Could the fall of morals from the 1960s to now have been avoided?

[Daniel C]

Are human affairs unfolding according to God's plan?

If so, then no, the current state of morality could not have been avoided.

No one knows the ultimate plan of God.

This is not the first time nations have plunged into degeneracy,doesn't mean we can point to God and blame him for the wickedness of mans behavior.

 

[timothyu]

Man's behavior as a result of misuse of the knowledge of good and evil, has been predictable since the Garden. Our unsuitable destruction at our own hand as a result is also a given. No surprise there to those who accept God's will over man's having seen the futility of our ways.

Jesus said there would be those of both sides, world and Kingdom. Situations will ebb and flow. He also said to let the world be, to do it's own thing and not interfere but to help those oppressed by it. Ours is not to have a better life here, but find favour with the Kingdom.

 

[durangodawood]

No one knows the ultimate plan of God.

This is not the first time nations have plunged into degeneracy,doesn't mean we can point to God and blame him for the wickedness of mans behavior.

Doesnt matter whether any of us know the plan or not.

But IF events are unfolding according to his plan, then no, we could not avoid being where we're at. How could it be otherwise?

 

[Daniel C]

Are human affairs unfolding according to God's plan?

If so, then no, the current state of morality could not have been avoided.

You are attempting to associate Gods sovereignty with the vileness around us.

If I say yes, then you assume God blessed the situation. If I say no than God is not the authority.

Well there is another option. God ordains. He will allow things to occur but does give people his blessing or protection. There will be an end times and man turning away from God and toward iniquity is a big part of that.

 

[AvisG]

The intentional homicide rate (per 100,000) is 1.8 in Canada and 5.3 in the USA. The rate in the USA is 294% of Canada's rate ---- hardly "essentially the same".

Sorry, that was the overall crime rate that was not wildly different, although it is a bit lower. Like most Americans. I always get Canada confused with Uganda.

 

[durangodawood]

You are attempting to associate Gods sovereignty with the vileness around us.

If I say yes, then you assume God blessed the situation. If I say no than God is not the authority.

Well there is another option. God ordains. He will allow things to occur but does give people his blessing or protection. There will be an end times and man turning away from God and toward iniquity is a big part of that.

So thing are not playing out according to a plan? If thats correct, then yes absolutely things could be different than they are.

 

[pc_76]

As mentioned I think what may seem like successes in our society of being able to create human life in a test tube, manipulate DNA to eradicate cancer, and the many victories claimed by secularism on rights all come at a cost. They are the result of humans playing God, Satan gaining control and playing God showing his version of good which can fool many. It looks good on the outside but comes at a cost. One persons rights is another persons loss. A gain in technological know how also brings repercussions that could wreck our genomes and nature.

Just like nuclear power is a great source of energy but also something that could completely destroy the earth and people with it. Just like tech makes life much easier and brings more comfort than ever before yet more people are unhappy and want to end their lives or are going mad and are full of hate and rage. It seems everything comes at a cost and the more successes we claim the more costs it brings in one way or another to our planet and well-being.

We are seeing the consequences of past actions that we thought were good causing problems today and we will see more and more problems created in the future from what we think is OK today. We basically cannot get it right because we have a sinful nature and are susceptible to self interest. Money and power is valued above life and this will always lead to ruin.

Basically we are becoming more about self, the me generation. The power to do and be anything and if there is one sin that separates us from God more than anything it is preoccupation with self. This is Satan saying look at me I can do anything God can do.

So the rules of the earth are designed that good and evil is a one-way strert.

 

[pc_76]

That was the whole purpose of expelling us from the Garden. We need to learn from our mistakes. We need to reject the notion we can fix anything or do anything right of our own will, hence God's suggestion we put His will before our own. Our will often runs opposite to that of God, even though we are capable of living by either. As all are guilty there is no separation between the reasonable and the outright evil. We all break the same law of putting our will before God's. Some just take greater advantage of the fact.

Why, God just wants to hide abilities from us and taunt us by his design until one point it is too late?

 

[timothyu]

Why, God just wants to hide abilities from us and taunt us by his design until one point it is too late?

Show me a time when man doesn't take something good and turn it around to serve their own purposes. We can't be trusted.

 

[FireDragon76]

Why, God just wants to hide abilities from us and taunt us by his design until one point it is too late?

The subtext I get in all that is that some Christians value obedience to powerful authority figures above all else, no matter how irrational or crazy they seem to be. That's positively foolish and dangerous.

Also, the naive moralizing is tiresome. The world isn't a black and white place, it's very complicated. Religious mythology often simply glosses over that fact. Some people would rather live within a narrative than be open to experiencing life as it is without the filters of ideology.

 

[FireDragon76]

Show me a time when man doesn't take something good and turn it around to serve their own purposes. We can't be trusted.

Self-defeating logic. If we can't be trusted, why should I trust anything in the Bible, since it was written by human beings?

 

[stevevw]

So the rules of the earth are designed that good and evil is a one-way strert.

I don't understand what you mean, could you elaborate.

 

[timothyu]

Self-defeating logic. If we can't be trusted, why should I trust anything in the Bible, since it was written by human beings?

As I stated we start out with something good and someone will twist it for their own purposes. The scriptures we were given were good but they got twisted into a religion that served the institution rather than the Kingdom.

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you think the relative freefall of morality that started around the 1960s could have been avoided? How in what kind of way?

I also don't believe we should go back to before the 1960s in all ways, but I believe the traditionalists and conservatives have a point sometimes.

Which freefall? As always...I ask for specifics.

 

[pc_76]

Show me a time when man doesn't take something good and turn it around to serve their own purposes. We can't be trusted.

Then if we can't be trusted I feel disillusioned about it. It's like all of us are blamed for something bad or evil.

 

[timothyu]

Then if we can't be trusted I feel disillusioned about it. It's like all of us are blamed for something bad or evil.

I'm speaking of humanity as a whole so no need to feel singled out

 

[loveofourlord]

It's not fair it's so messed up that God punishes or forsakes America because of a certain class of people harmed it and ruined it for us. I hate how messed up it is that things are only "allowed" to go from bad to worse until Jesus returns.

Almost makes me want to die from here right now TBH.

no offense, but if god didn't do that for all the racism, sexism, and slavery and such probably isn't going to now.

 

[loveofourlord]

Sorry, that was the overall crime rate that was not wildly different, although it is a bit lower. Like most Americans. I always get Canada confused with Uganda.

well it's easy they are practically neighbors j/k

 

[ilovechloe]

Do you think the relative freefall of morality that started around the 1960s could have been avoided? How in what kind of way?

I also don't believe we should go back to before the 1960s in all ways, but I believe the traditionalists and conservatives have a point sometimes.

I don't think there was a freefall in human morality since the 60's. I think the freefall in human morality started in 2016 when Trump got elected!

 

[Strathos]

I don't think there was a freefall in human morality since the 60's. I think the freefall in human morality started in 2016 when Trump got elected!

That was the result of a very long buildup of nativist and racist sentiment that started decades beforehand.