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1 John 3:23 says, “This is His commandment: We should believe on the name of the Son Jesus Christ,..."
Is this in the 10?
Is this in the 10?
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I do not believe that not coveting an oxen, has anything to do with love.How do we love one another?
The Ten Commandments
Love GOD first four
Love your neighbor last six
- I am the Lord, your God.
- Thou shall bring no false idols before me.
- Do not take the name of the Lord in vain.
- Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
- Honor thy father and thy mother.
- Thou shall not kill/murder.†
- Thou shall not commit adultery.
- Thou shall not steal.††
- Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
- Thou shall not covet‡ your neighbor's wife (or anything that belongs to your neighbor).
I do not believe that not coveting an oxen, has anything to do with love.
Stealing is a sin, but not stealing something does not imply that you love others.
The whole basis of your interpretation is seriously flawed.
You sir, cannot be a member of the one true church, i.e., the S.D.A. While you continue to contest the idea that honoring the Sabbath is not a moral commandment.I agree. That said, Romans 13:8-10 says that by loving your neighbor, you will automatically not steal, kill, covet, etc. But I think our friend here thinks that loving your neighbor is the equivalent of the 10 (When the Sabbath is not mentioned by Paul in Romans 13). There are other Moral Laws or laws based on God's goodness that are not a part of the 10. There are even Moral Laws in the Torah that are not a part of the 10.
You sir, cannot be a member of the one true church, i.e., the S.D.A. While you continue to contest the idea that honoring the Sabbath is not a moral commandment.
You must hold to the infallible doctrine of the S.D.A. You must also hold to all twenty eight doctrines of the S.D.A, they are infallible doctrines, otherwise, you will be anathema to all who call themselves the S.D.A.
You may no doubt say; let us afflict widows and orphans because that is not one of the ten commandments. You may also say; that loving widows and orphans is the penultimate act of the Christian life. Yet you must hold to the 28 doctrines of the S.D.A. and disregard widows and orphans.
The one true church, the S.D.A. is an infallible church. The interpretation method that the S.D.A exert on the scripture, is the only infallible interpretation of the scripture.Hmmm, I wonder if it is like that. I just believe the Bible as my authority.
Jesus prophesied:I did not say or imply Jesus was to decrease for Paul, I asked if Jesus is the giver of salvation what could Paul possibly add to that apart from simply repeat Jesus' words
He did wish to be listened to, for the sake of Jesus, not himself.also why write extensively if you do not wish to be listened too?
Probably the same reason Mark and Luke wrote their Gospels. The word needed to be spread.Why not let Jesus through the 12 disciples do the talking?
That I absolutely agree with.Jesus was the LAST sacrificial LAMB for mans sin...
Upon his earthly death the temple sacrifice was indeed finished.
The day Sabbath is on never changed, but the day on which the church would meet did change. Fortunately, Gentile Christians outside the borders of Israel are not bound by the Sabbath laws.Correct me if I am wrong but the saturday sabbath was changed by Rome to sunday (solar religion) and saturday is still the correct day to observe the sabbath (friday sundown to saturday sundown).
The one true church, the S.D.A. is an infallible church. The interpretation method that the S.D.A exert on the scripture, is the only infallible interpretation of the scripture.
The eschatology that the S.D.A. promote is an infallible eschatology.
I need you to confess the 28 doctrines of the S.D.A or you will be excommunicated from God's only true church and forever.
Actually, the scripture contains the revelation of Jesus Christ foremost. The entire intent and purpose of the scripture, in the end, is that revelation of Jesus Christ to the world.But in reality, we know that the Bible is the Word of God and the Spirit guides a person into the truth of what it says by comparing Scripture with Scripture.
I agree with what you stated here, and this is not in contradiction to what I stated in my recent post to you.Actually, the scripture contains the revelation of Jesus Christ foremost. The entire intent and purpose of the scripture, in the end, is that revelation of Jesus Christ to the world.
Jesus said in John 5:39, "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me."
Romans 10:9
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Has Daniel, Ch. 2 been fulfilled by Jesus? Revelation Chs. 19-22?Yes, till all is fulfiled. By Jesus.
Of course, it isn't literal. The Bible never seems to mean what it says. Everything is culturally conditioned, merely the opinions of the prophets, or some kind of obscure metaphor. That is, unless it serves as a loophole to allow me to do something I like to do which the Bible says in at least a dozen other places not to do. The heavens and the earth weren't made in six literal days, either, as I understand it. This conveniently renders the Sabbath and the ten commandments impotent, which is good for post-modern, Internet couch Theologians (of any age, by the way), who have to justify their disobedience to God in order to sleep well at night.Or is "heaven and earth" confusing you? It was a common figure of speech in those days. Its not about some literal end of the Universe, if you think so.
One of the beliefs of Ebionites is that they deny the works of Paul as being inspired Scripture. It sounds like you have problems with Paul's writings being inspired Scripture. This to me is a deal breaker in even having a conversation with someone involving the Bible. You either accept all of the Bible, or you don't. If you don't accept the Bible as God's holy Word, then I think it is best we do not discuss the Bible. I believe that one has to accept the Bible as a whole first before they can learn the Bible properly.
A commandment.....with a reward!!Has Daniel, Ch. 2 been fulfilled by Jesus? Revelation Chs. 19-22?
Of course, it isn't literal. The Bible never seems to mean what it says. Everything is culturally conditioned, merely the opinions of the prophets, or some kind of obscure metaphor. That is, unless it serves as a loophole to allow me to do something I like to do which the Bible says in at least a dozen other places not to do. The heavens and the earth weren't made in six literal days, either, as I understand it. This conveniently renders the Sabbath and the ten commandments impotent, which is good for post-modern, Internet couch Theologians (of any age, by the way), who have to justify their disobedience to God in order to sleep well at night.
As long as we simply "love one another" like good little secular humanists, God is happy, right? Even if we despise Him by the worship of our own intellects, our idolatry, vain references to Him, and breaking of His seal--the Day He sanctified, set aside, and made holy (complete with name, title, and territory).
Exodus 20
8Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
How do you love one another by keeping a ceremony on a specific day vs. partaking of this ceremony on another day? What if I chose Wednesday to worship GOD and rest on that day? Would I not be loving my neighbor if I did that vs. resting on Saturday? How would I be not loving my neighbor by not taking a day of rest during one week? What if a believer was preaching the gospel and helping the poor all week? Are they not loving their neighbor then?
I do not believe that not coveting an oxen, has anything to do with love.
Stealing is a sin, but not stealing something does not imply that you love others.
The whole basis of your interpretation is seriously flawed.
1 John 3:23 says, “This is His commandment: We should believe on the name of the Son Jesus Christ,..."
Is this in the 10?
What has Paul got to run away for?
Truth speaks for itself, If there are warnings about false prophets and false dreams and false visions Paul will have to go through the same as ALL the prophets did, all the prophets that were killed in Jerusalem were killed because their message from God was not accepted gladly, but their truth lives on!!
I am unsure about Paul on the basis of understanding his own writing...
I have more questions:
Why did Paul slate James in context of not knowing Jesus as well as he did, even though James was present throughout Jesus' ministry AND being his own brother??
Why did Peter and Paul "go their seperate ways" what happened and why??
Yes I do have problems with Pauls writings because they (to me anyway...) come accross contradictory and very confusing, and the only way I can overcome this is to discuss it with people like yourself who may have more knowledge than I do about the subject of Paul, I hope we can remain in contact here and not give up on the truth?
Do you accept the Gospel of Thomas is inspired?
Thomas first speaks in the Gosepel of John. In John 11:16, when Lazarus had recently died, the apostles do not wish to go back to Judea, where some Jews had attempted to stone Jesus. Thomas says: "Let us also go, that we may die with him.”
Thomas speaks again in John 14:5. There, Jesus had just explained that he was going away to prepare a heavenly home for his followers, and that one day they would join him there. Thomas reacted by saying, "Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?"
John 20:24–29 tells how doubting Thomas was skeptical at first when he heard that Jesus had risen from the dead and appeared to the other apostles, saying, "Except I shall see on his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe." But when Jesus appeared later and invited Thomas to touch his wounds and behold him, Thomas showed his belief by saying, "My Lord and my God". Jesus then said, "Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed."
I am not hiding.
I might have problems with many books of the bible but not without sincere reason (authorship without prophecy etc), God be my judge and the creator of my critical thinking, it does not effect my faith in the living God and with my King Jesus (whom God is pleased with!)