Animals

[Daniel C]

I am not overriding God. Does any verse in the Bible refer to shepherds as sheep owners? I doubt it.

Great counterargument!

What happened to lambs is they were scarified for the sins of people,because Gods wants it that way-animals are lower than people. And Bulls and doves were scarified for the remission of sin. Gods love for men,women and children far exceeds any interest he may have in nature.

Are animals lower than people for you? How much lower if any?

 

[GodLovesCats]

OTOH God did not tell people to be cruel to animals - to neglect, abuse, and abandon them. They were all specific events in which sacrificing animals served a purpose.

Scientifically, humans are animals. We are really the dominant animal species. So I am never going to say "humans or animals" about anything.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

I am not overriding God. Does any verse in the Bible refer to shepherds as sheep owners? I doubt it.

In Exodus 21:21 even a human slave is regarded as property. Is an animal to be regarded as greater than a human?

 

[GodLovesCats]

We are not slaves. Neither is my cat.

 

[Daniel C]

Was Balaam sinning when he was beating the donkey?

The bottom line is, is it a sin to mis-treat God's creatures?

Why or why not?

If a person is deliberately causing unnecessary harm or distress to animals I would say that's a sin.

You understand that some people believe animals are equal to man and shouldn't even be eaten because they are a creature? That's taking it way too far in my view. Do you think animals are equal to mankind?

The ass was caned for straying off course that the owner wanted to go, but guess what-I am not a donkey expert so I don't know how to ride them or horses.

 

[brinny]

If a person is deliberately causing unnecessary harm or distress to animals I would say that's a sin.

You understand that some people believe animals are equal to man and shouldn't even be eaten because they are a creature? That's taking it way too far in my view. Do you think animals are equal to mankind?

The ass was caned for straying off course that the owner wanted to go, but guess what-I am not a donkey expert so I don't know how to ride them or horses.

The donkey was beaten because Balaam wanted to proceed, disobeying God. The donkey refused to. Therefore Balaam beat the donkey. Balaam was not only disobeying the living God, but he was doubly rebellious because he was trying to beat the donkey into going ahead anyway. There is a REASON that the angel showed up, and the donkey was given a voice.

What was that reason, and what did the donkey say?

By the way, the donkey saw the angel, and therefore stopped. Balaam was DETERMINED to blatantly disobey God, by any means necessary, angel or not.

 

[Daniel C]

The donkey was beaten because Balaam wanted to proceed. . . .

That's what I said. I didn't say he was right I just said he hit the donkey because he gave it instruction and it disobeyed him,so he corrected it with the cane.

You are not answering my question: Is manking more important than animals?

 

[brinny]

That's what I said. I didn't say he right I just said he hit the donkey because he gave it instruction and it disobeyed him,so he corrected it with the cane.

You are not answering my question: Is manking more important than animals?

Did Balaam sin?

 

[GodLovesCats]

Just curious, do you support (human) abortion?

Uh oh, you start this thread by saying right off the bat "forum rules apply" and then blatantly break a rule shortly after. What was that for?

 

[Daniel C]

Did Balaam sin?

I'm not sure I can't remember the exact sequence of events. Obviously defiance against God is a sin.

You are showing your true colours here though,more interested in animal welfare than Gods will or humanity.

 

[Daniel C]

Uh oh, you start this thread by saying right off the bat "forum rules apply" and then blatantly break a rule shortly after. What was that for?

How did I break a forum rule?

 

[brinny]

Regarding animals....man was created in God's image. Animals were not. In particular, it is man who sinned and therefore brought the curse of sin and death on the world, including the animals. The bottom line is that man needed a Savior. Not the animals.

We are to "care" for and "shepherd" the animals we have. We are to, in essence, be kind and compassionate. It is not a matter of man being "superior" or "high and mighty" above the animals.

A "shepherding" heart is the exact opposite of "pride", which is the driving force behind being "better than" and/or "superior" than anything.

What is the bottom line of all sin?

It's "pride".

It's the very thing that was Lucifer's downfall (re-named "Satan", meaning "God's adversary").

 

[brinny]

I'm not sure I can't remember the exact sequence of events. Obviously defiance against God is a sin.

You are showing your true colours here though,more interested in animal welfare than Gods will or humanity.

Was beating the donkey defiance against God?

 

[GodLovesCats]

Mentioning abortion in the wrong forum, that's how.

Anyway, what does abortion have to do with the topic?

 

[GodLovesCats]

So we've spoken about this briefly; a few people stepped up to exhalt animals.

One major problem with all these opposing views: zero scripture to support them.

Not good enough to convince me this is Gods will if it's not Gods word.

Are you sure there is zero supporting Scripture to post, rather than people are just not posting it?

There is definitely Scriptural support for having pets and taking care of them until they die naturally.

 

[Daniel C]

Mentioning abortion in the wrong forum, that's how.

Anyway, what does abortion have to do with the topic?

Well I didn't know that rule, I would like to say two things.

The reason I declare it is the Baptist forum and rules apply is I want a break from works-salvation conversations as it's not allowed to be advocated in the Baptist forum.

The abortion question is to do with a persons view on the value of human life. I observe some people fighting tooth and nail for animal welfare but are happy to have unborn children annihilated. I view this as holding animals higher than humans. Thanks for asking.

 

[Daniel C]

Are you sure there is zero supporting Scripture to post, rather than people are just not posting it?

There is definitely Scriptural support for having pets and taking care of them until they die naturally.

I haven't seen any. If you can find any go ahead and post it.

 

[Daniel C]

Regarding animals....man was created in God's image. Animals were not. In particular, it is man who sinned and therefore brought the curse of sin and death on the world, including the animals. The bottom line is that man needed a Savior. Not the animals.

We are to "care" for and "shepherd" the animals we have. We are to, in essence, be kind and compassionate. It is not a matter of man being "superior" or "high and mighty" above the animals.

A "shepherding" heart is the exact opposite of "pride", which is the driving force behind being "better than" and/or "superior" than anything.

What is the bottom line of all sin?

It's "pride".

It's the very thing that was Lucifer's downfall (re-named "Satan", meaning "God's adversary").

Animals don't have a will so they can't sin. The don't need a saviour because the don't have an eternal soul and will not be going onto the next phase of heaven. This is the reason why God cares for humans so much-we are special in his eyes and have greater plans for us.

 

[brinny]

Animals don't have a will so they can't sin. The don't need a saviour because the don't have an eternal soul and will not be going onto the next phase of heaven. This is the reason why God cares for humans so much-we are special in his eyes and have greater plans for us.

Where is that (any of it) written in God's Word?

 

[GodLovesCats]

One aspect of animal welfare is spaying pregnant cats and dogs. Some people think this is humane so the kittens or puppies don't add to the overpopulation problem. Others will let her whelp no matter what. The idea that pets are valued higher than people is based on what happens after birth because many vets are willing to spay pregnant animals.