to those who believe in him. I explained that I would not answer any questions as you would not answer any. At this point you are just spamming.

 

[brinny]

My OP is scripture brinny,scripture is Gods word and is authority to those who believe in him. I explained that I would not answer any questions as you would not answer any. At this point you are just spamming.

Re: post #69, the questions i asked, and in responding to them, would refute any "animal worship" or anything of the sort.

Regarding the life of God's creatures is not "worshiping" God's creation rather than our Creator.

As a side note: Do not accuse me falsely of something i did not do.

Thank you kindly.

 

[Daniel C]

the questions i asked . . . .

Spam.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I'm not answering any more of your questions because you didn't answer any of mine and that's not fair.

You started this thread for a reason. People don't start threads with no desire to answer questions.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Quote the scripture for us,that would be helpful. To be honest I don't know the one you're talking about so that would help me.

Learn how to read Scripture. It does not have to explicitly say, "God loves animals," to clearly express He does. In fact, His love for animals is crystal clear before the creation of Adam and Eve. I will be happy to quote Scripture if you prove a willingness to understand it without any hint of bias. If you continue to say anti-animal responses to Scripture, it is because you choose to hate animals that are not human. Nobody is putting humans below or at an equal level with any other animals here.

 

[Daniel C]

. . . . Nobody is putting humans below or at an equal level with any other animals here.

Actually they aready have:

"Most animals deserve to live more than most people." Post #6. And I suspect deep down some other animal fanatics feel the same way but they just aren't as candid as that man.

And again,to me, a Bible believing Christian if it's not in scripture it doesn't really matter what name calling or commentary a person comes up with.

 

[GodLovesCats]

OK so ome person said it. The vast majority don't agree.

Knowing God loves animals is not being an animal fanatic. It is knowing how to read what Scripture says. Are you willing to keep an open mind about what pro-animal Bible passages mean if I post them?

 

[Daniel C]

OK so ome person said it. The vast majority don't agree.

Knowing God loves animals is not being an animal fanatic. It is knowing how to read what Scripture says. Are you willing to keep an open mind about what pro-animal Bible passages mean if I post them?

I've invited you several times to post scripture. All scripture is Gods word.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I just wanted to make sure you will not read it from a biased animal-hater POV first because you claimed, erroneously, the horses in heaven are not flesh and blood.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Genesis 1:20-25

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

First we see all of the animals are God's creations. He liked what He made enough to want more of all the species that swim, fly, and move on the ground and blessed every animal.