Christian newby questions...

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1 John 3:23 says, “This is His commandment: We should believe on the name of the Son Jesus Christ,..."

Is this in the 10?

 

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Acts 17:30 says, “God… now commands all men everywhere to repent”

Is this in the 10?

 

[klutedavid]

How do we love one another?


The Ten Commandments

Love GOD first four
Love your neighbor last six

1. I am the Lord, your God.
2. Thou shall bring no false idols before me.
3. Do not take the name of the Lord in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
5. Honor thy father and thy mother.
6. Thou shall not kill/murder.†
7. Thou shall not commit adultery.
8. Thou shall not steal.††
9. Thou shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. Thou shall not covet‡ your neighbor's wife (or anything that belongs to your neighbor).

I do not believe that not coveting an oxen, has anything to do with love.

Stealing is a sin, but not stealing something does not imply that you love others.

The whole basis of your interpretation is seriously flawed.

 

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I do not believe that not coveting an oxen, has anything to do with love.

Stealing is a sin, but not stealing something does not imply that you love others.

The whole basis of your interpretation is seriously flawed.

I agree. That said, Romans 13:8-10 says that by loving your neighbor, you will automatically not steal, kill, covet, etc. But I think our friend here thinks that loving your neighbor is the equivalent of the 10 (When the Sabbath is not mentioned by Paul in Romans 13). There are other Moral Laws or laws based on God's goodness in the New Covenant that are not a part of the 10 (like preaching the gospel, loving your enemies, etc.). There are even Moral Laws in the Torah that are not a part of the 10.

 

[klutedavid]

I agree. That said, Romans 13:8-10 says that by loving your neighbor, you will automatically not steal, kill, covet, etc. But I think our friend here thinks that loving your neighbor is the equivalent of the 10 (When the Sabbath is not mentioned by Paul in Romans 13). There are other Moral Laws or laws based on God's goodness that are not a part of the 10. There are even Moral Laws in the Torah that are not a part of the 10.

You sir, cannot be a member of the one true church, i.e., the S.D.A. While you continue to contest the idea that honoring the Sabbath is not a moral commandment.

You must hold to the infallible doctrine of the S.D.A. You must also hold to all twenty eight doctrines of the S.D.A, they are infallible doctrines, otherwise, you will be anathema to all who call themselves the S.D.A.

You may no doubt say; let us afflict widows and orphans because that is not one of the ten commandments. You may also say; that loving widows and orphans is the penultimate act of the Christian life. Yet you must hold to the 28 doctrines of the S.D.A. and disregard widows and orphans.

 

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You sir, cannot be a member of the one true church, i.e., the S.D.A. While you continue to contest the idea that honoring the Sabbath is not a moral commandment.

You must hold to the infallible doctrine of the S.D.A. You must also hold to all twenty eight doctrines of the S.D.A, they are infallible doctrines, otherwise, you will be anathema to all who call themselves the S.D.A.

You may no doubt say; let us afflict widows and orphans because that is not one of the ten commandments. You may also say; that loving widows and orphans is the penultimate act of the Christian life. Yet you must hold to the 28 doctrines of the S.D.A. and disregard widows and orphans.

Hmmm, I wonder if it is like that. I just believe the Bible as my authority.

 

[klutedavid]

Hmmm, I wonder if it is like that. I just believe the Bible as my authority.

The one true church, the S.D.A. is an infallible church. The interpretation method that the S.D.A exert on the scripture, is the only infallible interpretation of the scripture.

The eschatology that the S.D.A. promote is an infallible eschatology.

I need you to confess the 28 doctrines of the S.D.A or you will be excommunicated from God's only true church and forever.

 

[Sketcher]

I did not say or imply Jesus was to decrease for Paul, I asked if Jesus is the giver of salvation what could Paul possibly add to that apart from simply repeat Jesus' words

Jesus prophesied:

"I have much more to tell you, but now it would be too much for you to bear.
When, however, the Spirit comes, who reveals the truth about God, he will lead you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own authority, but he will speak of what he hears and will tell you of things to come. He will give me glory, because he will take what I say and tell it to you." - John 16:12-15​

also why write extensively if you do not wish to be listened too?

He did wish to be listened to, for the sake of Jesus, not himself.

Why not let Jesus through the 12 disciples do the talking?

Probably the same reason Mark and Luke wrote their Gospels. The word needed to be spread.

Jesus was the LAST sacrificial LAMB for mans sin...
Upon his earthly death the temple sacrifice was indeed finished.

That I absolutely agree with.

Correct me if I am wrong but the saturday sabbath was changed by Rome to sunday (solar religion) and saturday is still the correct day to observe the sabbath (friday sundown to saturday sundown).

The day Sabbath is on never changed, but the day on which the church would meet did change. Fortunately, Gentile Christians outside the borders of Israel are not bound by the Sabbath laws.

 

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The one true church, the S.D.A. is an infallible church. The interpretation method that the S.D.A exert on the scripture, is the only infallible interpretation of the scripture.

The eschatology that the S.D.A. promote is an infallible eschatology.

I need you to confess the 28 doctrines of the S.D.A or you will be excommunicated from God's only true church and forever.

But in reality, we know that the Bible is the Word of God and the Spirit guides a person into the truth of what it says by comparing Scripture with Scripture.

 

[klutedavid]

But in reality, we know that the Bible is the Word of God and the Spirit guides a person into the truth of what it says by comparing Scripture with Scripture.

Actually, the scripture contains the revelation of Jesus Christ foremost. The entire intent and purpose of the scripture, in the end, is that revelation of Jesus Christ to the world.

Jesus said in John 5:39, "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me."

Romans 10:9
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

After these two premier declarations of Jesus Christ to all humanity and the good news delivered by the apostles.

Now let the various interpretations, Christian history, and the theological departments, take over, and tell you good and hard what really is important to God.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Actually, the scripture contains the revelation of Jesus Christ foremost. The entire intent and purpose of the scripture, in the end, is that revelation of Jesus Christ to the world.

Jesus said in John 5:39, "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me."

Romans 10:9
Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

I agree with what you stated here, and this is not in contradiction to what I stated in my recent post to you.

 

[D.A. Wright]

Yes, till all is fulfiled. By Jesus.

Has Daniel, Ch. 2 been fulfilled by Jesus? Revelation Chs. 19-22?

Or is "heaven and earth" confusing you? It was a common figure of speech in those days. Its not about some literal end of the Universe, if you think so.

Of course, it isn't literal. The Bible never seems to mean what it says. Everything is culturally conditioned, merely the opinions of the prophets, or some kind of obscure metaphor. That is, unless it serves as a loophole to allow me to do something I like to do which the Bible says in at least a dozen other places not to do. The heavens and the earth weren't made in six literal days, either, as I understand it. This conveniently renders the Sabbath and the ten commandments impotent, which is good for post-modern, Internet couch Theologians (of any age, by the way), who have to justify their disobedience to God in order to sleep well at night.

As long as we simply "love one another" like good little secular humanists, God is happy, right? Even if we despise Him by the worship of our own intellects, our idolatry, vain references to Him, and breaking of His seal--the Day He sanctified, set aside, and made holy (complete with name, title, and territory).

Exodus 20
8Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

What really works well for me is calling sin by its right name, even when it's me who's doing it. That way I can turn to Jesus (Does anybody remember Him?) for forgiveness, trust in His promise to do it, and then sleep really well at night (another popular figure of speech). Just sayin'.

Genesis, Ch. 3
11And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”
12The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”
13Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

God didn't really mean that it was forbidden to eat of the tree in the midst of the garden, did He?

 

[Another_uniqueUsername]

One of the beliefs of Ebionites is that they deny the works of Paul as being inspired Scripture. It sounds like you have problems with Paul's writings being inspired Scripture. This to me is a deal breaker in even having a conversation with someone involving the Bible. You either accept all of the Bible, or you don't. If you don't accept the Bible as God's holy Word, then I think it is best we do not discuss the Bible. I believe that one has to accept the Bible as a whole first before they can learn the Bible properly.

What has Paul got to run away for?
Truth speaks for itself, If there are warnings about false prophets and false dreams and false visions Paul will have to go through the same as ALL the prophets did, all the prophets that were killed in Jerusalem were killed because their message from God was not accepted gladly, but their truth lives on!!
I am unsure about Paul on the basis of understanding his own writing...

I have more questions:

Why did Paul slate James in context of not knowing Jesus as well as he did, even though James was present throughout Jesus' ministry AND being his own brother??

Why did Peter and Paul "go their seperate ways" what happened and why??

Yes I do have problems with Pauls writings because they (to me anyway...) come accross contradictory and very confusing, and the only way I can overcome this is to discuss it with people like yourself who may have more knowledge than I do about the subject of Paul, I hope we can remain in contact here and not give up on the truth?

Do you accept the Gospel of Thomas is inspired?

Thomas first speaks in the Gosepel of John. In John 11:16, when Lazarus had recently died, the apostles do not wish to go back to Judea, where some Jews had attempted to stone Jesus. Thomas says: "Let us also go, that we may die with him.”

Thomas speaks again in John 14:5. There, Jesus had just explained that he was going away to prepare a heavenly home for his followers, and that one day they would join him there. Thomas reacted by saying, "Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?"

John 20:24–29 tells how doubting Thomas was skeptical at first when he heard that Jesus had risen from the dead and appeared to the other apostles, saying, "Except I shall see on his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe." But when Jesus appeared later and invited Thomas to touch his wounds and behold him, Thomas showed his belief by saying, "My Lord and my God". Jesus then said, "Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed."

I am not hiding.
I might have problems with many books of the bible but not without sincere reason (authorship without prophecy etc), God be my judge and the creator of my critical thinking, it does not effect my faith in the living God and with my King Jesus (whom God is pleased with!)

 

[Another_uniqueUsername]

Has Daniel, Ch. 2 been fulfilled by Jesus? Revelation Chs. 19-22?

Of course, it isn't literal. The Bible never seems to mean what it says. Everything is culturally conditioned, merely the opinions of the prophets, or some kind of obscure metaphor. That is, unless it serves as a loophole to allow me to do something I like to do which the Bible says in at least a dozen other places not to do. The heavens and the earth weren't made in six literal days, either, as I understand it. This conveniently renders the Sabbath and the ten commandments impotent, which is good for post-modern, Internet couch Theologians (of any age, by the way), who have to justify their disobedience to God in order to sleep well at night.

As long as we simply "love one another" like good little secular humanists, God is happy, right? Even if we despise Him by the worship of our own intellects, our idolatry, vain references to Him, and breaking of His seal--the Day He sanctified, set aside, and made holy (complete with name, title, and territory).

Exodus 20
8Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

A commandment.....with a reward!!

Isaiah 58:13
The Lord says, “If you treat the Sabbath as sacred and do not pursue your own interests on that day; if you value my holy day and honor it by not traveling, working, or talking idly on that day, then you will find the joy that comes from serving me. I will make you honored all over the world, and you will enjoy the land I gave to your ancestor, Jacob. I, theLord, have spoken"

Now I don't know about you but I honestly cannot think of a lighter yoke to bare than staying at home, reading God's word in the warm comfort of your home in silence?
Compare with how many Acts and Statutes parliamentary-man makes, repeals and the harm they cause!

 

[Original Happy Camper]

How do you love one another by keeping a ceremony on a specific day vs. partaking of this ceremony on another day? What if I chose Wednesday to worship GOD and rest on that day? Would I not be loving my neighbor if I did that vs. resting on Saturday? How would I be not loving my neighbor by not taking a day of rest during one week? What if a believer was preaching the gospel and helping the poor all week? Are they not loving their neighbor then?

off topic of this thread

Start another thread

 

[Original Happy Camper]

We should care about lost souls to tell them the truth

First we must have the truth.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

I do not believe that not coveting an oxen, has anything to do with love.

Stealing is a sin, but not stealing something does not imply that you love others.

The whole basis of your interpretation is seriously flawed.

OK now you define love

 

[Original Happy Camper]

1 John 3:23 says, “This is His commandment: We should believe on the name of the Son Jesus Christ,..."

Is this in the 10?

YES #1 of the ten

 

[Bible Highlighter]

@Original Happy Camper

Not here to convince you of what I believe the Bible says plainly.
Only God gives the increase.
Anyways, while there is always a certain level of "belief" (or faith) in everything that GOD desires of us by His Word (Scripture), to believe in the LORD is not the same as to worship the LORD.
Believe generally denotes to trust in Him for salvation, and worship of the LORD involves adoration and praise and giving glory to Him, etc.; Just do a study on the word "believe" in the New Testament, and then do a study on the word "worship" in the NT. You will see two different words being described and not the same thing.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What has Paul got to run away for?
Truth speaks for itself, If there are warnings about false prophets and false dreams and false visions Paul will have to go through the same as ALL the prophets did, all the prophets that were killed in Jerusalem were killed because their message from God was not accepted gladly, but their truth lives on!!
I am unsure about Paul on the basis of understanding his own writing...

I have more questions:

Why did Paul slate James in context of not knowing Jesus as well as he did, even though James was present throughout Jesus' ministry AND being his own brother??

Why did Peter and Paul "go their seperate ways" what happened and why??

Yes I do have problems with Pauls writings because they (to me anyway...) come accross contradictory and very confusing, and the only way I can overcome this is to discuss it with people like yourself who may have more knowledge than I do about the subject of Paul, I hope we can remain in contact here and not give up on the truth?

Do you accept the Gospel of Thomas is inspired?

Thomas first speaks in the Gosepel of John. In John 11:16, when Lazarus had recently died, the apostles do not wish to go back to Judea, where some Jews had attempted to stone Jesus. Thomas says: "Let us also go, that we may die with him.”

Thomas speaks again in John 14:5. There, Jesus had just explained that he was going away to prepare a heavenly home for his followers, and that one day they would join him there. Thomas reacted by saying, "Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?"

John 20:24–29 tells how doubting Thomas was skeptical at first when he heard that Jesus had risen from the dead and appeared to the other apostles, saying, "Except I shall see on his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe." But when Jesus appeared later and invited Thomas to touch his wounds and behold him, Thomas showed his belief by saying, "My Lord and my God". Jesus then said, "Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed."

I am not hiding.
I might have problems with many books of the bible but not without sincere reason (authorship without prophecy etc), God be my judge and the creator of my critical thinking, it does not effect my faith in the living God and with my King Jesus (whom God is pleased with!)

If you have a problem with Paul's writings as inspired Scripture you are not allowed to post in any of the "Christians Only" sections of the forums here at CF. According to ChristianForums (CF) statement of faith:

"Challenging Paul's position as an Apostle of Jesus Christ who (although not one of the original twelve) was sent forth by Christ after his conversion [Acts 9:15-16], or arguing against the inclusion of Paul's writings in the New Testament canon, is not allowed in any "Christians Only" forums (including the Controversial Christian Theology forum). You may disagree on the interpretation and application of his writings, but not their place as canon or Paul as an inspired author of Scripture."​

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